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Title: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: cakebet on November 10, 2014, 05:44:55 AM
http://blog.cakebet.com/?p=2439


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: smoothie on November 10, 2014, 06:03:02 AM
so the answer to your subject line is....<COPY><PASTE>

lol :D :D :D


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: TaunSew on November 10, 2014, 06:04:43 AM
Yeah that article been circulating on Reddit.

I don't think they understand that you can't FUD Litecoin in english language as most Litecoin users are people in China who don't even read Bitcointalk or english-speaking Reddit.


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: junglecat on November 10, 2014, 06:45:06 AM
The only FUD litecoin knows originates from China. This is english FUD and not worth .001 LTC.  8)


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: devphp on November 10, 2014, 07:24:56 AM
Easy. Because silver metal has unique properties that gold doesn't have, both are valued. Litecoin doesn't have unique properties compared to Bitcoin (no, tweaking a few parameters doesn't make it unique), it won't survive. "Litecoin is silver to Bitcoin's gold" was a short-term marketing ploy for the uneducated. Doge has a chance to gain some of Bitcoin's market share, because it has been unique in marketing, that is its non-technical unique property, but only if it persists in pushing itself to new markets.

Then there is a bunch of crypto 2.0 technologies with unique to Bitcoin properties, but they are beyond the scope of this thread.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2D8OJWIAAAvJvF.jpg:large


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: snappa4ever on November 10, 2014, 07:43:46 AM
Only time will tell but Litecoin is the 2nd well known crypto.


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: michaellanthros on November 10, 2014, 07:48:31 AM
Only time will tell but Litecoin is the 2nd well known crypto.

Exactly, Litecoin is valuable to the scrypt miners at least and is the second most known crypto. I don't know why people think there can only be one crypto out there with value.


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: e-coinomist on November 10, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
Exactly, Litecoin is valuable to the scrypt miners at least and is the second most known crypto. I don't know why people think there can only be one crypto out there with value.

... and why they all gather in Bitcoin Forum > Other > Alternate cryptocurrencies is another unsolveable mystery!

Anyways, my 1st prediction of Scrypt ASICS introducing a similar development as seen from SHA256 ASICS has proven wrong. Conclusion: Mining is not the main influence factor for value


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: Booth on November 10, 2014, 12:01:56 PM
Only time will tell but Litecoin is the 2nd well known crypto.

Exactly, Litecoin is valuable to the scrypt miners at least and is the second most known crypto. I don't know why people think there can only be one crypto out there with value.

litecoin brings nothing new that bitcoin doesn't
thats why litecoin is just another shitcoin



Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: Karabel on November 10, 2014, 12:08:32 PM
Only time will tell but Litecoin is the 2nd well known crypto.

Exactly, Litecoin is valuable to the scrypt miners at least and is the second most known crypto. I don't know why people think there can only be one crypto out there with value.

litecoin brings nothing new that bitcoin doesn't
thats why litecoin is just another shitcoin



Unfortunately you are right. There is many of new coin witch is much better than litecoin. Sad but true :(


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: kelsey on November 10, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Only time will tell but Litecoin is the 2nd well known crypto.

Exactly, Litecoin is valuable to the scrypt miners at least and is the second most known crypto. I don't know why people think there can only be one crypto out there with value.

litecoin brings nothing new that bitcoin doesn't
thats why litecoin is just another shitcoin



What about a non anon dev, btc anon dev may add abit of character to the story but when it comes to real world adoption tis a huge negative.

With the 101 scams run on this forum most alts are becoming a huge joke. pretty much anyone whos not playin these scams is defaulting back to litecoin as the 'alt' to bitcoin and fiat.


Litecoin doesn't need to be the silver to anything it has merits on its own.

Why are these litcoin FUD threads always field up with newbie accounts  ::)

And why are you guys always so concerned with the fate of litecoin, the holders aren't  ;)


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: Come-In-Behind on November 10, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
Yeah that article been circulating on Reddit.

I don't think they understand that you can't FUD Litecoin in english language as most Litecoin users are people in China who don't even read Bitcointalk or english-speaking Reddit.


