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Bitcoin => Mining speculation => Topic started by: intron on November 20, 2014, 03:33:41 PM



Title: - negative diff hike -
Post by: intron on November 20, 2014, 03:33:41 PM
Estimated Next Difficulty:    40,248,405,371 (-0.13%)

I never saw this before:)


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: Elwar on November 20, 2014, 03:35:09 PM
Price is down, miners turn off their machines or sell them when that happens.


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: minerpumpkin on November 20, 2014, 03:37:08 PM
Yeah, it's mostly due to the price. It gets less and less profitable to run the current gear. And also, there seems to be no next-generation hardware coming online at the moment that may be more profitable.


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: intron on November 20, 2014, 03:43:53 PM
Price is down, miners turn off their machines or sell them when that happens.

Wait for the firework when one of the big boys goes belly up...


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: coinme.info on November 22, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Estimated Next Difficulty:    40,248,405,371 (-0.13%)

I never saw this before:)

Estimated Next Difficulty:    39,891,564,019 (-1.01%)


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: philipma1957 on November 22, 2014, 06:37:43 PM
well it would be nice to string a few of these in a row.


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: notlist3d on November 22, 2014, 08:32:24 PM
You have to remember some miners at this price cost more then they make.     I think a  lot of old hosted machines will start to be unplugged. 


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: gingpark on November 23, 2014, 06:08:24 PM
Yeah this is what would be expected ... honestly the price to me seems to be too low current, of course just my opinion.

Although I am sure higher prices will make everyone happy.

As a hobbyist miner the lower the difficulty the better it is for me. :D


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: elduderino on November 23, 2014, 08:47:37 PM
Yeah this is what would be expected ... honestly the price to me seems to be too low current, of course just my opinion.

Although I am sure higher prices will make everyone happy.

As a hobbyist miner the lower the difficulty the better it is for me. :D

Roger that!

As long as the difficulty at least stays about where it is, and the price of BTC/USD does the same, I'll be looking a lot better than I thought I would when I purchase my latest round of gear roughly a month ago, which is awesome! I mean, who buys gear thinking that the difficulty might actually go down?

Do your research, use the calculators and make strategic purchases... and sometimes, just sometimes, you might get lucky. :)


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: Argwai96 on November 24, 2014, 07:00:56 AM
You have to remember some miners at this price cost more then they make.     I think a  lot of old hosted machines will start to be unplugged. 
Generally speaking the unprofitable miners will be no longer the "fastest" miners on the market and would make up a small percentage of the overall network hashrate by the time they become unprofitable


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: SMB-2525 on November 24, 2014, 11:19:59 AM
It appears to reflect that, at current BTC price,  there is no incentive to make the large investment required to bring a new generation of hardware on line. With a halving coming in 2016, they pay back on that investment is tenuous.

I think BTC prices are depressed because mining farms have to sell BTC to meet expenses. I think it also indicates the cost to mine in China might be higher than some people assume.


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: coinme.info on November 25, 2014, 04:19:19 AM
Estimated Next Difficulty:    40,248,405,371 (-0.13%)

I never saw this before:)

Estimated Next Difficulty:    39,891,564,019 (-1.01%)


Estimated Next Difficulty:    39,621,045,932 (-1.68%)


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: gingpark on November 25, 2014, 05:25:20 AM
GO GO GO DIFFICULTY GO ...... down!!!


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: philipma1957 on November 25, 2014, 01:07:33 PM
GO GO GO DIFFICULTY GO ...... down!!!


nice one I am on board with this!


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: ujka on November 25, 2014, 08:08:40 PM
Estimated Next Difficulty:    40,248,405,371 (-0.13%)

I never saw this before:)

Estimated Next Difficulty:    39,891,564,019 (-1.01%)


Estimated Next Difficulty:    39,621,045,932 (-1.68%)
I'm seeing this:
7.47 days left until -2.83% growth


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: intron on November 25, 2014, 09:25:08 PM
Estimated Next Difficulty:    40,248,405,371 (-0.13%)

I never saw this before:)

Estimated Next Difficulty:    39,891,564,019 (-1.01%)


Estimated Next Difficulty:    39,621,045,932 (-1.68%)
I'm seeing this:
7.47 days left until -2.83% growth

Estimated Next Difficulty:    39,465,146,903 (-2.07%)

Taken from https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

(Down boy, down!...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKfbSHW9uGA&t=1m29s :)



Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: Seketsuna on November 26, 2014, 02:26:01 AM
well the diff. went to -2, cold season + dropping of difficulty. A nice season it is :)


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: philipma1957 on November 26, 2014, 04:06:47 AM
well the diff. went to -10, cold season + dropping of difficulty. A nice season it is :)

this is a big point for me.

the   winter power cost drops from 16 cents to 13 cents.

saving on the heat drops me to 10 cents.  At 10 cents my 5.6th uses 4k and will make 575 a month

in the summer 313 a month. 

but there were times last year I was making 2k a month mostly nov dec jan 2013-2014.

unless we see a decent price jump mining may end for my tis spring.  these  -1 and -2 diff jumps or drops will help for a bit. but I can't see me mining past may 1 - july 1 of 2015

and I have sp20's and s-3's I am doing just under .7 watts for all of my gear combined


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: gingpark on November 26, 2014, 07:15:33 AM
GO GO GO DIFFICULTY GO ...... down!!!


nice one I am on board with this!

