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Title: "unknown" pools, 50% attack?
Post by: shmadz on June 16, 2012, 06:11:21 PM
disclaimer - I'm always hesitant to start a new thread, but I can't seem to search this forum efficiently, so if this is common knowledge then sorry or whatever.

on http://bitcoincharts.com/ right now, the hashrate distribution is showing "unknown" as now having greater than 50% of the total hashrate.

I have never before seen any one group reach 50+ percent, and although I don't understand how to execute a double-spend attack, I have heard that it requires controlling more than 50 percent of the network hashrate.

what does "unknown" mean? I understand that it's unlikely that all of that "unknown" is a single entity, but it is not impossible.

anyone want to clear all this up and allow me to sleep soundly? or should I just sell all my bitcoins right now?


Title: Re: "unknown" pools, 50% attack?
Post by: RyNinDaCleM on June 16, 2012, 06:28:08 PM
It's a combination of all solo miners and small, not well known pools.

Edit: This should be in the general mining subforum though.


Title: Re: "unknown" pools, 50% attack?
Post by: Realpra on June 16, 2012, 08:24:24 PM
He is right it's a bit much, who mines solo these days and how many small pools were created/gained traction in such a short time?

Abandon ship people - abandon ship!


Nah even if its an 51% attack it shouldn't hurt us too much.


Title: Re: "unknown" pools, 50% attack?
Post by: phorensic on June 16, 2012, 08:49:25 PM
Not to be *that guy*, but please search on this topic.  It comes up once a week and there is a really good reason why you see it and it is nothing to worry about.


Title: Re: "unknown" pools, 50% attack?
Post by: mav on June 16, 2012, 11:26:44 PM
disclaimer - I'm always hesitant to start a new thread, but I can't seem to search this forum efficiently, so if this is common knowledge then sorry or whatever.

on http://bitcoincharts.com/ right now, the hashrate distribution is showing "unknown" as now having greater than 50% of the total hashrate.

I have never before seen any one group reach 50+ percent, and although I don't understand how to execute a double-spend attack, I have heard that it requires controlling more than 50 percent of the network hashrate.

what does "unknown" mean? I understand that it's unlikely that all of that "unknown" is a single entity, but it is not impossible.

anyone want to clear all this up and allow me to sleep soundly? or should I just sell all my bitcoins right now?

The latest other thread on this topic of the many - this has been asked many times in the mining forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86223.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86223.0)

In summary

Bitcoincharts.com is not very accurate. Some of the unknown blocks are from known pools but called unknown.


Title: Re: "unknown" pools, 50% attack?
Post by: finway on June 17, 2012, 03:13:30 AM
Check this out, more accurate stats:
http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/chart.php


Title: Re: "unknown" pools, 50% attack?
Post by: shmadz on June 21, 2012, 11:20:22 PM
Check this out, more accurate stats:
http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/chart.php


Ahh, thank you finway, that looks like a much better chart!

... and sorry everyone else  :-*