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So, this happen a couple days ago.
This user on facebook called InDa Moon came talking to me saying he wanted to buy my forum account.
Here is what happen next.
Forum user Verification (InDa Moon) offered me 200 usd in bitcoins for access to my forum account, with another 200 usd in a week. He also offered me 2% of every trade he did just for being able to deal in the 'higher tiers', since I've been on this forum for the longest time.

I accepted his offer, with only one request "Don't ask for any loans.", he accepted on the spot.
I gave him access to the forum account.
Got the 200 usd in btc.

Not 12 hours later I get a message from my good friend TECSHARE.
"Dude, are you online on the forums?"
"No, what's up?"
"I just received a 9k usd loan request from your account."

You guys can imagined what happen next. I went to confront user Verification about it. Not only he said I had nothing to do with the account, he actually ASKED FOR MY DOCUMENTS for the loan.

I immediately locked him out of the account.
Verification has a friend called shipitbuddy, who defended him left and right even knowing his friend was completely wrong. He even said he was sorry, than went back on his word.

Just a heads up to everyone on the forums.

This guy owe me 200 worth in BTC I didnt want to scam him or ask for a REAL LOAN. Since i didnt change as promised any of the passwords. He kept 400 tickets into the MTGO ACCOUNT who I already get a refund for them. And still owe me 0.541 BTC I paid for using both accounts. And also I didnt ask for his docs, IM NOT AN IDIOT, He's a REAL SCUMB BAG. I totally understand that TECSHARE did many trades with him and he'sayng he's trust whorty. But this guy has my money. AND I WANT IT BACK.

Alright I will not be in the middle of anything here.

All I know is this, none of you guys completed you'r deal.

I'm a close friend of Verification in real life and tryng to help I'm getting pissed off my own reputation.

So I'm out of all of this.

Also It wasnt dont ask for any loan JUST DONT TAKE LOANED MONEY FROM MY ACCOUNT THAT I WASNT GOING TO.
Cuz if i did want i just would change the passwords and kept all the account please someone with half of a brain help me here. I'm being rapped in front of everyone. POST THE WHOLE FACEBOOK CONVERSATION SCUMB BAG. Prove the community that ur wrong. It may was something like a scam I UNDERSTAND.

BUT IT WAS NOT, NOW IM DOWN 200 USD WITH THIS LIAR.
HE BLOCKED ME ON EVERYTHING WITHOUT LETTING ME SAY A SINGLE WORD.

I'M STILL WAITING YOU TO PAY ME BACK WHAT U OWE ME, CALLING MY A WANNA BE SCAMMER, WHEN YOU GOT 200 USD THAT BELONG TO ME, AND ALL THE ACCOUNTS PLUS 400 TICKETS.

SO WHATS GOING ON HERE.

I just wanted to chime in here and confirm what Niann is saying here. I got a PM from "Niann" (really Verification on his account) asking if I knew people who would give him a $9000 unsecured loan. I contacted Niann via alternative methods than the forum and asked him if he was in control of his account. He confirmed he was not and at that point I attempted to get the scammer to ID himself, or see if he would attempt to use Niann's actual personal details (at his request). He refused and then Niann (the real one) locked Verification out of his account. I then left a neutral trust rating on his account and he responded by accusing me of being an alt of Niann's and leaving negative trust. At this point I left a negative rating detailing his attempt at trying to acquire a loan under another users name. Additionally his buddy is PMing me threats because I put his username in the rating. All and all it seems pretty clear to me, having known Niann for several years and never feeling like he was up to anything suspect, and this random request for a large unsecured loan under someone else's name, that Verification isn't up to anything above board. Just wanted to put in my 2 cents since I actually received a PM request for the loan. This communication is posted below:

lending out an account? for 200$/month? seems scammy ;)
it'd be easier to just buy an hero account (and more trustworthy also, as mods are able to verify that its a sold one - at least with the escrow i used)

but Verification is right: you did not complete the deal and have to give back his money. at least some of it.. eg 30 days = 200$ 15 days=100$ or something...

if possible would be nice to post the pm aswell; should be confirmed by a mod and tecshare and you of course

EDIT: thanks TECSHARE

He violated the agreement in place by requesting large unsecured loans under his name(fraud). His payment is therefore void IMO.

usually if an aggreement is void payments have to be given back except if stated otherwise...

but its an IMHO... its just what i would do; "legally" doesnt really count here ;)

That PM is real it was me in Niann account , I'm do not lie, and I wasn't asking him for a real one, i was seeing what i can do with an account with that strong reputation since i've agreed to do not take any loan, also he says i asked him for the docs, if he posts the whole conversation on there you will be able to see i didnt.
AND I DIDNT.

