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Title: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Hyena on November 13, 2014, 11:19:47 AM
I've been expecting this since June/July 2014 but it took a bit longer than I thought. Perhaps the ongoing parabolic rise also lasts a bit longer than everyone expects? :D Anyway, this is massively bullish indicator but first we need a couple of more dots on the chart confirming it. As always, the next few weeks are critical.

I have drawn some imaginary pSar indicator dots to the below chart to visualize the future prices.
http://s8.postimg.org/na539cg7p/BTC_p_Sar.png


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: SlaveInDebt on November 13, 2014, 11:27:18 AM
http://i58.tinypic.com/o8b1gi.jpg


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: seleme on November 13, 2014, 11:44:48 AM
Not on Tradingview charts yet.


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: oda.krell on November 13, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
Jup. One of the many long-term momentum signals that just flipped. Some fired a bit earlier (*wink*), some a bit later into the rise, but they flipped. Always a chance it's a false breakout of course, but based on how they performed in the past, the interpretation is that the mid-term bottom is in at 275.


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: podyx on November 13, 2014, 12:39:41 PM
Jup. One of the many long-term momentum signals that just flipped. Some fired a bit earlier (*wink*), some a bit later into the rise, but they flipped. Always a chance it's a false breakout of course, but based on how they performed in the past, the interpretation is that the mid-term bottom is in at 275.

You think we'll go below 400 ever again?


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: sgbett on November 13, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
DAT RSI!!!


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: oda.krell on November 13, 2014, 12:59:35 PM
Jup. One of the many long-term momentum signals that just flipped. Some fired a bit earlier (*wink*), some a bit later into the rise, but they flipped. Always a chance it's a false breakout of course, but based on how they performed in the past, the interpretation is that the mid-term bottom is in at 275.

You think we'll go below 400 ever again?

Below 400 as in something like 390, maybe 380: possible. A really painful drop, say, low 300s: I have no idea (no tradeable idea, at least). Ask the EW guys, they like to answer stuff like that :D

In very vague terms, I can see the following scenarios: we are leaving the "local" (i.e. July/August to now) bear market, without revisiting where we started (sub-400), or we can leave it, but see one more serious dip (possibly all the way to 300). Or, of course, we could also fail to leave it and make a new low before getting to, say, 500 even - but that possibility I consider rather unlikely as of today. Plus, the first two scenarios above each combine with the outcome of the "global" bear market (since December 2013): either the long-term trend is indeed up from now on (until it reaches a new ATH), or the rally goes on for a while, but turns sour before a new ATH (e.g. the June/July picture).


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: podyx on November 13, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
Jup. One of the many long-term momentum signals that just flipped. Some fired a bit earlier (*wink*), some a bit later into the rise, but they flipped. Always a chance it's a false breakout of course, but based on how they performed in the past, the interpretation is that the mid-term bottom is in at 275.

You think we'll go below 400 ever again?

Below 400 as in something like 390, maybe 380: possible. A really painful drop, say, low 300s: I have no idea (no tradeable idea, at least). Ask the EW guys, they like to answer stuff like that :D

In very vague terms, I can see the following scenarios: we are leaving the "local" (i.e. July/August to now) bear market, without revisiting where we started (sub-400), or we can leave it, but see one more serious dip (possibly all the way to 300). Or, of course, we could also fail to leave it and make a new low before getting to, say, 500 even - but that possibility I consider rather unlikely as of today. Plus, the first two scenarios above each combine with the outcome of the "global" bear market (since December 2013): either the long-term trend is indeed up from now on (until it reaches a new ATH), or the rally goes on for a while, but turns sour before a new ATH (e.g. the June/July picture).

Thanks! :)


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: ssmc2 on November 13, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
Man, this combined with Luc's Historical 3 possibility is better than any drug I can think of at this point  ;D


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: belmonty on November 13, 2014, 02:53:16 PM
What does Weekly Parabolic SAR mean in layman's terms?