 ;D and as well as we need the prices of BTC to go UP UP UP!!!

Honestly seems too low at the moment ... not trying to go to deep on price speculation in this thread but just my opinion.

Although surely everyone wants the prices to be as HIGH as possible :P


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: philipma1957 on November 26, 2014, 12:04:48 PM
GO GO GO DIFFICULTY GO ...... down!!!


nice one I am on board with this!

 ;D and as well as we need the prices of BTC to go UP UP UP!!!

Honestly seems too low at the moment ... not trying to go to deep on price speculation in this thread but just my opinion.

Although surely everyone wants the prices to be as HIGH as possible :P


If we strung/or averaged   -1% from now until my birth day in late Jan.  the price could stay at 350 usd.


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: coinmaster222 on November 26, 2014, 12:11:12 PM
Well as long as i break even I will continue to mine next year save the bitcoin and hope for a price rise in months ahead.


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: klondike_bar on November 26, 2014, 06:43:37 PM
My favorite thing is that a bitfury system from last September continues to churn out bitcoins at ~1.2w/gh profitably. When I bought the device almost Noone expected it to be profitable past 6-9 months of use.


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: armedmilitia on November 26, 2014, 08:44:43 PM
My favorite thing is that a bitfury system from last September continues to churn out bitcoins at ~1.2w/gh profitably. When I bought the device almost Noone expected it to be profitable past 6-9 months of use.

You must not pay that much for electricity if its still profitable. Are you out in Washington?


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: fairlay on November 27, 2014, 05:29:42 AM
we do prediction markets on the bitcoin difficulty: basically you predict (bet) if some difficulty is reached by a time or not.

What might be interesting for everyone are the resulting data: you get probabilities:
https://www.fairlay.com/event/category/bitcoin/difficulty/

Currently people are not 100% convinced of the decrease: the probability for a decrease this year is only 76%
(so if you predict on the decrease you still can make money if it actually happens)


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: FattyMcButterpants on November 27, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
Estimated Next Difficulty:    40,248,405,371 (-0.13%)

I never saw this before:)
The difficulty declined twice last year, one of which was ~this time.

With those two exceptions there was only one other time that the difficulty decreased in the history of bitcoin, although it did stay the same for several months (at "1") in the very early days of mining.


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: beegatewood on November 27, 2014, 02:26:06 PM
Negative diff hike should stay for long time, assuming bitcoin price don't suddenly sky rocket. So time to buy cloud mining!!


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: ujka on November 27, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
Estimated Next Difficulty:    40,248,405,371 (-0.13%)

I never saw this before:)
The difficulty declined twice last year, one of which was ~this time.

With those two exceptions there was only one other time that the difficulty decreased in the history of bitcoin, although it did stay the same for several months (at "1") in the very early days of mining.
^Had to correct this.
I counted 18 times that the diff decreased on adjustment, just some of that:
8 times in august - november 2011,
4 times in april - may 2012
2 times in december 2012
and once in january 2013


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: intron on November 27, 2014, 02:42:24 PM
Estimated Next Difficulty:    40,248,405,371 (-0.13%)

I never saw this before:)
The difficulty declined twice last year, one of which was ~this time.

With those two exceptions there was only one other time that the difficulty decreased in the history of bitcoin, although it did stay the same for several months (at "1") in the very early days of mining.
^Had to correct this.
I counted 18 times that the diff decreased on adjustment, just some of that:
8 times in august - november 2011,
4 times in april - may 2012
2 times in december 2012
and once in january 2013


I wasn't around at that time, so I never saw this before;)




Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: elduderino on November 27, 2014, 03:00:48 PM
Somebody pointed me to this site a little while back:

http://nextdifficulty.com/

Waiting (and mining) with anticipation!


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: klondike_bar on November 27, 2014, 10:28:38 PM
Somebody pointed me to this site a little while back:

http://nextdifficulty.com/

Waiting (and mining) with anticipation!

seems a bit high. 2.5% movement downwards is my best guess


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: klondike_bar on November 27, 2014, 10:30:06 PM
My favorite thing is that a bitfury system from last September continues to churn out bitcoins at ~1.2w/gh profitably. When I bought the device almost Noone expected it to be profitable past 6-9 months of use.

You must not pay that much for electricity if its still profitable. Are you out in Washington?

$0.15/kwh    IIRC the breakeven point for me right now is around 1.5w/GH - Ive been trying to sell off some of the older hardware to make sure i have only 1w/GH or better gear


Title: Re: - negative diff hike -
Post by: intron on December 02, 2014, 11:59:15 PM
And here we go:

Dec 02 2014    40,007,470,271    -0.73%    286,384,627 GH/s