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Title: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: chipmadness on December 01, 2014, 07:55:27 AM
Okay I know this might be a very off-topic subject, but it is related to Bitcoin.

I do not know if you guys know about the conspiracy, "New World Order"

If you do not know what the New World Order is:

As a conspiracy theory, the term New World Order or NWO refers to the emergence of a totalitarian world government.

The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda that makes the establishment of the New World Order the culmination of history's progress and an ideology. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an unduly influential cabal that operates through many front organizations. Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an ongoing plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Now here is the question:

Is the New World Order happening? Are we all turning into one government? If so, is Bitcoin going to be the currency of the 'New World'? Is Bitcoin a setup into the New World?

Share your opinion!


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: turvarya on December 01, 2014, 08:20:37 AM
I have one big problem with this new world order-conspiracy theory.
Do you really believe, that everyone with influence is working together with everyone else?
I mean there clearly have to be many people, with high influence in certain areas.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: chipmadness on December 01, 2014, 08:57:31 AM
I have one big problem with this new world order-conspiracy theory.
Do you really believe, that everyone with influence is working together with everyone else?
I mean there clearly have to be many people, with high influence in certain areas.

Its a conspiracy, its very interesting to think all this. There is endless information out there about the New World Order. It all depends on what your into I guess! There is one thing Bitcoin is stopping from the New World Order and that is regulation on the currency. If the world changes and we become one, then we will have a very strict government. Everything will be regulated and our kids and our kids kids will be brain washed mutants walking around believing god knows what. But we all know, Bitcoin will be regulated some day in the future and all this anonymous stuff will be pointless, but with Bitcoin there is ways to bypass this regulation. It all depends on the technology people will use in the future. We have Tor Wallets and we have DarkWallet now. I am sure what ever the future holds, there is always going to be a way to bypass everything. Regulation is fine and I can see why we have it, but in today's world, regulation is hardcore and a bit insane! Oh look, this guy just put $50,000 into his bank account? Were did he get this money?! Its bad, I don't think the goverment knows that there is 'old money' out there and some families have millions buried in their backyards. There is people out there still that believe in burying their money..... How can we do this with bitcoin? Oh wait, its already done! Cold storage.

Bitcoin is purely amazing! lol I love everything about it.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: chipmadness on December 01, 2014, 09:00:21 AM
I have one big problem with this new world order-conspiracy theory.
Do you really believe, that everyone with influence is working together with everyone else?
I mean there clearly have to be many people, with high influence in certain areas.

Its a conspiracy, its very interesting to think all this. There is endless information out there about the New World Order. It all depends on what your into I guess! There is one thing Bitcoin is stopping from the New World Order and that is regulation on the currency. If the world changes and we become one, then we will have a very strict government. Everything will be regulated and our kids and our kids kids will be brain washed mutants walking around believing god knows what. But we all know, Bitcoin will be regulated some day in the future and all this anonymous stuff will be pointless, but with Bitcoin there is ways to bypass this regulation. It all depends on the technology people will use in the future. We have Tor Wallets and we have DarkWallet now. I am sure what ever the future holds, there is always going to be a way to bypass everything. Regulation is fine and I can see why we have it, but in today's world, regulation is hardcore and a bit insane! Oh look, this guy just put $50,000 into his bank account? Were did he get this money?! Its bad, I don't think the goverment knows that there is 'old money' out there and some families have millions buried in their backyards. There is people out there still that believe in burying their money..... How can we do this with bitcoin? Oh wait, its already done! Cold storage.

Bitcoin is purely amazing! lol I love everything about it.

I kind of got off topic with Bitcoin regulation, but anyways; Who else here thinks Bitcoin could be the currency of the New World? Are we slowly changing and we just have not noticed it yet? Its a bit crazy... Take some time and think; post your thoughts below!


