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Title: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: bb113 on June 13, 2012, 02:18:01 AM http://s11.postimage.org/lp7aroi8z/Russian.jpg
It came out of a soviet ammo can made in 1947. I didn't take the pic so I have no idea why it is so blurry. Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2012, 02:25:13 AM It ain't Russian. It's Lithuanian. It reads: All your base are belong to us. What you have there is the very first meme.
~Cackling Bear~ PS: That's one hell of an ugly avatar, dude. ;D Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: LoupGaroux on June 13, 2012, 02:32:51 AM It actually IS Russian... it reads:
Hey Boris! In Soviet Russia, pointy end of bullet goes in chamber first. Forgetski notski. Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2012, 03:00:12 AM It actually IS Russian... it reads: Hey Boris! In Soviet Russia, pointy end of bullet goes in chamber first. Forgetski notski. You're right, LG. I was just testing you to see if you knew Russian. I Googled your translation and found this: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5032/7182227747_81c7bf8512.jpg Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: bb113 on June 13, 2012, 03:15:06 AM I tried to run it through this OCR:
http://www.free-ocr.com/ Quote e ’ H‘ ’ ‘Ё ‚ ’ “T ‘ ‚c „P“ п. On the plus side I just listened to my first audio captcha. It was surprisingly intense. Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2012, 04:07:29 AM Let's try to solve this without any outside help from anybody who does know the answer until we collectively get close and give or proclaim we have the answer.
I'll start by re-posting the original image, followed by an image of the Russian alphabet. http://s11.postimage.org/lp7aroi8z/Russian.jpg http://www.rususa.com/data/pictures/misc/russian-alphabet.jpg I guess we can assume that there are only 5 words, therefore... 1. O ... 2. P ... 3. ... 4. ... 5. ... That's the best I can do. Now help out by placing in some letters. ~Bruno~ Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: LoupGaroux on June 13, 2012, 05:00:45 AM 1. Omml covuih
2. P 3. L 4. Amm 5. X Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: vampire on June 13, 2012, 02:49:21 PM WIP:
First line: oшинoвщик (that's the best I can come up with), it's a profession... Which could be well .... a) a guy who put tires on wheels (шины - tires) b) a guy who insulates electrical wirings Second line: poдиoнoв - Rodionov (last name) Third line: к o___ кa___ Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: bb113 on June 13, 2012, 03:16:57 PM Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: check_status on June 13, 2012, 04:46:36 PM Oshi Love's him
Robio I am finnished. Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2012, 05:39:58 PM Does it look like the second word has exactly 8 letters in it and starts with P?
Let's agree on the letter count of all five words, safely assuming that there are only five. ~Bruno~ Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: ArsenShnurkov on June 13, 2012, 05:56:23 PM There two names of responsible persons (first is family name "Rodionov", and second person put his signature which is not fully readable)
First person was responsible for technological process (something related to Zink (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc) protection from corrosion) Second person was responsible for distribution and access control. Probably he approved shipping from factory or from another storage place --- After some thinking, there might be another possibility: the second person is technical controller. "k otk" might be the "department of technology checking" Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: bb113 on June 13, 2012, 06:05:13 PM There two names of responsible persons (first is family name "Rodionov", and second person put his signature which is not fully readable) First person was responsible for technological process (something related to Zink (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc) protection from corrosion) Second person was responsible for distribution and access control. Probably he approved shipping from factory or from another storage place --- After some thinking, there might be another possibility: the second person is technical controller. "k otk" might be the "department of technology checking" This seems most believable to me. Why is it so difficult to interpret? Bad handwriting? Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: ArsenShnurkov on June 13, 2012, 06:13:33 PM Why is it so difficult to interpret? Bad handwriting? Because too little information I see. I don't know the exact process, but the people who made this paper had that knowledge. So they have more context to understand that writings. Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: bb113 on June 13, 2012, 06:57:21 PM From the person who found it:
