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Title: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Elwar on December 02, 2014, 04:16:45 PM
From what I have seen, most conspiracy theories go something like this:


"Something is very bad. I will show you the bad things going on: <insert list of bad things here>"

"These people benefit from those bad things: <insert list of people that benefit from bad things>"

"Something happened that is bad that those people benefit from."

<Insert crazy huge leap in logic with no evidence to back up the theory>

Conclusion: "Those people made that bad thing happen."


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jaysabi on December 02, 2014, 05:13:16 PM
I think your theory of conspiracy theories supposes a lot more forethought to them than they usually get.


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Elwar on December 02, 2014, 05:22:19 PM
I think your theory of conspiracy theories supposes a lot more forethought to them than they usually get.

Perhaps it is a conspiracy...against conspiracy theories.


Use the formula to come up with your own conspiracy theory for a tragedy that you can think of.


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jaysabi on December 02, 2014, 05:40:47 PM
Use the formula to come up with your own conspiracy theory for a tragedy that you can think of.

I'll leave that for the folks with nothing better to do than imagine incredible reasons for to explain benign things. I'll just point out that it's a rare instance the highly educated are prone to such folly.


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: pedrog on December 02, 2014, 05:49:30 PM
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ff/ff39d9865b975e50204556b5a4f31a6015bb93968d2fb3391ae2a83bcc25c26d.jpg


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jyakulis on December 02, 2014, 05:50:29 PM
What conspiracies in particular are you referencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3elI6yMMk


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Brewins on December 02, 2014, 06:15:23 PM
All conspiracy theories in the sense of this topic explain everything and have answers. The theory explain everything in the reality, wit no doubts and no gradations.

Other legit theories that people call conspiracy theories don't have the explanation for everything, they rise hypothesis and known the truth behind many facts of the present and from the past have no known explanation, and will remain unexplained for long time, or maybe forever.

Since the world is dominated by secrets, let them be by the govern or by secret societies, if not by the sheer complication of the modern world, no one can make seriously study the modern world without conjecturing what is hidden and how to connect the numerous factors one can't study by a physical impossibility


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Elwar on December 02, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
What conspiracies in particular are you referencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3elI6yMMk

Pick a disaster...

Hindenburg, Titanic, 9/11, JFK...


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jaysabi on December 02, 2014, 06:24:19 PM
What conspiracies in particular are you referencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3elI6yMMk

Pick a disaster...

Hindenburg, Titanic, 9/11, JFK...

There's a Titanic conspiracy theory? This ought to be interesting...


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Elwar on December 02, 2014, 06:58:39 PM
What conspiracies in particular are you referencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3elI6yMMk

Pick a disaster...

Hindenburg, Titanic, 9/11, JFK...

There's a Titanic conspiracy theory? This ought to be interesting...

It started the World War, insurance fraud, the Federal Reserve was under attack by some rich patrons on the boat...on and on..


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jaysabi on December 02, 2014, 07:42:03 PM
What conspiracies in particular are you referencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3elI6yMMk

Pick a disaster...

Hindenburg, Titanic, 9/11, JFK...

There's a Titanic conspiracy theory? This ought to be interesting...

It started the World War, insurance fraud, the Federal Reserve was under attack by some rich patrons on the boat...on and on..

Those are great! (And by great, I mean terrible.) First, I've never heard of any of them. Second, the Titanic sank in 1912? Years before WWI started. Not sure how that one makes any sense at all. The Federal Reserve wasn't founded yet either, so that one doesn't make sense either. I particularly like the insurance fraud one though. That's fantastic!


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jyakulis on December 02, 2014, 09:40:53 PM
What conspiracies in particular are you referencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3elI6yMMk

Pick a disaster...

Hindenburg, Titanic, 9/11, JFK...

Did you see the passenger in the video? It's real footage...I've seen the black and white...just updated with 21st century video technology.


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jyakulis on December 02, 2014, 09:41:55 PM
What conspiracies in particular are you referencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3elI6yMMk

Pick a disaster...

Hindenburg, Titanic, 9/11, JFK...

There's a Titanic conspiracy theory? This ought to be interesting...

It started the World War, insurance fraud, the Federal Reserve was under attack by some rich patrons on the boat...on and on..

[conspiracy of an actual alt ending to the movie titantic]

Rose: Jack I'm flying!

(thinks to himself you got to be shitting me)

Jack: Really!??!?



KERPLUNK!!!!!!!!


(thinks to himself shit guess not)





Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Cameltoemcgee on December 02, 2014, 11:20:22 PM
I'm not saying that those conspiracies mentioned are true, but some are...

http://www.cracked.com/article_18955_6-crackpot-conspiracy-theories-that-actually-happened.html


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Elwar on December 03, 2014, 08:36:01 AM
I'm not saying that those conspiracies mentioned are true, but some are...

http://www.cracked.com/article_18955_6-crackpot-conspiracy-theories-that-actually-happened.html

And I tend to be open minded when it comes to alternative ways of looking at things.