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: hilariousandco on December 01, 2014, 09:05:36 AM
New World Order? Never heard of it.  :D

If the illuminati or whatever you want to call 'them' was going to use a currency it wouldn't be a decentralised one but a centralised one that they could issue, control and manipulate. Something as libertarian as bitcoin wouldn't sit well with any government especially not the One World one.

I have one big problem with this new world order-conspiracy theory.
Do you really believe, that everyone with influence is working together with everyone else?
I mean there clearly have to be many people, with high influence in certain areas.

I don't believe in the illuminati in the usual conspiratorial sense, but there are corporations and institutions that profit immensely from things like war etc so those with money will try to influence those with power to gain more of both. War corporatism is a very real thing and the banks, oil and arms industry benefit immensly from meddling in it.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Furio on December 01, 2014, 09:07:42 AM
Okay I know this might be a very off-topic subject, but it is related to Bitcoin.

I do not know if you guys know about the conspiracy, "New World Order"

If you do not know what the New World Order is:

As a conspiracy theory, the term New World Order or NWO refers to the emergence of a totalitarian world government.

The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda that makes the establishment of the New World Order the culmination of history's progress and an ideology. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an unduly influential cabal that operates through many front organizations. Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an ongoing plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Now here is the question:

Is the New World Order happening? Are we all turning into one government? If so, is Bitcoin going to be the currency of the 'New World'? Is Bitcoin a setup into the New World?

Share your opinion!

The new world order has been here since the 80ties man, it's all under control, from 9/11 to the fall of Libia and the mddle east and the third gulf war. It's all been carefully planned, not because of oil, human right, but control over the money supply, look up the petrol dollar and everything will fall into place....


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: chipmadness on December 01, 2014, 09:19:31 AM
This is a topic that could never end! This is so interesting to see everyone's opinion, but just think. Do you guys think the government could manipulate the Bitcoin network?


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: redsn0w on December 01, 2014, 09:23:05 AM
I've never heard the "New World Order" and I don't think it is related with the bitcoin protocol. I also don't think the governments can't "control" in any way the btc, maybe they can create a various "DUMP" situation but they cannot control it on the technical side.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: chipmadness on December 01, 2014, 09:31:53 AM
I've never heard the "New World Order" and I don't think it is related with the bitcoin protocol. I also don't think the governments can't "control" in any way the btc, maybe they can create a various "DUMP" situation but they cannot control it on the technical side.

Yeah I don't think they could control the technical side. But if a New World Order does happen, cryptocurrency would be one of the first things banned for sure and I could see the government manipulating their own kind of digital currency like Bitcoin. But the main point is:

The New World Order is the whole world becoming one and we all run under one ruler/goverment. Also meaning, one currency. Could Bitcoin be the next transition into a New World Order Currency? We currently do not have a world currency other than gold. Bitcoin in my opinion in the transition into a global currency that will be regulated by the top main governments: China, Russia, U.S, Canada, etc.....


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: redsn0w on December 01, 2014, 09:41:02 AM
I've never heard the "New World Order" and I don't think it is related with the bitcoin protocol. I also don't think the governments can't "control" in any way the btc, maybe they can create a various "DUMP" situation but they cannot control it on the technical side.

Yeah I don't think they could control the technical side. But if a New World Order does happen, cryptocurrency would be one of the first things banned for sure and I could see the government manipulating their own kind of digital currency like Bitcoin. But the main point is:

The New World Order is the whole world becoming one and we all run under one ruler/goverment. Also meaning, one currency. Could Bitcoin be the next transition into a New World Order Currency? We currently do not have a world currency other than gold. Bitcoin in my opinion in the transition into a global currency that will be regulated by the top main governments: China, Russia, U.S, Canada, etc.....

If they want to ban it the have first to ban the internet. The bitcoin protocol works over the internet connection, and it is better then gold because it is "immaterial" and without "weight" so you can send it in all the world without any cost ( only ~0.01 $ of fee) and without any restriction.