To be fair, that's not necessarily true. A lot of litecoin's volume on those Chinese exchanges are thought to be faked. I myself believe they are as well. For EX: Okcoin has 0 trading fees, so users may just put up bots and have them trade back and forth, thus creating fake volume for LTC markets. Litecoin's low marketcap and "high" trading volume just don't add up, especially since BTC is many times LTC's marketcap, but not near the same amount of volume, ratio wise.


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: Come-In-Behind on November 10, 2014, 01:11:38 PM
Easy. Because silver metal has unique properties that gold doesn't have, both are valued. Litecoin doesn't have unique properties compared to Bitcoin (no, tweaking a few parameters doesn't make it unique), it won't survive. "Litecoin is silver to Bitcoin's gold" was a short-term marketing ploy for the uneducated. Doge has a chance to gain some of Bitcoin's market share, because it has been unique in marketing, that is its non-technical unique property, but only if it persists in pushing itself to new markets.

Then there is a bunch of crypto 2.0 technologies with unique to Bitcoin properties, but they are beyond the scope of this thread.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2D8OJWIAAAvJvF.jpg:large

Interesting comparison, Lol


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: kelsey on November 10, 2014, 01:13:31 PM
Yeah that article been circulating on Reddit.

I don't think they understand that you can't FUD Litecoin in english language as most Litecoin users are people in China who don't even read Bitcointalk or english-speaking Reddit.


To be fair, that's not necessarily true. A lot of litecoin's volume on those Chinese exchanges are thought to be faked. I myself believe they are as well. For EX: Okcoin has 0 trading fees, so users may just put up bots and have them trade back and forth, thus creating fake volume for LTC markets. Litecoin's low marketcap and "high" trading volume just don't add up, especially since BTC is many times LTC's marketcap, but not near the same amount of volume, ratio wise.

Thats not exactly fake volume though, its exactly what happens on stockmarkets as well, same parcels of shares traded back and forth, tis called daytrading.

Most my tradings done in ltc on chinese exchanges, I often rack up large volumes of trades in a day (so I find chinese exchange data believable), but yeah its the same coins back and forth.


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: Stinky_Pete on November 10, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2D8OJWIAAAvJvF.jpg:large

Where can I trade in Stone? It's going to da moooon!


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: devphp on November 10, 2014, 01:18:35 PM
Where can I trade in Stone? It's going to da moooon!

No, it doesn't even have a blockchain, meh ;)


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: STT on November 10, 2014, 02:10:46 PM
Thats not exactly fake volume though, its exactly what happens on stockmarkets as well, same parcels of shares traded back and forth, tis called daytrading.

Most my tradings done in ltc on chinese exchanges, I often rack up large volumes of trades in a day (so I find chinese exchange data believable), but yeah its the same coins back and forth.

High volume trading provides liquidity and price stability for the general consumer, some exchanges pay their participants for their involvement.  I dont know if that applies to LTC but China does not have a free currency and it is constantly diluted to keep it fixed to the dollar which would make large holders perhaps look for alternatives certainly litecoin has less paper work and probably faster to send.
I wouldnt say its without features cause bitcoin itself is not especially well stocked, it moves faster and I guess its possible that the cheaper unit is more preferable for some.  China has alot more claim to cryptocurrency then us as we can send or use any global currency we want


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: michaellanthros on November 10, 2014, 02:39:33 PM
Only time will tell but Litecoin is the 2nd well known crypto.

Exactly, Litecoin is valuable to the scrypt miners at least and is the second most known crypto. I don't know why people think there can only be one crypto out there with value.

litecoin brings nothing new that bitcoin doesn't
thats why litecoin is just another shitcoin


It brings investment value, like it or not many people have made money investing in Litecoin.


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: omega33 on November 10, 2014, 02:49:33 PM
Litecoin was lucky to be at the right place at the right time.
Back when litecoin was create, there were not much competition. Now look at the altcoin market, there are tons of altcoins around.
Litecoin won't stand a chance now.


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: cakebet on December 16, 2014, 12:20:12 AM
It's going to be interesting to see which ones are still alive in a few years.  It's taken Bitcoin a while to become as trusted as it is today.

