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Title: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: evoorhees on June 11, 2012, 04:51:15 PM For the record...
-------- Bitcoin vs Euro in 2011 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2011: $0.30 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2012: $5.27 Bitcoin Up 1,756% for 2011 (note that Bitcoin was the best performing asset class in the world in 2011 even after it fell from its price peak in the summer) Euro Jan 1, 2011: $1.34 Euro Jan 1, 2012: $1.29 Euro Down 4% for 2011 Bitcoin vs Euro so far in 2012 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2012: $5.26 Bitcoin June 11, 2012: $5.51 Bitcoin Up 4.75% for 2012 Euro Jan 1, 2012: $1.29 Euro June 11, 2012: $1.25 Euro Down 3.2% for 2012 --------- Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: Stephen Gornick on June 11, 2012, 05:05:00 PM Your numbers should show even better for 2012. The closing price on 12/31/2011 was $4.722.
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmcTCtjBoRWUdHJuUE1mUkFxa3A0eHBDQkxZLVVFZmc Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: evoorhees on June 11, 2012, 05:17:49 PM Your numbers should show even better for 2012. The closing price on 12/31/2011 was 4.722. - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmcTCtjBoRWUdHJuUE1mUkFxa3A0eHBDQkxZLVVFZmc Great point. In that one day it jumped all the way up :) Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: terrytibbs on June 11, 2012, 05:22:08 PM Please also add Bitcoin vs Euro (June 10th '11 — June 10th '12). Thank you.
Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: evoorhees on June 11, 2012, 05:44:16 PM Please also add Bitcoin vs Euro (June 10th '11 — June 10th '12). Thank you. The data I used was year to year and year to date, and that's typically how assets are shown historically. If you'd like to cherry pick data to show Bitcoin falling from a summer price bubble, please feel free to post it yourself. And if you're going to do that, please also post the stats from Jan 1 2011, to June 10, 2011. ::) Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: thezerg on June 11, 2012, 05:47:31 PM you can pick good dates & you can pick bad ones. This is a well known trick and its hard to figure out how to make a fair assessment. One common method is to assume that you invest the same amount of USD per day into the security/commodity/item. I wonder what the june 11 run-up would have done to someone spending (say) $5 a day on BTC. Of course this assumes that the investor makes no price based decisions...
Another methods would be to imagine that a different person bought (say 1000 USD of BTC) every day and sold exactly 1 year later. Would the aggregate have made or lost money? Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: terrytibbs on June 11, 2012, 06:05:24 PM The data I used was year to year and year to date, and that's typically how assets are shown historically. If you'd like to cherry pick data to show Bitcoin falling from a summer price bubble, please feel free to post it yourself. And if you're going to do that, please also post the stats from Jan 1 2011, to June 10, 2011. ::) That's funny. Bitcoin is (was?) so volatile that your method of comparing the two assets is basically a shot in the dark. I'm glad it worked in your favor this time.Here's my version: For the record... -------- BITCOIN VS GRAVITY (2011-06-10 — 2012-06-10) http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=60&i=&c=1&s=2011-06-10&e=2012-06-10&Prev=&Next=&t=C&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=0&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0& EURO (approximately the same period) https://i.imgur.com/Shoku.png Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: Yankee (BitInstant) on June 11, 2012, 06:30:35 PM The data I used was year to year and year to date, and that's typically how assets are shown historically. If you'd like to cherry pick data to show Bitcoin falling from a summer price bubble, please feel free to post it yourself. And if you're going to do that, please also post the stats from Jan 1 2011, to June 10, 2011. ::) That's funny. Bitcoin is (was?) so volatile that your method of comparing the two assets is basically a shot in the dark. I'm glad it worked in your favor this time.Here's my version: For the record... -------- BITCOIN VS GRAVITY (2011-06-10 — 2012-06-10) http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=60&i=&c=1&s=2011-06-10&e=2012-06-10&Prev=&Next=&t=C&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=0&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0& EURO (approximately the same period) https://i.imgur.com/Shoku.png He clearly used Jan 1st for a specific reason to show yearly differences. If he wanted to 'trick you' he would have chosen obscure dates that you just did. Jan 1 - Jan 1 is the standard practice in financial reporting for yearly reports. Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: minorman on June 11, 2012, 06:42:29 PM For the record... -------- Bitcoin vs Euro in 2011 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2011: $0.30 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2012: $5.27 Bitcoin Up 1,756% for 2011 (note that Bitcoin was the best performing asset class in the world in 2011 even after it fell from its price peak in the summer) Euro Jan 1, 2011: $1.34 Euro Jan 1, 2012: $1.29 Euro Down 4% for 2011 Bitcoin vs Euro so far in 2012 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2012: $5.26 Bitcoin June 11, 2012: $5.51 Bitcoin Up 4.75% for 2012 Euro Jan 1, 2012: $1.29 Euro June 11, 2012: $1.25 Euro Down 3.2% for 2012 --------- Makes me realize that I wrote this piece http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/530678-minorman/248487-best-currency-in-2011 three days too early. I had Bitcoin up 1400% in 2011. I missed 356% by being three days to early ;-) Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: Gavin Andresen on June 11, 2012, 06:48:53 PM Here's my version: You just poked one of my pet peeves: the Y-axis on your Euro chart doesn't start at zero, so you're exaggerating it's volatility.... see below for chart... Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: N12 on June 11, 2012, 06:56:25 PM I agree with terrytibbs, this is very dishonest.