Bitcoin is the currency of this world not of a new world order , we don't need any more the "pression" of the governments. We can control our economy and especially our coin.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: hilariousandco on December 01, 2014, 09:48:21 AM
If they want to ban it the have first to ban the internet. The bitcoin protocol works over the internet connection, and it is better then gold because it is "immaterial" and without "weight" so you can send it in all the world without any cost ( only ~0.01 $ of fee) and without any restriction.

They can still ban it without literally stopping it or shutting down the Internet. For instance, drugs are banned and the plants they come from are generally illegal to grow yet the activity of producing, selling and taking them still happens. The comparison is also apt because if they did try ban it they would ultimately fail in doing so and regulation wouldn't kill its use either but just push it underground and create a thriving black market.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: bitkilo on December 01, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
New world order actually existing is rare indeed, i'm sure there are many powerfull people in the world like the royal familys of a few countries and other poweful leaders who all think they run things everywhere but not many of these people get along at the best of times, probably due to their egos.
If they did create btc then it would already be bigger that it is.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: redsn0w on December 01, 2014, 09:57:47 AM
If they want to ban it the have first to ban the internet. The bitcoin protocol works over the internet connection, and it is better then gold because it is "immaterial" and without "weight" so you can send it in all the world without any cost ( only ~0.01 $ of fee) and without any restriction.

They can still ban it without literally stopping it or shutting down the Internet. For instance, drugs are banned and the plants they come from are generally illegal to grow yet the activity of producing, selling and taking them still happens. The comparison is also apt because if they did try ban it they would ultimately fail in doing so and regulation wouldn't kill its use either but just push it underground and create a thriving black market.

Yes , you're right. They can try to ban it but at the end they cannot. However I don't think they will ban it firstly , 1) the will try to control it , 2) they try to regulate it and 3)then they try to ban it.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Jamie_Boulder on December 01, 2014, 10:53:08 AM
If they want to ban it the have first to ban the internet. The bitcoin protocol works over the internet connection, and it is better then gold because it is "immaterial" and without "weight" so you can send it in all the world without any cost ( only ~0.01 $ of fee) and without any restriction.

They can still ban it without literally stopping it or shutting down the Internet. For instance, drugs are banned and the plants they come from are generally illegal to grow yet the activity of producing, selling and taking them still happens. The comparison is also apt because if they did try ban it they would ultimately fail in doing so and regulation wouldn't kill its use either but just push it underground and create a thriving black market.

Yes , you're right. They can try to ban it but at the end they cannot. However I don't think they will ban it firstly , 1) the will try to control it , 2) they try to regulate it and 3)then they try to ban it.
Technically they can't ban it but placing a ban will do enough damage to drop the average persons interest (which is our target audience).


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: ikydesu on December 01, 2014, 11:26:55 AM
Now here is the question:

Is the New World Order happening? Are we all turning into one government? If so, is Bitcoin going to be the currency of the 'New World'? Is Bitcoin a setup into the New World?

Share your opinion!

Yes One government, but actually seen there are some but who control is only one.
i think Bitcoin is difficult to sabotage, and Bitcoin stand-alone. Bitcoin has nothing to do with 'New world Order'.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Q7 on December 01, 2014, 11:29:17 AM
One thing I would like to point out is that if I'm the rich in the elite group then by all means "maintain" the current system already in place so that I can continue to manipulate and get richer and richer. So why do I need a New World Order for? To create equality??? That would mean I'm losing out so why go against the flow that has given me the advantages all these times. And how does that relate to bitcoin existence???? I still don't get it.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Furio on December 01, 2014, 11:37:30 AM
One thing I would like to point out is that if I'm the rich in the elite group then by all means "maintain" the current system already in place so that I can continue to manipulate and get richer and richer. So why do I need a New World Order for? To create equality??? That would mean I'm losing out so why go against the flow that has given me the advantages all these times. And how does that relate to bitcoin existence???? I still don't get it.