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: ask on November 13, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Also Bitfinex's Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side:

https://i.imgur.com/MrXfsOX.png



Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: spiderbrain on November 13, 2014, 11:33:52 PM
looking good.


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Capt Drake on November 14, 2014, 01:47:13 PM
Looking at the RSI is extremely reverse diverged and it's very bullish signal since it maybe make higher highs. lol  :D  ;D


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Pruden on November 14, 2014, 02:38:48 PM
I've been expecting this since June/July 2014 but it took a bit longer than I thought. Perhaps the ongoing parabolic rise also lasts a bit longer than everyone expects? :D Anyway, this is massively bullish indicator but first we need a couple of more dots on the chart confirming it. As always, the next few weeks are critical.

I have drawn some imaginary pSar indicator dots to the below chart to visualize the future prices.
http://s8.postimg.org/na539cg7p/BTC_p_Sar.png
Boy, what a throwback to Summer last year when you wrote something just like this... I'm not complaining! ;D


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: alexeft on November 14, 2014, 02:51:04 PM
.........

Nice observation!!


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Trolololo on November 14, 2014, 03:30:20 PM
Very interesting, Hyena.

I have linked this thread, and quoted your OP, in the rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.5860).


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Hyena on November 14, 2014, 03:54:51 PM
Boy, what a throwback to Summer last year when you wrote something just like this... I'm not complaining! ;D

Exactly! :D Good to see that someone remembers it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253856.0
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.postimg.org%2F4awyfmarl%2Fchart.png&t=546&c=Y9DI6ZILWQVBMw


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: ask on November 14, 2014, 04:02:15 PM
Boy, what a throwback to Summer last year when you wrote something just like this... I'm not complaining! ;D

Exactly! :D Good to see that someone remembers it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253856.0
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.postimg.org%2F4awyfmarl%2Fchart.png&t=546&c=Y9DI6ZILWQVBMw


Yes.

I am often asking myself what is wrong with most of people - are they stupid or they have just short memory. But I don't want to change them. I want their money :)


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: atleticofa on November 14, 2014, 07:59:37 PM
This is exciting  :)


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Wilhelm on November 14, 2014, 08:04:53 PM
Looking at EMA 9 and EMA 20 it also shows a positive trend.
I've entered a long position hoping on getting in before the major rise  8)


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: ask on November 14, 2014, 08:18:26 PM
Looking at EMA 9 and EMA 20 it also shows a positive trend.
I've entered a long position hoping on getting in before the major rise  8)

You are not alone.  8)


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Melbustus on November 14, 2014, 08:27:57 PM
...
I am often asking myself what is wrong with most of people - are they stupid or they have just short memory.
...


That's often the same thing: lack of vision, both into the future, and into the past. Much of human intelligence is the ability to predict, and logically use information about the past to project the future. Other animals live in the moment, mentally extending only very minimally into either the past or future. Some humans are like that too.


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Hyena on November 16, 2014, 08:21:19 PM
We got the second dot...

http://s30.postimg.org/5vfxwfuld/chart_png_width_940_m_bitstamp_USD_Submit_Button_D.png


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: ask on November 16, 2014, 08:27:48 PM
+1


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Wexlike on November 16, 2014, 09:27:02 PM
Why is my SAR broken ?

https://i.imgur.com/xlVAr8S.jpg


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: ShawnP on November 16, 2014, 09:59:53 PM
Why is my SAR broken ?

https://i.imgur.com/xlVAr8S.jpg
Because bitcoincharts is missing almost 1 month of data.
https://i.imgur.com/2yCG22w.png


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: akujin on November 16, 2014, 10:02:55 PM
shooting star!  ;D


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: akujin on November 16, 2014, 10:11:17 PM
Could anyone tell me what caused the pump last year? Was there any good news that time or someone just decided to pump?
I wasn't here when that happened  ;D


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: podyx on November 16, 2014, 10:15:42 PM
Could anyone tell me what caused the pump last year? Was there any good news that time or someone just decided to pump?
I wasn't here when that happened  ;D

We can only speculate

The most common theories are, for the 266 april 2013 bubble, that cyprus entered the market and the most common theory for the pump last year is the willy bot and chinese entering


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: akujin on November 16, 2014, 10:26:30 PM
Could anyone tell me what caused the pump last year? Was there any good news that time or someone just decided to pump?
I wasn't here when that happened  ;D

We can only speculate

The most common theories are, for the 266 april 2013 bubble, that cyprus entered the market and the most common theory for the pump last year is the willy bot and chinese entering
So, no news after the SR crash on oct.? Just willy silently pumping the price and traders panic buying?