I used the account for almost 24's thats almost 0.5 btc i will take back he can kept the 0.041 with no issues.

But here, he didnt let me explain anythingof course i  was able to lock the account changing email and passwords, something he doesnt understand. Im sure he does but now this is out of his hands.

I'm waiting to get my money back from you.

I've removed the bad rep from techsare rating since i was wrong is not ur alt account but my friend and i are beign pssied of by ur rants when this guy has my money, please someone who is with me here ? someone can explain if i would want to lock the account to me i was able to ?  thanks guys.

Maybe next time you shouldn't be a such a scamming shitbag.

YOU should just shut up.
its clear you wanted to scam - and your friend ... hm... sorry but i would never trade with the best friend of a scammer.

my reasoning is simple: just because you tried to scam, others are not allowed to scam you (but i dont decide if its a scam to not give the money back to you. that depends on to many factors i dont know)

imaging this: you lend a car, promise to not drive. you drive with it and you have an accident and the car is broken... would you expect you get the money back?

same here... you damaged Nianns account - at least you tried ;)

I didnt request any real loan, the aggrement was not taking any loan, if he shows the whole conversation , i had it too, i can do it about the mtgo account he said it was locked and he changed the passwords, i understand u felt tecshare im a scamemr but im not IT WAS ALL MY MONEY i work everyfking day to get one of this guys like Niann who i supposed it was trustwhorty person and it wasnt. He didnt honor the deal , and  i did since i didnt take any loan it wasnt dont ask to  dont take any loan. I GOT PROOF OF IT. CMON IM GOING TO SEE MY MONEY BACK OR WHAT ? seems like ur helping him to keep my money I DIDNT WANT TO SOUND LIKE AN SCAM CUZ IT WASNT.


LOL AT THE REPLYS OF COURSE I WAS ABLE TO KEPT THE ACCOUNT AND I DIDNT SO WHATS GOING ON ? I DIDNT WANT TO SCAM ANYONE.

HE'S ACCOUNT IS NOT DAMAGED.

Actually it does count, not only by forum rules but by local law. Additionally this distinction is important because it is how contract law is ruled (technically what their agreement was, although informal).  He did in fact have use of the account for 12 hours and potentially caused damages by requesting fraudulent loans under his name after explicitly being told loans were not allowed.  If you rent a room and you trash the place, and leave the landlord is not obligated to pay you back, because you violated your lease by damaging the residence. Niann honored the agreement until Verification chose to break it by attempting to acquire a large loan under someone else's username. IMO that seems to me that in this case under established contract law Verification violated the agreement and no longer has any rights under it.

note: I posted the quoted conversation above in its entirety.

did you wrote that:
Of course I will ID myself with no issues, the amount i need complete in FIAT is $9000 ( A lot of money ) The repayment is about 6 months giving back a 7% of the amount,
????

you damaged his account because its now public knowledge that he is willing to lend it out for money. if i would make a bigger deal with him (never had before) i would double-check

my car sample changed my mind and i think you are right now.
i would go even that far to say that he HAD damaged Nianns account because its now public knowledge that he will lend out his account for money

Niann damaged his own account by lending it out for money. You can't blame anyone else for it.

Yes  i did.  was able to do anything but not take a loan, whats wrong ? I didnt break any of the ToC of the deal he kept all my money on the accounts. No problems calling my a scammer or anything such as it but i want my money and i will stay away of this for my entire life. This is not cool guys. I totally understand that he felt i was going to scam but I WASNT

So trying to acquire fraudulent loans isn't damage? Lets not forget the order of events here. It may not have been very smart, but it is not against the rules (that I know of). Under the terms of the agreement between the 2 of them, he was first to violate the agreement.

he made it only public because he wanted to make others aware of a scammer...
thats nice of him. nobody (except maybe mods) knows how many people he contacted and asked for a loan

Belive me i just talkt with this guy TECHSHARE AND SOMEONE ELSE WHO I KNOW IS A KNOWN SCAMMER CHRISSLOPEZ about a PAYPAL TRANSACTION that I WASNT GOING TO MADE.

