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Title: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: bitcoindaddy on June 16, 2012, 11:54:36 AM
It shows them burning in the unit at Eclipse pool with userid burnin_butterfly_labs.

http://www.butterflylabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IMG_3155.jpg



Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: Entropy-uc on June 16, 2012, 12:30:16 PM
I'm all for busting BFL's balls, but so what?

As long as they aren't holding shipments back to mine I don't see anything wrong with doing real mining for burn in.  It's even possible that they might find problems that would otherwise slip through.



Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: galambo on June 16, 2012, 12:34:59 PM
This isn't proof of anything. Not even that BFL exists.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: ice_chill on June 16, 2012, 12:44:59 PM
More a demonstration of a MiniRig in action then anything else.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: bulanula on June 16, 2012, 01:58:36 PM
Who gives a rat's tail mate ?

Could be testnet coins for all I know !

Just deliver them rigs already !


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: sadpandatech on June 16, 2012, 02:15:51 PM
1 burnin  14631221


thats 14mil shares..

think what ya want about it..


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: bulanula on June 16, 2012, 02:31:48 PM
1 burnin  14631221


thats 14mil shares..

think what ya want about it..

Where do you see 14 million shares ???

I see it started at 15 June so not mining like mad !

The stats on the website for EMC ? Please share !

At 25 ghash/s 14 million shares is nothing ...


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: crazyates on June 16, 2012, 02:47:52 PM
That screenshot only shows them mining for about 4-5 minutes or so.

A: 1595

E: 362.1/m

Not a very long time. I would assume they have to verify that it works in the real world...


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: Cablez on June 16, 2012, 02:56:59 PM
If you are a member of eclipse you can see the top miner is called burnin running at about the speed of a mini-rig. They have around 14mil shares thus far.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: bulanula on June 16, 2012, 02:57:35 PM
If you are a member of eclipse you can see the top miner is called burnin running at about the speed of a mini-rig. They have around 14mil shares thus far.

Mind giving a screenshot ? Not that I don't believe you but I don't want to register with that pool.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: sadpandatech on June 16, 2012, 03:26:17 PM
If you are a member of eclipse you can see the top miner is called burnin running at about the speed of a mini-rig. They have around 14mil shares thus far.

Mind giving a screenshot ? Not that I don't believe you but I don't want to register with that pool.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa367/titusvilletech/eclipse/clipse-butterfly.jpg


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: bulanula on June 16, 2012, 03:29:45 PM
WOW. They really are making a boat load of $$$ these dudes.

So far it looks like they made 440 BTC or 2800 USD off the rig just by testing ???

15 000 000 / 362 utility = Looks like they mined for 30 days straight !!!


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: dave3 on June 16, 2012, 03:32:18 PM
You don't know for sure if that's them, but assuming it is, that could be the account they use for all testing.  So the total could be for all of the products they've tested to date.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: sadpandatech on June 16, 2012, 03:32:45 PM
WOW. They really are making a boat load of $$$ these dudes.

So far it looks like they made 440 BTC or 2800 USD off the rig just by testing ???

15 000 000 / 362 utility = Looks like they mined for 30 days straight !!!

to be fair to them it is quite possible that they use the same login for all their testing?

You don't know for sure if that's them, but assuming it is, that could be the account they use for all testing.  So the total could be for all of the products they've tested to date.


yes, we do know for sure that is them since it is the same prefix username as in the screenshot from them of them mining and with pool name int he screenshot as well. scroll up.....


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: Turbor on June 16, 2012, 03:33:41 PM
WOW. They really are making a boat load of $$$ these dudes.

So far it looks like they made 440 BTC or 2800 USD off the rig just by testing ???

15 000 000 / 362 utility = Looks like they mined for 30 days straight !!!

What a tragedy :D


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: bulanula on June 16, 2012, 03:34:51 PM
WOW. They really are making a boat load of $$$ these dudes.

So far it looks like they made 440 BTC or 2800 USD off the rig just by testing ???

15 000 000 / 362 utility = Looks like they mined for 30 days straight !!!

to be fair to them it is quite possible that they use the same login for all their testing?

I also thought about that but then if they had same account for all devices how would they see rejects and stuff from the pool side ???

Anyway, it looks like they make quite a lot just mining by themselves. 14 million shares is not nothing.

Also, seems Inaba is in on this game. Easyminer comes with EMC pool installed, they use his pool for testing.

This looks very dodgy to me but what do I know.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: sadpandatech on June 16, 2012, 03:37:46 PM
WOW. They really are making a boat load of $$$ these dudes.

So far it looks like they made 440 BTC or 2800 USD off the rig just by testing ???

15 000 000 / 362 utility = Looks like they mined for 30 days straight !!!

to be fair to them it is quite possible that they use the same login for all their testing?

I also thought about that but then if they had same account for all devices how would they see rejects and stuff from the pool side ???

Anyway, it looks like they make quite a lot just mining by themselves. 14 million shares is not nothing.

Also, seems Inaba is in on this game. Easyminer comes with EMC pool installed, they use his pool for testing.

This looks very dodgy to me but what do I know.

On the surface it seems kinda shady. But I think the connection with Inaba is just that he was someone close by that they could meet irl and felt comfortable using his service.


edit; for the record; I am not a BFL fanboy. have not and will not buy their products.....  And inaba's an asshole. ;p


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: crazyates on June 16, 2012, 04:58:26 PM
WOW. They really are making a boat load of $$$ these dudes.

So far it looks like they made 440 BTC or 2800 USD off the rig just by testing ???

15 000 000 / 362 utility = Looks like they mined for 30 days straight !!!