The new world order is the illusion of equality, yet the masses are just sheep and laborers for the new world order. Slavery was never abolished, yet it was made to include all races --> capitalism --> manipulation to think we want it, yet we're al chasing money, while all the resources are here to construct a world without money and inequality...


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Flashman on December 01, 2014, 01:41:49 PM
Oh come on, that's just the halfassed version...

I like the one where it's the Reptilians from Zeta Reticuli demanding that Earth be centrally governed by an elite who will be spared the coming harvest. In the meantime they have to get us cowed, imprisoned and disarmed so we're easier to round up.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Amevalentine on December 01, 2014, 02:07:54 PM
As the title of conspiracy, it seems never to be deal.
As some country have different regulation about money overstock and trading.
 


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: BTCLuke on December 01, 2014, 07:18:00 PM
1. If the NWO exists and wants to control the money supply, the USD is perfect for them, since the Fed's shareholders are anonymous, and they can print as much as they want.

2. Even if the NWO is at the top of our socioeconomic pyramid, YOU aren't at the bottom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4nSjPdT788 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4nSjPdT788)


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Wilikon on December 01, 2014, 07:40:54 PM
Okay I know this might be a very off-topic subject, but it is related to Bitcoin.

I do not know if you guys know about the conspiracy, "New World Order"

If you do not know what the New World Order is:

As a conspiracy theory, the term New World Order or NWO refers to the emergence of a totalitarian world government.

The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda that makes the establishment of the New World Order the culmination of history's progress and an ideology. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an unduly influential cabal that operates through many front organizations. Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an ongoing plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Now here is the question:

Is the New World Order happening? Are we all turning into one government? If so, is Bitcoin going to be the currency of the 'New World'? Is Bitcoin a setup into the New World?

Share your opinion!


The NWO is, according to the conspiracy, a very tight and centralized small group of people who want total control of the world for themselves.

Is this the definition of bitcoin or its antithesis?

Think.

Bitcoin is the counter poison for the NWO.






Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: btcxyzzz on December 01, 2014, 07:56:46 PM
...what is mind-puzzling for me is that Bitcoin gets more positive and positive tones from mainstream media. Something's fishy.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Flashman on December 01, 2014, 09:28:30 PM
Yah they need to build it up before they knock it down again, sells ad space. They are probably working on setting up a nice juicy politically involved sex ring for bitcoin story.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: chipmadness on December 02, 2014, 02:33:33 AM
will i be able to have a bitcoin wallet on the rfid microchip they'll implant into me (when we all get lined up for our ebola vaccines)?  if i don't comply will they turn my chip off?

http://www.rapidinventory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/barcode-tattoo-wrist-Favim.com-285124.jpg

Maybe we are all thinking it wrong. Maybe time will be more valuable in the future than anything else. Lets get Justin Timberlake to save us!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efNzhEKm3w4


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: chipmadness on December 02, 2014, 02:37:23 AM
The government can definitely kill Bitcoin. If Bitcoin becomes illegal, the reputation and value of Bitcoin will then fall and be forgotten in the long run. Yeah there will be people who will secretly use it, kind of like drugs, but drugs are addictive; Bitcoin is not addictive.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Snail2 on December 02, 2014, 09:21:03 AM
I don't think that NWO or any govt would accept Bitcoin as their own currency, however the BTC protocol (or something similar) after some modifications (reversible transactions, colored/marked coins, blacklists, non anonymous wallets) would be the wet dream of any authoritarian system, so I see a bright feature for cryptos :).

BTC (or something similar) could be the currency of the resistance, underground markets and the mob... after some modifications like full anonymity of course :).