Quote interesting. the ammo came in a wooden sealed crate. inside the wooden crate were two metal, sealed tins with the ammo inside. the metal was covered in some sort of white powdery residue. is some areas there seemed to be less of this residue and this is also where slight surface rust appeared on the sealed tins. the slip of paper was sitting on top of the two tins. if it is an inspection slip of sort, it wouldn't be the first time i've found one. just never a hand written one like this. i'll dig out another one. Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: check_status on June 13, 2012, 07:50:50 PM I see 6 words
The bottom line states: I amm Kaput It's written on a brown grocery store bag paper with purple ink. A ball point pen was not used, possibly a fountain pen. Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2012, 09:41:52 PM I see 6 words The bottom line states: I amm Kaput It's written on a brown grocery store bag paper with purple ink. A ball point pen was not used, possibly a fountain pen. Neat observation about the use of a fountain pen. Now that you've brought it up, it explains the dark areas in the letters as if stopping, then restating after a refill. The tip of the pen would have been heavy-laden with ink until the writing process commenced anew. I keep thinking about the shirt image I posted above. Although it was a joke at the time, I envision it being worn at certain functions, i.e. OWS, and when somebody ask what is means, one can honestly reply, "If you don't know, then I can't tell you." I would suggest two major changes though: not yellow and a very small Bitcoin logo place about the same place you would see a Playboy Bunny logo on said brand shirts. If the conversation seems to end without being ask further questions, kindly state that it's Bitcoin related, whereupon a whole dialog is now started about Bitcoin. If the Russian message is revisited, either still state you can't relay the message and/or point them to this thread. Therefore, if this idea ever comes to fruition, and somebody is now reading this post because they saw such a shirt, remember that it was my (Bruno) idea and not Matthew's. ~Bruno~ Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2012, 09:55:13 PM For comparisonpurposes: http://masterrussian.net/f13/russian-handwriting-feedback-examples-wanted-15626/
Origianal: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2221/4518888810_1a90684dfe.jpg User of linked forum post: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6185/111vk.jpg User's wife: http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5476/scanitto3.jpg User's seven-year-old son: http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4812/scanitto4.jpg Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: check_status on June 14, 2012, 02:02:59 AM Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: Stn on June 14, 2012, 03:08:34 AM First line: "Oshinovshich" -- surname
Second line: "Rodionov" -- another surname Third line: "k o... Kari..." -- "Kari..." is the signature with end of surname degraded to pen stroke "k o..." -- illegible, most likely rank or position. Probably "commander of squad" Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: bb113 on June 14, 2012, 10:38:46 AM So the most plausible story is Rodionov was responsible for galvanizing the ammo cans, and the cheif of QC signed off on his work. The white powder found on the cans is some white rust (http://www.ingal.com.au/IGSM/46.htm). Makes sense to me, that last line does look like "I amm Kaput" though.
Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 14, 2012, 04:12:02 PM So why was the letter written in long-hand with a fountain pen on a brown paper bag. I'm sorry, but I believe something nefarious is at hand here. I'm now conducting an investigation to get to the bottom of this "supposed" letter.
~Bruno~ Update: I just found this photo. Does anybody recognize anybody at this Russian ammo factory? http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/662595-4/261-600x430 Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: bb113 on June 14, 2012, 04:58:50 PM Here are some more. They are from ammo cans manufactured in the 1970s and appear to use stamps rather than handwriting:
https://i.imgur.com/pty5T.jpg Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: bb113 on June 14, 2012, 05:24:58 PM So why was the letter written in long-hand with a fountain pen on a brown paper bag. I'm sorry, but I believe something nefarious is at hand here. I'm now conducting an investigation to get to the bottom of this "supposed" letter. ~Bruno~ Perhaps that is just what 50 year old paper looks like. No idea on the fountain pen, the last line did look like different handwriting to me. Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: 2112 on June 14, 2012, 05:42:30 PM Perhaps that is just what 50 year old paper looks like. No idea on the fountain pen, This could be written not with fountain pen but with a "copying pencil" (a.k.a. "indelible pencil", "ink pencil", "chemical pencil"). In that case the dye would be methyl blue. If this is from 1947 from Soviet Union this would be highly likely. Title: Re: What does this say? (possibly in russian) Post by: vampire on June 14, 2012, 06:42:22 PM Ok, I was right about the profession...... Now we have the (almost, aside from the signature) complete text:
Oшинoвщик Poдиoнoв к oтк Кapeeв |