Or 30 rigs for 1 day each?


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: BFL on June 16, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
We use EasyMiner's built in evaluation function to burn test, not the live network.  Why?  Because the live network isn't a very good test.  Meaningful performance evaluation requires known problem sets with known results.  With live mining, you miss out on absolute confirmation of work.  Network inconsistencies further cloud performance testing metrics.  However, after units have been cleared, they're tested on a live pool connection as a last minute sanity check.  What you're looking at with that burn in account is the cumulative result of six months sanity check live testing.

Our primary objective is delivering product as soon as we can.  We do not hold product back for unnecessary burn time.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: sadpandatech on June 16, 2012, 05:07:35 PM
What you're looking at with that burn in account is the cumulative result of six months sanity check live testing.


That's kinda what we figured. Thanks for clarifying.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: crazyates on June 16, 2012, 05:20:54 PM
We do not hold product back for unnecessary burn time.

Translation: Quit ur bitchin!


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: Luke-Jr on June 16, 2012, 06:10:50 PM
What did people think? They test them on testnet? Why would they do that? IMO, the fact that they're tested by mining real Bitcoins is obvious :p


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: bitlane on June 16, 2012, 07:48:11 PM
Great. Now they are going to hide their account details on that pool....



Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: JWU42 on June 17, 2012, 01:18:15 AM
I guess we can start noting that just like the 832 Mh/s of the singles (which yields 816 Mh/s avg).  The individual cards seem to max our at 1492 Mh/s and will yield something nearer 1462 Mh/s.

So 25.2 Gh/s turns into 24.8 Gh/s...

Not sure where all the talk about over performing by 1 Gh/s is coming from.  They did do well on the power side, however....  ;D



Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: sadpandatech on June 17, 2012, 03:43:55 AM
I guess we can start noting that just like the 832 Mh/s of the singles (which yields 816 Mh/s avg).  The individual cards seem to max our at 1492 Mh/s and will yield something nearer 1462 Mh/s.

So 25.2 Gh/s turns into 24.8 Gh/s...

Not sure where all the talk about over performing by 1 Gh/s is coming from.  They did do well on the power side, however....  ;D



aye, I arrived at this number; 24526.24  on the max speed side.

I did so by counting the 14 shown on screen. 4 of which are at 1316 and the other 10 at 1492 max. That's roughly 28% of them at that 1316 speed. 28% of 17 = 4.76.  17 - 4.76 = 12.24

4.76*1316 = 6264~
12.24*1492 = 18262~

6264+18262 = 24,526~

The numbers he was reporting as being 1GH+ were from the average listed at the top of cgminer which is not very accurate in certain cases.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: JWU42 on June 17, 2012, 10:44:07 AM
Yes - The 5 sec average is not the average  ;D


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: BR0KK on June 17, 2012, 11:56:09 AM
Better they test them roughly on the network than sending them to custermers who then have to be betas ....


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: darkice on June 18, 2012, 01:21:10 PM
I am a minirig customer, and I say they can test, burn , mine or whatever they like to do to test the rigs before they send me, they have me blessings :)


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: MXRider on June 18, 2012, 01:44:39 PM
I am a minirig customer, and I say they can test, burn , mine or whatever they like to do to test the rigs before they send me, they have me blessings :)

You ordered six, right? Have you got them already?


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: darkice on June 18, 2012, 10:15:31 PM
I'll get em soon  ;D


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: mem on June 19, 2012, 01:20:50 AM
WOW. They really are making a boat load of $$$ these dudes.

So far it looks like they made 440 BTC or 2800 USD off the rig just by testing ???

15 000 000 / 362 utility = Looks like they mined for 30 days straight !!!

to be fair to them it is quite possible that they use the same login for all their testing?

I also thought about that but then if they had same account for all devices how would they see rejects and stuff from the pool side ???

Anyway, it looks like they make quite a lot just mining by themselves. 14 million shares is not nothing.

Also, seems Inaba is in on this game. Easyminer comes with EMC pool installed, they use his pool for testing.

This looks very dodgy to me but what do I know.

Yes Inaba is clearly in league with Satan BFL.

He will be here any minute screeching his support via long walls of text.


I am a minirig customer, and I say they can test, burn , mine or whatever they like to do to test the rigs before they send me, they have me blessings :)

Hey looks its Inaba's sock puppet - you can ask him any questions but every answer is the same "I invested $$$$, you're an idiot for not trusting BFL"


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: Luke-Jr on June 19, 2012, 01:37:51 AM
IMO, they like Inaba/EclipseMC because they offer automatic PayPal conversion. That's a killer feature for a lot of miners, I bet. Guess who are BFL's customers? Miners.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: mufa23 on June 19, 2012, 01:42:12 AM
https://i.imgur.com/TSzIh.gif
I fucking knew it! On page one, before I even clicked on page two, once I saw that there was evidence of BFL using Inaba's pool, I knew that mem would start another shitstorm.

Alright guys, I'll give you a run down what normally happens:
>Inaba has encountered a wild mem
>Inaba uses Logic
>mem counters his attack with Ignore Logic
>It's super effective!
>mem uses Rage
>...It's not very effective.
>Inaba uses Run...
>...got away safely.


Title: Re: Is this proof BFL mines real coins during testing?
Post by: darkice on June 20, 2012, 11:00:34 PM


I am a minirig customer, and I say they can test, burn , mine or whatever they like to do to test the rigs before they send me, they have me blessings :)

Hey looks its Inaba's sock puppet - you can ask him any questions but every answer is the same "I invested $$$$, you're an idiot for not trusting BFL"
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just quoting because I am unable to find anything logical to write here