Most people (no, not me, before someone calles me butthurt. The purchases I made were in Feb and Mar 2011 at parity or below) bought in during May and June, also July and August 2011, and all of them got raped. How do you think they will take this up? Only a few geeks bought Bitcoins in Jan 2011. The rest had to give up 50-95% of their money and until now they haven’t seen any positive returns. Stop trying to hide that fact. Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: cypherdoc on June 11, 2012, 07:00:59 PM http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europe-brings-out-capital-controls-bazooka
if you live in Europe and understand Bitcoin, you should be buying like mad right now. Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: N12 on June 11, 2012, 07:01:21 PM Here is a meaningful chart. BTC/USD all-time on logscale with volume in USD.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=1&i1=Vol&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=0&cv=1&ps=0&l=1&p=0& Look how well Bitcoins performed for the people who actually poured money into it last year. ;D The biggest transfer of wealth occured right at the 32 top with the highest volume spike ever. Do you think these people would have maybe preferred staying in Euros instead of losing ~82% to date? Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: terrytibbs on June 11, 2012, 07:11:53 PM Only a few geeks bought Bitcoins in Jan 2011. The rest had to give up 50-95% of their money and until now they haven’t seen any positive returns. Stop trying to hide that fact. "Redistribution of wealth"Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: justusranvier on June 11, 2012, 07:45:39 PM Only a few geeks bought Bitcoins in Jan 2011. The rest had to give up 50-95% of their money and until now they haven’t seen any positive returns. Stop trying to hide that fact. That's the risk people take when they use currency as a instrument of speculation instead of as a means of exchange.Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: N12 on June 11, 2012, 08:15:33 PM Only a few geeks bought Bitcoins in Jan 2011. The rest had to give up 50-95% of their money and until now they haven’t seen any positive returns. Stop trying to hide that fact. That's the risk people take when they use currency as a instrument of speculation instead of as a means of exchange.Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: justusranvier on June 11, 2012, 08:17:00 PM "Store of value" is one feature of a currency. People around here want to tell me Bitcoin is a currency. "Store of value" is a misleading myth. "Deferred consumption" is a much more accurate term.Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: seriouscoin on June 11, 2012, 09:21:17 PM For the record... -------- Bitcoin vs Euro in 2011 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2011: $0.30 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2012: $5.27 Bitcoin Up 1,756% for 2011 (note that Bitcoin was the best performing asset class in the world in 2011 even after it fell from its price peak in the summer) Euro Jan 1, 2011: $1.34 Euro Jan 1, 2012: $1.29 Euro Down 4% for 2011 Bitcoin vs Euro so far in 2012 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2012: $5.26 Bitcoin June 11, 2012: $5.51 Bitcoin Up 4.75% for 2012 Euro Jan 1, 2012: $1.29 Euro June 11, 2012: $1.25 Euro Down 3.2% for 2012 --------- What the point of this? The strength of a currency is the exchange rate but the spread Stupid thread. Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: adamstgBit on June 11, 2012, 09:42:35 PM For the record... -------- Bitcoin vs Euro in 2011 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2011: $0.30 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2012: $5.27 Bitcoin Up 1,756% for 2011 (note that Bitcoin was the best performing asset class in the world in 2011 even after it fell from its price peak in the summer) Euro Jan 1, 2011: $1.34 Euro Jan 1, 2012: $1.29 Euro Down 4% for 2011 Bitcoin vs Euro so far in 2012 Bitcoin Jan 1, 2012: $5.26 Bitcoin June 11, 2012: $5.51 Bitcoin Up 4.75% for 2012 Euro Jan 1, 2012: $1.29 Euro June 11, 2012: $1.25 Euro Down 3.2% for 2012 --------- What the point of this? The strength of a currency is the exchange rate but the spread Stupid thread. I thought it was pretty cool to find out "Bitcoin was the best performing asset class in the world in 2011 even after it fell from its price peak in the summer" Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: bitdragon on June 11, 2012, 10:19:32 PM http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europe-brings-out-capital-controls-bazooka if you live in Europe and understand Bitcoin, you should be buying like mad right now. http://worldradio.ch/wrs/news/switzerland/eurozone-crisis-could-prompt-exchange-controls-on-.shtml?30977 Quote Eurozone crisis could prompt exchange controls on Swiss franc, says expert So far the Swiss National Bank has contented itself with buying euros and other currencies to keep the 1.20 franc peg in place but at least one commentator believes that capital controls are coming with all the bad news coming out of the eurozone. Bruce Krasting, a Swiss citizen living in the U.S., formerly of Wall Street, has worked for Credit Suisse and is a prominent commentator on the euro for Business Insider. He thinks that measures like taxing Swiss franc accounts for non-residents and frustrating the setting up of new accounts in this country are imminent. WRS’s Pete Forster asks him what might trigger the bank to institute capital controls: Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: cypherdoc on June 11, 2012, 11:03:04 PM http://www.businessinsider.com/europeans-putting-money-into-bitcoin-2012-6
Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: cypherdoc on June 11, 2012, 11:22:20 PM http://betabeat.com/2012/06/bitcoin-gets-a-boost-from-euro-crisis/
Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: LightRider on June 13, 2012, 01:23:43 AM The only real wealth we have is the relationships we have with other people. The best performing asset class we can ever hope to reach for is a society that cares for all people.
Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: notme on June 13, 2012, 01:26:27 AM The only real wealth we have is the relationships we have with other people. The best performing asset class we can ever hope to reach for is a society that cares for all people. +1 to the first sentence. Good luck with the second. Title: Re: Comparison of Bitcoin vs. Euro 2011 & 2012 Post by: niko on June 13, 2012, 09:09:30 AM Only a few geeks bought Bitcoins in Jan 2011. The rest had to give up 50-95% of their money and until now they haven’t seen any positive returns. Stop trying to hide that fact. "Redistribution of wealth" |