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: podyx on November 16, 2014, 10:28:23 PM
Could anyone tell me what caused the pump last year? Was there any good news that time or someone just decided to pump?
I wasn't here when that happened  ;D

We can only speculate

The most common theories are, for the 266 april 2013 bubble, that cyprus entered the market and the most common theory for the pump last year is the willy bot and chinese entering
So, no news after the SR crash on oct.? Just willy silently pumping the price and traders panic buying?

precisely


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: akujin on November 16, 2014, 10:36:06 PM
Could anyone tell me what caused the pump last year? Was there any good news that time or someone just decided to pump?
I wasn't here when that happened  ;D

We can only speculate

The most common theories are, for the 266 april 2013 bubble, that cyprus entered the market and the most common theory for the pump last year is the willy bot and chinese entering
So, no news after the SR crash on oct.? Just willy silently pumping the price and traders panic buying?

precisely
I can't believe it went up that high without anyone knowing what's causing it ;D


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: bassclef on November 16, 2014, 10:53:27 PM
Could anyone tell me what caused the pump last year? Was there any good news that time or someone just decided to pump?
I wasn't here when that happened  ;D

We can only speculate

The most common theories are, for the 266 april 2013 bubble, that cyprus entered the market and the most common theory for the pump last year is the willy bot and chinese entering
So, no news after the SR crash on oct.? Just willy silently pumping the price and traders panic buying?

precisely

No, Willy was not a major reason. This is like the 40000th time I've seen this theory. It was the Chinese.


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: podyx on November 16, 2014, 10:56:21 PM

I can't believe it went up that high without anyone knowing what's causing it ;D


That's why it's called the honeybadger ;)


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: atleticofa on November 17, 2014, 12:46:18 AM
Could anyone tell me what caused the pump last year? Was there any good news that time or someone just decided to pump?
I wasn't here when that happened  ;D

We can only speculate

The most common theories are, for the 266 april 2013 bubble, that cyprus entered the market and the most common theory for the pump last year is the willy bot and chinese entering
So, no news after the SR crash on oct.? Just willy silently pumping the price and traders panic buying?

precisely

No, Willy was not a major reason. This is like the 40000th time I've seen this theory. It was the Chinese.

What about this? http://www.zerohedge.com/node/488930


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: spiderbrain on November 17, 2014, 01:08:58 AM
I can't believe it went up that high without anyone knowing what's causing it ;D

Welcome to bitcoin :)


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: atleticofa on November 17, 2014, 01:13:45 AM
https://i.imgur.com/ohMr5QH.png

Parabolic SAR with just 0.01 step

Bullish market coming  ;D


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Hyena on November 17, 2014, 01:28:00 AM
What about this? http://www.zerohedge.com/node/488930

Interesting read. So if the Chinese were not responsible for that bubble then their People's bank overreacted and tried to solve a problem that didn't exist in the first place :D which means they should unban bitcoin now?


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: KJO on November 17, 2014, 07:06:59 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ohMr5QH.png

Parabolic SAR with just 0.01 step

Bullish market coming  ;D

Did you confirm strength with ADX?



Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Hyena on November 24, 2014, 01:06:42 PM
And a third dot. If we're about to see a new bubble any time soon then those dots should soon start to pop exponentially higher and higher. If we go sideways this week and perhaps next week then we might not see a large scale rally just yet.