But they usually lose me in step 2, the logical leap/lack of evidence portion.

They usually spend a lot of time on steps 1 and 3 to compensate.

Even in your article about things that "actually happened", they found that the government has done research into transmitting voices into someone's head. There is a huge leap from doing research and being able to transmit the numbers 1 to 10 to the government sending people messages to go kill someone.

The government does research on many things, they just came out with something that can "read your thoughts" (if you're in an MRI machine looking at pictures...being able to see your reaction to those pictures).

I worked for a company that had spent years and millions of dollars on ESP assassinations and ESP spying (back in the 70s). Just another instance where the government can be fooled by con artists just as easily as other people.


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jyakulis on December 03, 2014, 02:34:58 PM
I'm not saying that those conspiracies mentioned are true, but some are...

http://www.cracked.com/article_18955_6-crackpot-conspiracy-theories-that-actually-happened.html



The government does research on many things, they just came out with something that can "read your thoughts" (if you're in an MRI machine looking at pictures...being able to see your reaction to those pictures).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Jewels_(Central_Intelligence_Agency)


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Morbid on December 03, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
http://blog.lso.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/black-sheep.jpg


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jyakulis on December 03, 2014, 03:58:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTiONdJJRcw


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Elwar on December 03, 2014, 05:35:42 PM
What conspiracies in particular are you referencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3elI6yMMk

Pick a disaster...

Hindenburg, Titanic, 9/11, JFK...

Did you see the passenger in the video? It's real footage...I've seen the black and white...just updated with 21st century video technology.

So...the passenger shot him or the limo driver (like the title of the video says)?

I didn't see anything close to that.


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jyakulis on December 04, 2014, 12:19:54 AM
What conspiracies in particular are you referencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3elI6yMMk

Pick a disaster...

Hindenburg, Titanic, 9/11, JFK...

Did you see the passenger in the video? It's real footage...I've seen the black and white...just updated with 21st century video technology.

So...the passenger shot him or the limo driver (like the title of the video says)?

I didn't see anything close to that.

title is labeled wrong...look at the guy sitting in front of him. He casually ducks....and then...


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: sl@ppy on December 04, 2014, 02:01:01 AM
I love conspiracy. I read a book by Robert Anton Wilson a long time ago and his introduction was really interesting.
He talked about speaking around the world and said every speech he asks the same question. 'Please raise your hand if you ever tell any agent of the government the whole truth'.
He said he has never had anyone raise their hand. His conclusion is most government based conspiracies about oppression are simply that we lie to our leaders and consequently our leaders are passing laws for the populace they think they are governing, but aren't.
I always liked that. it makes sense.


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: hdbuck on December 04, 2014, 08:23:52 AM
911 is indeed a conspiracy. just not a theory.

People denigrating others for they trying to seek objective patterns and motives are just self-centered lazy retards.


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: jyakulis on December 04, 2014, 02:45:13 PM
I love conspiracy. I read a book by Robert Anton Wilson a long time ago and his introduction was really interesting.


Yeah, I love Robert Anton Wilson. I consider him a modern philosopher. You ever see Robert Anton Wilson Explains everything?

This is a short version but there is a full available:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cENyPmDXdVs

I like when he talks about the hermetic tradition. Find out what happens when you do this...

"Many Christian writers, including Emerson, Lactantius, Thomas of Aquinas, Augustine, Giordano Bruno, Marsilio Ficino, Campanella and Giovanni Pico della Mirandola considered Hermes Trismegistus to be a wise pagan prophet who foresaw the coming of Christianity."

Newton and his failure in alchemy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies

"Due to the threat of punishment and the potential scrutiny he feared from his peers within the scientific community, Newton may have deliberately left his work on alchemical subjects unpublished. "

Feel like bitcoin is partly like that at least in the beginning (find out what happens when you do x).


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: samaricanin on December 04, 2014, 04:29:29 PM
http://s3.postimg.org/bcqv0q2sj/everything_is_a_conspiracy.jpg

Everything is a conspiracy


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: Elwar on December 04, 2014, 04:44:41 PM
There are a lot of theories.

Theories supported by evidence become fact.


Title: Re: Most conspiracy theories
Post by: UnunoctiumTesticles on December 04, 2014, 04:46:57 PM
<Insert crazy huge leap in logic with no evidence to back up the theory>

Generalization and stereotypes are great for pontification, but not of much use for reality because they falsify nothing (Hint: your OP is meaningless noise to add to the meaningless noise of those whom you criticize).

Except when you are dealing with a man who records all the data:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg9666280#msg9666280

Notice the connection to 9/11 with a confirmation letter from the SEC to the man in prison (illegally and tortured).