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Title: Facism making a comeback? Post by: AllTheBitz on November 22, 2014, 03:25:47 AM in the last couple of decades Fascism has been slowly gaining traction throughout Europe(other radical groups such as communist have as well). Now some of these parties will claim to not be fascist while others will strait out say they are. here is a list of a few, and what are your thoughts on the rise of fascism and could it make a comeback.
http://www.geocurrents.info/cultural-geography/the-rapid-rise-of-the-xenophobic-right-in-contemporary-europe http://theweek.com/article/index/261659/how-fascism-returned-to-europe Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Spendulus on November 22, 2014, 03:29:47 AM in the last couple of decades Fascism has been slowly gaining traction throughout Europe(other radical groups such as communist have as well). Now some of these parties will claim to not be fascist while others will strait out say they are. here is a list of a few, and what are your thoughts on the rise of fascism and could it make a comeback. http://www.geocurrents.info/cultural-geography/the-rapid-rise-of-the-xenophobic-right-in-contemporary-europe http://theweek.com/article/index/261659/how-fascism-returned-to-europe Fascism is not xenophobic right. Fascism is a style of socialism. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: pedrog on November 22, 2014, 03:47:32 AM in the last couple of decades Fascism has been slowly gaining traction throughout Europe(other radical groups such as communist have as well). Now some of these parties will claim to not be fascist while others will strait out say they are. here is a list of a few, and what are your thoughts on the rise of fascism and could it make a comeback. http://www.geocurrents.info/cultural-geography/the-rapid-rise-of-the-xenophobic-right-in-contemporary-europe http://theweek.com/article/index/261659/how-fascism-returned-to-europe Fascism is not xenophobic right. Fascism is a style of socialism. Nop, actually fascism is quite hostile to socialism. And saying fascism is xenophobic right is quite accurate because it is a 'style' of nationalism. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: AllTheBitz on November 22, 2014, 06:22:22 AM in the last couple of decades Fascism has been slowly gaining traction throughout Europe(other radical groups such as communist have as well). Now some of these parties will claim to not be fascist while others will strait out say they are. here is a list of a few, and what are your thoughts on the rise of fascism and could it make a comeback. http://www.geocurrents.info/cultural-geography/the-rapid-rise-of-the-xenophobic-right-in-contemporary-europe http://theweek.com/article/index/261659/how-fascism-returned-to-europe Fascism is not xenophobic right. Fascism is a style of socialism. Your thinking of national socialism also known as Nazism which is different from fascism even though there commonly grouped together. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: saddampbuh on November 22, 2014, 08:36:13 AM anyone opposed to the africanisation and islamisation of europe through mass third world immigration gets labelled a fascist or national socialist by the liberal white self hating establishment in the hopes it will shut them up. personally i was always a big fan of hitler.
Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Lethn on November 22, 2014, 09:27:22 AM For fucks sake guys, can you at least look up the dictionary definition of what you're talking about before you make such wild claims about a political ideology? I would agree though that fascism certainly is gaining interest, but you also need to take into account that Libertarianism and Anarchism is as well, hopefully we'll eventually outnumber these scumbags so they can't take over countries easily. Oh and yes, I know there are communists here who will disagree with me, but there are communists out there who can be fascists as well, any group that tries to take over an entire country by force is facism, so Stalin and Castro would be within that definition, fascists take over a country and assert their will, they don't want any dissenting opinion in their country.
It annoys me as somebody who likes capitalism seeing communists rant about fascists as if it only ever happens to the opposing side, as an Anarchist you should be against ALL fascism whether it's disguised as communist or capitalist. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Pagan on November 22, 2014, 04:58:05 PM “The Fascists of the future will be the anti-fascists.” - Winston Churchill
http://s16.postimg.org/wyxqll29h/lh5_googleusercontent_com_Mi_Hgj_m_HT7g_U0_Ad_L_sd_C.jpg Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: AllTheBitz on November 22, 2014, 08:36:00 PM Fascist have always hated communism just because they use tools that a authoritative state would use doesn't mean there fascist.
Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: El Emperador on November 22, 2014, 09:37:10 PM Nop, actually fascism is quite hostile to socialism. And saying fascism is xenophobic right is quite accurate because it is a 'style' of nationalism. It's true that fascism tends to be hostile to socialism, but it's also true fascism and socialism have many things in common, first of all a similar economic theory that wants the state to be the biggest enterpreneur and wants to limit free market. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: tvbcof on November 23, 2014, 12:28:39 AM in the last couple of decades Fascism has been slowly gaining traction throughout Europe(other radical groups such as communist have as well). Now some of these parties will claim to not be fascist while others will strait out say they are. here is a list of a few, and what are your thoughts on the rise of fascism and could it make a comeback. http://www.geocurrents.info/cultural-geography/the-rapid-rise-of-the-xenophobic-right-in-contemporary-europe http://theweek.com/article/index/261659/how-fascism-returned-to-europe Fascism is not xenophobic right. Fascism is a style of socialism. Your thinking of national socialism also known as Nazism which is different from fascism even though there commonly grouped together. I go with Mussolini's famous definition of fascism: 'the merger of state and corporate power.' He was kind of an authority in the subject in my opinion. In that sense Fascism is very much upon us here in the U.S. since both major political parties are well on board. The left is currently all ga-ga about 'public/private partnerships' which fits the definition well, and the level of 'Socialism' they achieve with it and by other means is actually very high (and growing dramatically.) Actually what is really growing fast under our modern political regime, and in particular when the Dems are running the show, would most appropriately be termed 'Communitarianism' I feel. My fear is that Fascism leads directly and quickly to totalitarianism, and that is a place I really don't want to go. I think the signs of this are all around us if we open our eyes and have a look. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Hippie Tech on November 23, 2014, 12:39:15 AM Wake up peeps... the maggots did not lose WWII.
Comeback ? lol.. They just stopped being shy about it. ;) Prescott Bush - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to Power --> http://youtu.be/TnHnjmCYjy4 Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: AllTheBitz on November 23, 2014, 02:10:07 AM Wake up peeps... the maggots did not lose WWII. Comeback ? lol.. They just stopped being shy about it. ;) Prescott Bush - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to Power --> http://youtu.be/TnHnjmCYjy4 I should've rephrased it to becoming mainstream because they have always been around just not gaining power like you see now. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Pagan on November 23, 2014, 03:59:44 AM Fascist have always hated communism just because they use tools that a authoritative state would use doesn't mean there fascist. nope, fascist and commies are brothers forever http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/015/2/e/fascism_and_communism_by_balddog4-d5rl4g8.jpg Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: username18444 on November 23, 2014, 04:10:38 AM Quote from: Peter Kropotkin, Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets link=http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/anarchistcommunism.html ANARCHIST COMMUNISM: ITS BASIS AND PRINCIPLES I Anarchism, the no-government system of socialism, has a double origin. It is an outgrowth of the two great movements of thought in the economic and the political fields which characterize the nineteenth century, and especially its second part. In common with all socialists, the anarchists hold that the private ownership of land, capital, and machinery has had its time; that it is condemned to disappear; and that all requisites for production must, and will, become the common property of society, and be managed in common by the producers of wealth. And in common with the most advanced representatives of political radicalism, they maintain that the ideal of the political organization of society is a condition of things where the functions of government are reduced to a minimum, and the individual recovers his full liberty of initiative and action for satisfying, by means of free groups and federations--freely constituted--all the infinitely varied needs of the human being. As regards socialism, most of the anarchists arrive at its ultimate conclusion, that is, at a complete negation of the wage-system and at communism. And with reference to political organization, by giving a further development to the above-mentioned part of the radical program, they arrive at the conclusion that the ultimate aim of society is the reduction of the functions of government to nil--that is, to a society without government, to anarchy. The anarchists maintain, moreover, that such being the ideal of social and political organization, they must not remit it to future centuries. but that only those changes in our social organization which are in accordance with the above double ideal, and constitute an approach to it, will have a chance of life and be beneficial for the commonwealth. . . . Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222 The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: beetcoin on November 23, 2014, 04:31:05 AM oh lord, fascism is a type of socialism? it's something a bible thumping fear monger would say on fox news :D
you know, you can dislike someone like obama without calling him an "emperor" or "dictator" because he is ostensibly not. he and hilary are just another piece of the pro-establishment, just like every other republican candidate. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: BitMos on November 23, 2014, 04:52:00 AM I don't try to understand too much the ideologies of my enemies, only their mastery of the battlefield, and how close they are ready to walk with death... much of the time they prefer a slave life, than a free life. Most of them will try everything to seek to hide the fact they are slaves (of their own making or of others masters)... with what ever they can find.