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: numismatist on December 02, 2014, 12:17:14 PM
Now here is the question:

Is the New World Order happening? Are we all turning into one government? If so, is Bitcoin going to be the currency of the 'New World'? Is Bitcoin a setup into the New World?
Hardly. Looks like more and more dilluting into a state of chaos. States formerly beeing whole fall apart into twos, with an additional inofficial government. Examples wanted? Take a look at Syria, Ukraine, Irak, Lybia ... to be continued.
The exact opposite development. Bitcoin is one of the bridges left that can transfer across these abysses. If you are living in a failed state, and don't know how to transfer currency value across the border, BTC is one that still works.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: blablahblah on December 02, 2014, 01:24:36 PM
Has anyone considered that the "New World" simply refers to the Americas? Just like "old world" wines are from classic European regions and the "new world" wines are from the colonies.

So in that context, "New World Order" would just be big-headed Yanks gloating about US dominance over the rest of the world.

IMO the "Order" would simply be the combination of economic and monetary policies, treaties and agreements, military alliances, science and technology, and mainstream culture.

A "world government" would simply be superficial re-branding of the status quo. They, the US, basically are the world government by virtue of having the most power. There's no point in expecting a more dominant government to appear because the global anarchy doesn't work that way, except perhaps during a transition period.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Elwar on December 02, 2014, 03:45:14 PM
If Alex Jones is against it, then it is not part of the New World Order. He is their mouthpiece.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Furio on December 02, 2014, 08:26:51 PM
The government can definitely kill Bitcoin. If Bitcoin becomes illegal, the reputation and value of Bitcoin will then fall and be forgotten in the long run. Yeah there will be people who will secretly use it, kind of like drugs, but drugs are addictive; Bitcoin is not addictive.

My biggest fear for Crypto as a whole... The only way to outrun it, is to make it so easy and safe that adoption will happen sooner then prohibition. Ones it's adopted by the masses, propaganda against Bitcoin has less chance, because people know otherwise.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: chipmadness on December 03, 2014, 03:09:00 AM
The government should give us at least one thing of total freedom and that should be this global digital currency called BITCOIN!


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: ne0futur on December 03, 2014, 01:31:28 PM
it might be conspiracy, who knows. i wonder how many btc landed to gambling sites. i believe most % of BTC is used for gambling and dark things in our days. there is not much you can do with it.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: hdbuck on December 04, 2014, 08:47:59 AM
The government can definitely kill Bitcoin. If Bitcoin becomes illegal, the reputation and value of Bitcoin will then fall and be forgotten in the long run. Yeah there will be people who will secretly use it, kind of like drugs, but drugs are addictive; Bitcoin is not addictive.

My biggest fear for Crypto as a whole... The only way to outrun it, is to make it so easy and safe that adoption will happen sooner then prohibition. Ones it's adopted by the masses, propaganda against Bitcoin has less chance, because people know otherwise.

bitcoin is antifragile. the more they'll attack it, the stronger it will become.
but then, it could also be NSA's trojan horse.

edit: the thing about NSA is that they are intellectually above politics and banks. they understand things their archaical fathers dont. so i believe it to be the new generation of rulers. stealthier but kinda less greedy.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: Flashman on December 04, 2014, 12:19:26 PM
edit: the thing about NSA is that they are intellectually above politics and banks. they understand things their archaical fathers dont. so i believe it to be the new generation of rulers. stealthier but kinda less greedy.

It's true that they do seem to have a few "Boy Scouts" who hate the politicians as much as we do. But I don't think you can rely on complete altruism from them.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theory of Bitcoin
Post by: hdbuck on December 04, 2014, 01:06:42 PM
edit: the thing about NSA is that they are intellectually above politics and banks. they understand things their archaical fathers dont. so i believe it to be the new generation of rulers. stealthier but kinda less greedy.

It's true that they do seem to have a few "Boy Scouts" who hate the politicians as much as we do. But I don't think you can rely on complete altruism from them.

i said less greedy. not altruist. because to fully excercise power/control you dont want to be blinded with excessive greed. otherwise people will just retaliate at some point. like kinda what is happening/going to happen.

edit: as sir francis bacon puts it: "knowledge is power"

and in advanced technological times.. politics and banksters will become obsolete. power to teh internetz :)