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Title: high stakes POS Post by: kelsey on December 03, 2014, 04:07:23 AM Hard to find anything in this messy forum, so what are the highest % POS altcoins?
Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: presstab on December 03, 2014, 06:19:47 AM BottleCaps 200%
TEK 500% HyperStake 750% Balls 1000% (was 10,000%) Each has their own set of perks and inflation control methods. Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: benthach on December 03, 2014, 06:23:30 AM BottleCaps 200% TEK 500% HyperStake 750% Balls 1000% (was 10,000%) Each has their own set of perks and inflation control methods. anything above 50% is just stupid fake nonsense coin, even at 50% it's still high. Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: kelsey on December 03, 2014, 06:48:40 AM BottleCaps 200% TEK 500% HyperStake 750% Balls 1000% (was 10,000%) Each has their own set of perks and inflation control methods. anything above 50% is just stupid fake nonsense coin, even at 50% it's still high. Like everything else here they are experiments, many are valid experiments. MMXIV has hardfork to be 2014%, however starting from a small base of 2014 coins (initially mined pow) makes for an interesting experiment and anyone who picks up while supply still in the low thousands may do alright, interesting to watch at the very least. Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: avw1982 on December 03, 2014, 07:51:29 AM BottleCaps 200% TEK 500% HyperStake 750% Balls 1000% (was 10,000%) Each has their own set of perks and inflation control methods. anything above 50% is just stupid fake nonsense coin, even at 50% it's still high. I think 10% a year is the max. Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: HCLivess on December 03, 2014, 08:08:40 AM POS are the most stable types of coins,yet beware, due to low traded volume, it is not particularly easy to determine their market value
Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: kelsey on December 03, 2014, 11:08:36 AM BottleCaps 200% TEK 500% HyperStake 750% Balls 1000% (was 10,000%) Each has their own set of perks and inflation control methods. anything above 50% is just stupid fake nonsense coin, even at 50% it's still high. I think 10% a year is the max. depends of the purpose, if its just to ad security to the network then yes, but if its the way the coin is mined then saying a max is like saying any pow mined should only mine at x rate and produce xyz coins. Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: jibble on December 03, 2014, 12:09:58 PM quotient has a POS of 1618% but is limited "618 coin cap on stake reward"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=854299.0 I think there will be burning of coins in the near future as well thou so in theory it should equal out a little in later months Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: presstab on December 03, 2014, 04:33:26 PM BottleCaps 200% TEK 500% HyperStake 750% Balls 1000% (was 10,000%) Each has their own set of perks and inflation control methods. anything above 50% is just stupid fake nonsense coin, even at 50% it's still high. I think 10% a year is the max. The thread is about high PoS... most in the high PoS community regard anything below 100% as not considered "high PoS". But to people coming from PPC, maybe anything above 5% seems high. Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: Bill White on December 03, 2014, 05:56:27 PM How is the percentage calculated?
Suppose there were a PoS coin with the following characteristics: There are 100 stakeholders each of which has 10 coins at the beginning. There are 100 blocks produced per day and the block reward is 1 coin. (Assume there are no tx fees.) What would the APR for this coin be and why? Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: glendall on December 03, 2014, 07:24:02 PM How is the percentage calculated? Suppose there were a PoS coin with the following characteristics: There are 100 stakeholders each of which has 10 coins at the beginning. There are 100 blocks produced per day and the block reward is 1 coin. (Assume there are no tx fees.) What would the APR for this coin be and why? Basically each pos coin has a staking term. i'll use hobonickels as an example. Every 10 days it mints .025% of your coin holdings. So if you had a 100 coins, you'd generate about .o75% extra coins a month. Over a year, this comes to about %90, return not including the big benefit of compound interest. To generate pos coins, in most cases you just have to leave your wallet running, its quite easy. For anyone looking for more info on high stakes pos coins Google 'crazyloaf crazysteak thread bitcointalk' , here each high pos coin had a run down of terns and returns (though it may be out of date, new coins are made at such a crazy rate). Personally I think higher than a 100% pos only coins should be generally avoided, as it is just too much sell pressure and inflation, without a physical market component most of these coins will only go down. With mining you have electricity costs for balance in production, but pos coins are almost free to generate, causing lots of downward price pressure. (HYP is a good example, look at its charts). Lower pos return coins I like though, or pow pos combo coins. If you buy them at their bottoms you have a very strong chance to generate profit, Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: gnargnar on December 03, 2014, 07:36:37 PM How is the percentage calculated? Suppose there were a PoS coin with the following characteristics: There are 100 stakeholders each of which has 10 coins at the beginning. There are 100 blocks produced per day and the block reward is 1 coin. (Assume there are no tx fees.) What would the APR for this coin be and why? Basically each pos coin has a staking term. i'll use hobonickels as an example. Every 10 days it mints .025% of your coin holdings. So if you had a 100 coins, you'd generate about .o75% extra coins a month. Over a year, this comes to about %90, return not including the big benefit of compound