Phirao was fascist? or communist? or imperialist? frankly once the erase process start who cares... "The fighting became hand-to-hand, fierce, savage, confused and without the slightest respite.... Blood from the bodies of the slain turned a small brook which flowed through the plain into a torrent. Those made desperately thirsty by their injuries drank water so augmented with blood that in their misery it seemed as though they were forced to drink the very blood which had poured from their wounds". Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: tvbcof on November 23, 2014, 05:08:28 AM oh lord, fascism is a type of socialism? ... The state and corporate spheres can merge (again, Mussolini's definition of Fascism) and promulgate a variety of political, social, and economic landscapes. Various elements typically considered Socialism is certainly one possibility here. What probably won't last very long under Mussolini's conception of Fascism is Democracy. More and more that is slipping away here in the U.S. where we have the choice between two awful and barely distinguishable candidates for important offices (esp, the presidency) and a lot of significant on-the-ground actions are the result of unelected and uncountable boards and executive policy is formed and implemented with no transparency and blatant subterfuge (see the recent Gruber stuff as an example.) Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: BitMos on November 23, 2014, 05:15:28 AM Exactly tvbcof, and if you look at the rest of the world the USA is still very good. That's why I think that vigilance of the Forces were directed more in the MENA... Now that the troops, (including analysts, psy-op, counter psy op, big bobs and co) are back... I think it's time to purge America, like Iraq or Afg, the advantage, we know where are the Mcmansion... and frankly those dudes (and girls, like the slut of California who took state money to invest in her company) don't have the training that the afgans had (aka the Red Army). So I think that it's important to restore fear in them. Fear of the People. the USMIC is made of the People who love their family, to the point of accepting the greatest sacrifice, meanwhile those scumbags are ready to kill the American dream, for a 2 week yacht vacation... it's the same almost worldwide. My last hope is the USMIC.
Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: username18444 on November 23, 2014, 05:16:56 AM oh lord, fascism is a type of socialism? ... The state and corporate spheres can merge (again, Mussolini's definition of Fascism) and promulgate a variety of political, social, and economic landscapes. Various elements typically considered Socialism is certainly one possibility here. What probably won't last very long under Mussolini's conception of Fascism is Democracy. More and more that is slipping away here in the U.S. where we have the choice between two awful and barely distinguishable candidates for important offices (esp, the presidency) and a lot of significant on-the-ground actions are the result of unelected and uncountable boards and executive policy is formed and implemented with no transparency and blatant subterfuge (see the recent Gruber stuff as an example.) Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy democracy 1 b : a government in which the supreme power is vested (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vest) in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/election) Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy plutocracy 1 : government by the wealthy You write as if plutocracy (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy) were republican democracy (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy). You write as if lobbyists paid very well for influencing politicians' votes do not exist... Comcast loves 0bama's plan. Does that mean the people voted for Comcast? More control from government will not make things easier for creatives minds now, especially the ones with ideas but no money. This has been proven over and over again. . . . You write as if plutocracy (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy) were republican democracy (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy). Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222 The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens… Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: BitMos on November 23, 2014, 05:17:01 AM Fascism is a style of socialism. end of the discussion. And dear username18444, you have to accept that in this technological world you have to forget your anarchist dream. I will not let you play with plutonium, I will build a USMIC to defeat you, I will kill you and your family if you don't want to renounce to your machination with those stuff. It's just an example, now we even have quantic program. Forget it. the time of the tribe walking among the bush with only wild beast and others tribes as enemy is long long long gone. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/US_Navy_SEALs_at_Zhawar_Kili_cave_entrance.jpg/220px-US_Navy_SEALs_at_Zhawar_Kili_cave_entrance.jpg you can stay in your cave, be peacefull or we will get you... The mean and the will. Quote Type Navy Size 325,143 active duty personnel[3] 107,355 reserve personnel[3] 289 ships[3] 3,700+ aircraft 10 aircraft carriers 9 amphibious assault ships 10 amphibious transport docks 12 dock landing ships 22 cruisers 62 destroyers 10 frigates 4 littoral combat ships 72 submarines Part of U.S. Department of the Navy Headquarters The Pentagon Arlington County, Virginia, U.S. Motto "Non sibi sed patriae" (Latin: "Not for self but for country") (unofficial)[4] Colors Blue, Gold [5] AND SO NO THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE TO CORRUPT IT S CITIZEN. LIKE EVERY TOOL IT CAN BE A FORCE FOR GOOD OR BAD. YES THERE IS ONLY DUALITY. OR YOU ARE ALIVE OR YOU ARE DEAD. 1 or 0. welcome to my ignore list... you only spam this shit everywhere... a form of psy-war? Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Hippie Tech on November 23, 2014, 06:01:04 AM oh lord, fascism is a type of socialism? it's something a bible thumping fear monger would say on fox news :D you know, you can dislike someone like obama without calling him an "emperor" or "dictator" because he is ostensibly not. he and hilary are just another piece of the pro-establishment, just like every other republican candidate. Don't let his oBomBa phone hear you say that ! ::) Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: BitMos on November 23, 2014, 06:05:42 AM First Obamaphone then the Obama dildo? and finally the Hilary pussy? we have to whoreship our leader. they are the greatest. because one isn't white, the other a female. both are clones, produced by an university system controlled by the most mercyless men on earth... they just failed to free themselves from the conditioning. aka they didn't made the cut.