All I want to know is should i never log in again here ? I'm going to get paid back ? or what ? please niann reply .Im not liyng but i feel rapped for 200 usd that was all my money i dont understand how doesnt anyone belive if i wanted to keep the account by changing the info i would. when he asked my what happened i did tell but he blocked me. Please what should i do now ?

s/lawyer/grow/ up

Please some serious response .. I lost all my money on hes hand ? so i'm the one who is scammed here ? its all alright but im not liyng and i got the complete conversation.

Regardless, lending out your account is bad for trust. Saying that the damage is done only when someone else published that is silly.

Of course, Niann was placed between a rock and hard place because someone else used their account in a way they didn't approve of... After that their choice was to either make it known that they rent out their account or risk being linked to some $9000 dollar loans.

ok looks like i lose my money. enjoy the money Niann hope it helps you to buy something that will take you out of the hell when u die. see you

This whole line of reasoning is irrelevant. These two made an agreement. Verification violated it. Therefore he has no more rights under that agreement correct?

no, because if the agreement is void the payment has to be given back.

its the same with returning a good you dont like back to store and requesting back your money (at least this works where i live... dont know about other countries)

the only way for the "store" to not repay is if the good is damaged.

I didn't make any statement about the actual deal. I just responded to the claim that Verification damaged the trust of the account. My view on it is that Niann damaged their trust themselves.

I don't really feel like making a statement on the actual agreement or whether it was violated by any party simply because I don't know the details. Also I feel it is unlikely that Verification and Niann will find a compromise that will settle this issue no matter how "lawyering" anyone does.

No. the agreement was not resolved mutually. Verification VIOLATED the agreement (ie broke the contract) meaning it is void, and he has no protections under it.

"Any kind of contract may be considered broken ("breached") once one party unconditionally refuses to perform under the contract as promised, regardless of when performance is supposed to take place. This unconditional refusal is known as a "repudiation" of a contract.

Once one party to a contract indicates--either through words or actions--that it's not going to perform its contract obligations, the other party can immediately claim a breach of contract (failure to perform under the contract) and seek remedies such as payment. This is sometimes called an anticipatory breach of contract. Read on to learn more about the concepts of repudiation and anticipatory breach of contract. (For more information on disputes involving breach of contract, see Nolo's article Breach of Contract: Material Breach.)"

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/breach-of-contract-anticipatory-breach-32653.html

i must admit as english is not my native english i dont fully understand your link; but i tried.

AFAIK we agree that Niann does not have to pay back beacuse of the "damaged" user-account (btw who wrote the first neg-trust? Niann or Verification)?
imho it doesnt matter who made it public, because the scam action by verification in itself is the damage.

for our other discussion:i can only say as far as german law goes, there a two possibilites:

 - contract-law (B2B only): you have to explicit write down what happens if one party breaches the contract. otherwise the contract is just void and stopped in its current state (means: if the payment is already made he can keep it, if not he wont get it).

 - customer buying something in an online store from a company:
the company has to give back the money if the customer comes back before two weeks. the only reason why the company can refuse to pay back is if the good is damaged

i dont know what happens in a customer2customer trade or if there are differences. in many cases german courts said that any ebay-seller is a shop (even if he just sells one item) - so i guess(!) we could say Niann acted as a company or store in this case.

btw the same is different for lending: in this case Niann could go after user verification to get what its account is worth (i've sold a hero account for about 1BTC so maybe he has even a claim for more)

This is pretty much my conclusion. Verification should probably just be happy Niann has no interest in having him sent to prison. Requesting loans as another person for $9000 is enough to get you jail time in most countries. As far as Niann being a "shop" he was providing a service, so its not as if it could be returned for a refund. 

I completely agree with what you guys said, I damaged my own trust, and that is my fault, not anyone elses.
It was my fault for believing the guy saying he wanted to do good business.

This account will NEVER be in control of anyone else besides me from now on, I too have learned my lesson from this.
I just want to clear out the air and let everyone know that I had messages on the entire time, and I checked them right after I got home and I saw TECSHARE's message. So I was completely aware of what was happening.

Cheers, and thank you guys.