interest. To generate pos coins, in most cases you just have to leave your wallet running, its quite easy. For anyone looking for more info on high stakes pos coins Google 'crazyloaf crazysteak thread bitcointalk' , here each high pos coin had a run down of terns and returns (though it may be out of date, new coins are made at such a crazy rate). Personally I think higher than a 100% pos only coins should be generally avoided, as it is just too much sell pressure and inflation, without a physical market component most of these coins will only go down. With mining you have electricity costs for balance in production, but pos coins are almost free to generate, causing lots of downward price pressure. (HYP is a good example, look at its charts). Lower pos return coins I like though, or pow pos combo coins. If you buy them at their bottoms you have a very strong chance to generate profit, very great post glendall :) +100% Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: Bill White on December 03, 2014, 09:07:51 PM How is the percentage calculated? Suppose there were a PoS coin with the following characteristics: There are 100 stakeholders each of which has 10 coins at the beginning. There are 100 blocks produced per day and the block reward is 1 coin. (Assume there are no tx fees.) What would the APR for this coin be and why? Basically each pos coin has a staking term. i'll use hobonickels as an example. Every 10 days it mints .025% of your coin holdings. So if you had a 100 coins, you'd generate about .o75% extra coins a month. Over a year, this comes to about %90, return not including the big benefit of compound interest. To generate pos coins, in most cases you just have to leave your wallet running, its quite easy. Thank you. This was very helpful. It sounds like the block reward for staking is a percentage of your stake, rather than a constant. If it were a constant reward (like bitcoin's 25 BTC reward at the moment), then the reward as a percent of your coins would decrease over time. In my example, on the first day everyone could expect to stake one block increasing their coins by 10% so they all have 11 instead of 10. They each still have 1% of the total coins, so on the second day each could expect to have 12 coins instead of 11. However, as a percentage they have only increased their coins by roughly 9% on Day 2. Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: Zer0Sum on December 03, 2014, 09:54:04 PM How is the percentage calculated? Suppose there were a PoS coin with the following characteristics: There are 100 stakeholders each of which has 10 coins at the beginning. There are 100 blocks produced per day and the block reward is 1 coin. (Assume there are no tx fees.) What would the APR for this coin be and why? Basically each pos coin has a staking term. i'll use hobonickels as an example. Every 10 days it mints .025% of your coin holdings. So if you had a 100 coins, you'd generate about .o75% extra coins a month. Over a year, this comes to about %90, return not including the big benefit of compound interest. To generate pos coins, in most cases you just have to leave your wallet running, its quite easy. Thank you. This was very helpful. It sounds like the block reward for staking is a percentage of your stake, rather than a constant. If it were a constant reward (like bitcoin's 25 BTC reward at the moment), then the reward as a percent of your coins would decrease over time. In my example, on the first day everyone could expect to stake one block increasing their coins by 10% so they all have 11 instead of 10. They each still have 1% of the total coins, so on the second day each could expect to have 12 coins instead of 11. However, as a percentage they have only increased their coins by roughly 9% on Day 2. Every High Stake coin is different... some are stable and some are crazy experiments... You have to look closely at the Dev, the history, and the community. In the mid-range 100-200%... People that stake correctly do extremely well versus people who dabble and complain... And people that get compounding going for a year or more can really kill it. If you look at TEK, an established coin... it pays 40% every 30 days... or 480% nominal rate. But if you let it ride... compounded = 1.4 ^ 12 = 5,600%. Very few people have the clarity and discipline to compound these babies for one year... But there's a few people have totally cleaned up on TEK, HBN, and CAP. (The jury is still out on HYP... but the compounding is insane... >> 10,000%) The key now is to ignore gimmick coins, create better liquidity for the legit ones and evolve the general idea. Just remember, Bitcoin spends 20%/year on network security... So any PoS coin rates should START at 20%... the real value of securing the network... Coins paying 1% are ripping you off... they are scamming you for free security. Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: vegasguy on December 03, 2014, 11:40:53 PM Guys im going to make this so simple you wont believe it. I have a website dedicated to all the highest POS coins, in order with all the stats and pools. Its clean and easy to read, and anyone is welcome to just browse and / or join and comment. All information is 100% accurate. I can assure you , youll find active very high POS coins youve never even heard of. They are even sorted from highest to lowest interest rate. http://bitcoinlasvegas.net/category/highest-percent-proof-of-stake-coins/ (http://bitcoinlasvegas.net/category/highest-percent-proof-of-stake-coins/)
Welcome and enjoy Vegas Title: Re: high stakes POS Post by: Zer0Sum on December 04, 2014, 02:44:25 AM Just ran a ** simple ** Excel exponential multiple regression on the Old Guard coins... Where you do log of "money supply" and log of "return" before running... And my values for "return" are from personal records (HBN=160, CAP=600, TEK=2050, PHS=52, HYP=9500)... So my "returns" include 2-3 months of real life compounding. https://i.imgur.com/mCXNneW.png Now that is a pretty tight, efficient market... With TEK 17% overvalued... and HYP the obvious outlier at > 40% undervalued. |