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=&i=Weekly&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=1&l=1&p=0&


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: ask on November 24, 2014, 02:01:49 PM
And a third dot. If we're about to see a new bubble any time soon then those dots should soon start to pop exponentially higher and higher. If we go sideways this week and perhaps next week then we might not see a large scale rally just yet.

It looks that we will not go sideways this week. So only option which is still possible is RALLY.


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: BTCmoons on November 24, 2014, 02:40:13 PM
And a third dot. If we're about to see a new bubble any time soon then those dots should soon start to pop exponentially higher and higher. If we go sideways this week and perhaps next week then we might not see a large scale rally just yet.

It looks that we will not go sideways this week. So only option which is still possible is RALLY.

you know what that means right?? we are moon bound peoples. so strap up tight and hodl


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: wobber on November 25, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
No moon. Only down to 360s again....


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: inca on November 25, 2014, 04:20:53 PM
No moon. Only down to 360s again....

Really? I'll buy your coins for 360 right now!


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: wobber on November 25, 2014, 04:29:56 PM
No moon. Only down to 360s again....

Really? I'll buy your coins for 360 right now!

No, I'll wait to sell them in 2 weeks at 1000000x the price.......


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: inca on November 25, 2014, 04:42:38 PM
No moon. Only down to 360s again....

Really? I'll buy your coins for 360 right now!

No, I'll wait to sell them in 2 weeks at 1000000x the price.......

Ah, you just pull the numbers out of your arse!

Isn't it time for you to create another shit thread? It's been a while.


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: wobber on November 25, 2014, 04:45:20 PM
No moon. Only down to 360s again....

Really? I'll buy your coins for 360 right now!

No, I'll wait to sell them in 2 weeks at 1000000x the price.......

Ah, you just pull the numbers out of your arse!

Isn't it time for you to create another shit thread? It's been a while.

...


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: bitteractor on December 08, 2014, 04:05:09 AM
Are we still flipped or are we upside down? 

Did the flip flop?


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Hyena on December 08, 2014, 09:06:55 AM
Are we still flipped or are we upside down? 

Did the flip flop?

We'd have to go below 300 for pSar to flop :P


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Tzupy on December 08, 2014, 09:36:52 AM
This flip is specific to Bitstamp, but China leads the market. Since OKcoin data is missing for the last 8 days
from bitcoincharts, I can only see BTCChina which probably follows OKcoin, and PSAR didn't flip there.
Even if it would flip, it wouldn't mean what the OP implied, that a mania phase of the bubble is near.
For that, considering that the market moves about 4x slower than in 2013 (when Markus and Willy faked it),
we need 4w PSAR to flip (which is not available on bitcoincharts), in order to confirm an upcoming parabolic rise.

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=btcnCNY&SubmitButton=Draw&r=360&i=Weekly&c=1&s=2013-11-20&e=2014-12-30&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=1&l=0&p=0&


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: Hyena on December 19, 2014, 12:54:30 PM
This is critical :D the pSar is about to flip again. This whole topic might turn out to be a premature ejaculation and the bear market could continue. As always, the next weeks are absolutely critical to the BTC/USD!
http://s13.postimg.org/9vaa04irb/psar.png


Title: Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side!
Post by: jaredboice on December 19, 2014, 01:01:00 PM
This flip is specific to Bitstamp, but China leads the market. Since OKcoin data is missing for the last 8 days
from bitcoincharts, I can only see BTCChina which probably follows OKcoin, and PSAR didn't flip there.
Even if it would flip, it wouldn't mean what the OP implied, that a mania phase of the bubble is near.
For that, considering that the market moves about 4x slower than in 2013 (when Markus and Willy faked it),
we need 4w PSAR to flip (which is not available on bitcoincharts), in order to confirm an upcoming parabolic rise.

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=btcnCNY&SubmitButton=Draw&r=360&i=Weekly&c=1&s=2013-11-20&e=2014-12-30&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=1&l=0&p=0&

Can we get over this whole "Mt. Gox faked the 2013 bubble" already? Every bubble in bitcoin wasn't due to a bot. And the last three bubbles follow a very similar pattern