that explain why they hate the USMIC, for one reason, you can't lie in a battlefield... already trying to see trough the fog of war is fucking crazy... saw some clips from the pacific ww2, impossible to see the beach... just a wall of smoke filed with Death itself. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: tvbcof on November 23, 2014, 05:12:06 PM Back to Mussolini's 'merger of state and corporate power' definition of Fascism, and mapping it to the U.S., I just ran across the following in my morning reading: this (http://www.businessinsider.com/10-counterinsurgncy-tactics-your-local-fracking-corp-will-use-against-you-2011-11?op=1) from this (http://www.globalresearch.ca/3-billion-gallons-of-highly-toxic-fracking-waste-dumped-into-california-drinking-water-supply/5415646). It is worth note that 'corporate' did not have exactly the same meaning back when Mussolini was flapping his gums as it does in modern vernacular, but our legal corporate structures of today are related to and a sub-set of what he was talking about by use of the term 'corporate'. I've also read that some of the founders and framers of the U.S. were fully aware and plenty leery of the corrupting and destructive influence that 'corporations' can have on a nation. I was interested in this when there was a huge (and successful) push to propagandize 'corporations' as some sort of a gift from God. This line has actually been pushed through my lifetime and probably was before, but it was pushed especially hard (and effectively) during Republican administrations. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: AllTheBitz on November 24, 2014, 11:21:05 PM Fascist have always hated communism just because they use tools that a authoritative state would use doesn't mean there fascist. nope, fascist and commies are brothers forever http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/015/2/e/fascism_and_communism_by_balddog4-d5rl4g8.jpg I really hope this is b8. you can look back at the leaders of national socialism and fascism and see the hatred of communism. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Pagan on November 25, 2014, 12:32:54 AM Fascist have always hated communism just because they use tools that a authoritative state would use doesn't mean there fascist. nope, fascist and commies are brothers forever http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/015/2/e/fascism_and_communism_by_balddog4-d5rl4g8.jpg I really hope this is b8. you can look back at the leaders of national socialism and fascism and see the hatred of communism. They all have the same socialist / marxist roots: commies, nazi, bolsheviks etc. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Armia_Czerwona,Wehrmacht_23.09.1939_wsp%C3%B3lna_parada.jpg http://ww2days.com/images/Poland_Brest_victory_parade_soldiers_share_experiences_280x329.jpg http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Soviet-and-German-soldiers-friendly-conversation-in-the-newly-captured-Polish-city-of-Brest.-The-Invasion-of-Poland-September-1939.jpg Soviet NKVD and Nazi Gestapo cooperation > http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=33713 Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Gronthaing on November 25, 2014, 12:44:26 AM Back to Mussolini's 'merger of state and corporate power' definition of Fascism, and mapping it to the U.S., I just ran across the following in my morning reading: this (http://www.businessinsider.com/10-counterinsurgncy-tactics-your-local-fracking-corp-will-use-against-you-2011-11?op=1) from this (http://www.globalresearch.ca/3-billion-gallons-of-highly-toxic-fracking-waste-dumped-into-california-drinking-water-supply/5415646). It is worth note that 'corporate' did not have exactly the same meaning back when Mussolini was flapping his gums as it does in modern vernacular, but our legal corporate structures of today are related to and a sub-set of what he was talking about by use of the term 'corporate'. I've also read that some of the founders and framers of the U.S. were fully aware and plenty leery of the corrupting and destructive influence that 'corporations' can have on a nation. I was interested in this when there was a huge (and successful) push to propagandize 'corporations' as some sort of a gift from God. This line has actually been pushed through my lifetime and probably was before, but it was pushed especially hard (and effectively) during Republican administrations. It has also been a push to popularize the idea of "All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, [...] the vile maxim of the masters of mankind" (Adam Smith). It's interesting that at the end of the 19th century, even The New York Times was describing wage labor as "a system of slavery as absolute if not as degrading as that which lately prevailed at the