Litecoin was lucky to be at the right place at the right time.
Back when litecoin was create, there were not much competition. Now look at the altcoin market, there are tons of altcoins around.
Litecoin won't stand a chance now.


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: TheMage on December 16, 2014, 03:50:10 AM
Easy. Because silver metal has unique properties that gold doesn't have, both are valued. Litecoin doesn't have unique properties compared to Bitcoin (no, tweaking a few parameters doesn't make it unique), it won't survive. "Litecoin is silver to Bitcoin's gold" was a short-term marketing ploy for the uneducated. Doge has a chance to gain some of Bitcoin's market share, because it has been unique in marketing, that is its non-technical unique property, but only if it persists in pushing itself to new markets.

Then there is a bunch of crypto 2.0 technologies with unique to Bitcoin properties, but they are beyond the scope of this thread.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2D8OJWIAAAvJvF.jpg:large


Well if you are going to steal something, you should give credit to those you stole it from (Feathercoin people  ::) ).

BTW arent you a shibe? You do realize that a few LTC folks, including myself, worked hard to ensure that AUXPoW was transitioned without issues (logistics of contacting pools and exchanges to get them aware and on board with the fork).


Exactly, Litecoin is valuable to the scrypt miners at least and is the second most known crypto. I don't know why people think there can only be one crypto out there with value.

... and why they all gather in Bitcoin Forum > Other > Alternate cryptocurrencies is another unsolveable mystery!

Anyways, my 1st prediction of Scrypt ASICS introducing a similar development as seen from SHA256 ASICS has proven wrong. Conclusion: Mining is not the main influence factor for value


I believe an answer would be that the trolls gather in Bitcoin Forum > Other > Alternate cryptocurrencies, Litecoin has www.Litecointalk.org as well as /r/Litecoin. Plus the fact that there are many folks that utilize LTC as a second investment and have BTC as their main.

The value is much more complex than a simple introduction of asics into the scrypt environment. A much larger factor is the inherent trading partner Litecoin provides to Bitcoin, much stronger than any other coin. No matter who states it (cough barry silbert), Litecoin can not escape the death grip of being tied to bitcoin. This is mainly why the price has slumped, because Bitcoin has slumped.


Litecoin was lucky to be at the right place at the right time.
Back when litecoin was create, there were not much competition. Now look at the altcoin market, there are tons of altcoins around.
Litecoin won't stand a chance now.

I dont argue that one bit! As a matter of fact, Bitcoin was lucky to be in the right place at the right time as well. Although Litecoin has over 3 years now of trust compared to the 2 month old alts. Say what you want about how that isnt important, but it seems every other day we are finding out about some shady dev or a pump group crippling a coin. Bring on the innovations, and right behind them you have a scammy pump master waiting to grease his dirty palms with more and more money (Bobsurplus anyone?).




In conclusion I leave everyone here with this, it was a response to someone over PMs about Litecoin.

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You need to think of it this way, Litecoin is really in a league of its own. It's not the sexiest coin, and it doesnt blow the lid off of other alts, but Litecoin has something that only Bitcoin has, which is trust and age.


When I say league of it's own its like this, Litecoin is now 3 years old. Back 3 years ago (I think you were around, I was not), there wasn't all this innovation happening. Release it today, even with no pre-mine, no IPO/ICO, weeks ahead of time preparation for people to know it will be released, and it will A. go no where and B. most likely be called a scam anyways.

There is only really 1 other coin in the same boat as Litecoin with the above mentioned, Bitcoin. This is why Litecoin is not just another alt, its the Bitcoin of alts. :)


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: HCLivess on December 16, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Opened the URL, seen the random subjective self-chosen categories, closed the tab


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: Eastwind on December 16, 2014, 06:15:45 PM
There is not much development in LTC. That is the main problem.


Title: Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver
Post by: e-coinomist on December 17, 2014, 02:10:10 AM
There is not much development in LTC. That is the main problem.
Which probably caused that market correction from 0.030 down below 0.009 as of today. 15th of May going on to 15th of August was that period when 2/3 of Litecoin's value got destroyed.

Now since August it is looking stable again. That is of course no good news for Litecoin HODLers, but makes me wounder if it is a safe bet now to buy a used Scrypt ASIC and start mining.