South". Nop, actually fascism is quite hostile to socialism. And saying fascism is xenophobic right is quite accurate because it is a 'style' of nationalism. It's true that fascism tends to be hostile to socialism, but it's also true fascism and socialism have many things in common, first of all a similar economic theory that wants the state to be the biggest enterpreneur and wants to limit free market. What you described there was state socialism, not socialism. In socialism, the idea is to avoid the concentration of power that you mentioned. But you're right in the second case, it does seek to move towards a production for consumption model, instead of for profit. Which, by the way, isn't necessarily true for fascism. @AllTheBitz the point is they both ruled authoritarian states. The rhetoric may be different, but not the methods or goals. Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: MichaelBliss on November 25, 2014, 12:51:51 AM Fascism is the merger of corporate and government power, so obviously, yes, the United States and other Western countries are already fascist by definition.
Nazism is also gaining popularity it seems: "At UN General Assembly Russia proposed a resolution on condemning attempts to glorify Nazism ideology. US, Canada & Ukraine were the only countries voted against the resolution. " http://newswire.net/newsroom/news/00086201-only-three-nations-voted-against-anti-nazism-resolution-us-canada-ukraine.html Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Pagan on November 25, 2014, 12:58:09 AM The difference between Marxism, Socialism, Communism, and Fascism, is a matter of degrees, only.
eg;... A Marxist will scream at you, argue and fist-fight you down the road to his dream, as he carries your belongings and says, "They belong to the collective". A Socialist will grab you by the hand or the hair, and beat you on the head with a stick and drag you along, as they make you carry your own belongings and tell you they, "Belong to the collective". A Communist will get behind you and make you carry your own belongings to his dream, as he points a gun to the back of your head, and kicks you in the back and screams at you, "They belong to the State"... as in the collective. A Fascist will will have your nieghbor carry your belongings, and shoot you if you do not agree with his dream of "Centralized Authority, and it all belongs to the State",... the collective". http://tmmason.hubpages.com/hub/Whatt-is-Communism-Socialism-Marxism-Are-They-All-the-Same Title: Re: Facism making a comeback? Post by: Gronthaing on November 25, 2014, 01:10:43 AM The difference between Marxism, Socialism, Communism, and Fascism, is a matter of degrees, only. eg;... A Marxist will scream at you, argue and fist-fight you down the road to his dream, as he carries your belongings and says, "They belong to the collective". A Socialist will grab you by the hand or the hair, and beat you on the head with a stick and drag you along, as they make you carry your own belongings and tell you they, "Belong to the collective". A Communist will get behind you and make you carry your own belongings to his dream, as he points a gun to the back of your head, and kicks you in the back and screams at you, "They belong to the State"... as in the collective. A Fascist will will have your nieghbor carry your belongings, and shoot you if you do not agree with his dream of "Centralized Authority, and it all belongs to the State",... the collective". http://tmmason.hubpages.com/hub/Whatt-is-Communism-Socialism-Marxism-Are-They-All-the-Same In that case, you can define democracy the same way. Your belongings belong to the collective... I mean 51%. And by the way, socialism isn't inconsistent with democracy. It seeks to have workers control the means of production, and the economy. edit: don't have time to read everything in your link, but there are several errors and obvious biases there. For example, Marx and Engel didn't maintain that socialism always had to be achieved through violence: "We know that the institutions, customs and traditions in the different countries must be taken into account; and we do not deny the existence of countries like America, England, and...I might add Holland, where the workers may achieve their aims by peaceful means. But this is not true of all countries." Then your link goes on to say "and whether Socialism is compatable with political pluralism, or must be implimented through a ideologically dedicated one party system, -(as we have had in America for decades now with the Leftists and Progressives, all under the guise of a two party system.)"... what? Did I get that right? Is it saying that the one party American system is serving leftists and progressives instead of big money interests? You can't possibly believe that, right? |
