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Title: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: the joint on June 19, 2012, 02:14:33 AM I present you with this http://www.rugatu.com/questions/617/how-much-is-rugatu-worth-best-explanation-of-valuation-gets-it (http://www.rugatu.com/questions/617/how-much-is-rugatu-worth-best-explanation-of-valuation-gets-it)
So, my answer receives the most votes, yet another answer is chosen as the "best" answer. Are you fucking kidding me? Actually, my answer received 5 up-votes (edit: now 6), and two down-votes were from Rugatu moderators. So, you don't like my answer about the value of your company? Fuck you guys. I don't care about the question reward, but it's obvious you guys are full of shit. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: vampire on June 19, 2012, 02:32:27 AM No offense to whoever posted the "best" answer, but that evaluation is silly. All numbers are off, hosting salaries, or how evaluation done.
Also I love the error when I tried to up vote an answer: Please try again in a while. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: gweedo on June 19, 2012, 02:43:07 AM I present you with this http://www.rugatu.com/questions/617/how-much-is-rugatu-worth-best-explanation-of-valuation-gets-it (http://www.rugatu.com/questions/617/how-much-is-rugatu-worth-best-explanation-of-valuation-gets-it) So, my answer receives the most votes, yet another answer is chosen as the "best" answer. Are you fucking kidding me? Actually, my answer received 5 up-votes (edit: now 6), and two down-votes were from Rugatu moderators. So, you don't like my answer about the value of your company? Fuck you guys. I don't care about the question reward, but it's obvious you guys are full of shit. Rugatu is just a way for some people to have legit thing on the exchange. It is nothing more than a functioning scam. Also if you go against them they suspend you like my account was after I posted they weren't a good investment, but claimed I was down voting a lot which I wasn't. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: the joint on June 19, 2012, 02:49:32 AM I present you with this http://www.rugatu.com/questions/617/how-much-is-rugatu-worth-best-explanation-of-valuation-gets-it (http://www.rugatu.com/questions/617/how-much-is-rugatu-worth-best-explanation-of-valuation-gets-it) So, my answer receives the most votes, yet another answer is chosen as the "best" answer. Are you fucking kidding me? Actually, my answer received 5 up-votes (edit: now 6), and two down-votes were from Rugatu moderators. So, you don't like my answer about the value of your company? Fuck you guys. I don't care about the question reward, but it's obvious you guys are full of shit. Rugatu is just a way for some people to have legit thing on the exchange. It is nothing more than a functioning scam. Also if you go against them they suspend you like my account was after I posted they weren't a good investment, but claimed I was down voting a lot which I wasn't. Lol, sorry bro, I might've had something to do with that. You were down-voting quite a bit (like 8 in a row or something), and it appeared as though you were doing so specifically on questions that you were answering. Actually, it was because of you that I recommended that they change the site so that people cannot cast down-votes on questions they answer, nor can they answer questions in which they have previously placed a down-vote. Otherwise, people would just down-vote all the answers with many up-votes to increase their chances of getting the reward. But I'm with you on the functioning scam. And maybe you were suspended for the reason you claim. I wouldn't doubt it at all. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: gweedo on June 19, 2012, 03:09:51 AM I present you with this http://www.rugatu.com/questions/617/how-much-is-rugatu-worth-best-explanation-of-valuation-gets-it (http://www.rugatu.com/questions/617/how-much-is-rugatu-worth-best-explanation-of-valuation-gets-it) So, my answer receives the most votes, yet another answer is chosen as the "best" answer. Are you fucking kidding me? Actually, my answer received 5 up-votes (edit: now 6), and two down-votes were from Rugatu moderators. So, you don't like my answer about the value of your company? Fuck you guys. I don't care about the question reward, but it's obvious you guys are full of shit. Rugatu is just a way for some people to have legit thing on the exchange. It is nothing more than a functioning scam. Also if you go against them they suspend you like my account was after I posted they weren't a good investment, but claimed I was down voting a lot which I wasn't. Lol, sorry bro, I might've had something to do with that. You were down-voting quite a bit (like 8 in a row or something), and it appeared as though you were doing so specifically on questions that you were answering. Actually, it was because of you that I recommended that they change the site so that people cannot cast down-votes on questions they answer, nor can they answer questions in which they have previously placed a down-vote. Otherwise, people would just down-vote all the answers with many up-votes to increase their chances of getting the reward. But I'm with you on the functioning scam. And maybe you were suspended for the reason you claim. I wouldn't doubt it at all. Idc I was being a dick and it was vulnerability of the site at that point but actually my suspension wasn't done that day it was after i left this message I got suspended, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87390.msg961062#msg961062 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87390.msg961062#msg961062) and they locked it the same day i was suspended. If you are against you, they will make sure your voice is not heard it is a dumb service actually, it is just stackoverflow that rewards bitcoins any developer can make that. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: drakahn on June 19, 2012, 04:20:40 AM lol @ teenagers running websites.
Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: Raoul Duke on June 19, 2012, 04:30:36 AM Well, I must say that Rugatu was the fastest service so far to go from launch to shitlist ;D
http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/2012/06/15/rugatu-take-prizes-meant-for-others/ Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: teflone on June 19, 2012, 04:34:10 AM Just by the sheer spamming of these forums I was not interested in anything they have to offer at all..
Zero points for forum diarrhea.. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: Gladamas on June 19, 2012, 04:42:40 AM Well, I must say that Rugatu was the fastest service so far to go from launch to shitlist ;D http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/2012/06/15/rugatu-take-prizes-meant-for-others/ Here was Rugatu's response to a comment I made: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86633.msg969255#msg969255 I would like to respectfully ask Rugatu staff members/mods to not collect rewards, vote, or choose answers on the behalf of someone else on any of the questions on the website. It could really alienate your users. We're sorry if that happened to you or anyone else the first launch days. We had issues all over the place so some of the team members felt those actions were necessarily too, it will not happen again I can promise that. While people come back and accept their answers, such actions are not needed at all. Bold is my emphasis. If Rugatu does not hold to that promise, they should get the scammer tag. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: gweedo on June 19, 2012, 04:56:00 AM Well, I must say that Rugatu was the fastest service so far to go from launch to shitlist ;D http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/2012/06/15/rugatu-take-prizes-meant-for-others/ Here was Rugatu's response to a comment I made: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86633.msg969255#msg969255 I would like to respectfully ask Rugatu staff members/mods to not collect rewards, vote, or choose answers on the behalf of someone else on any of the questions on the website. It could really alienate your users. We're sorry if that happened to you or anyone else the first launch days. We had issues all over the place so some of the team members felt those actions were necessarily too, it will not happen again I can promise that. While people come back and accept their answers, such actions are not needed at all. Bold is my emphasis. If Rugatu does not hold to that promise, they should get the scammer tag. But OP's link was clearly asked by the rugatu team so yea Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: Garr255 on June 19, 2012, 04:58:06 AM Just by the sheer spamming of these forums I was not interested in anything they have to offer at all.. Yup. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: the joint on June 19, 2012, 06:03:08 AM Well, I must say that Rugatu was the fastest service so far to go from launch to shitlist ;D http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/2012/06/15/rugatu-take-prizes-meant-for-others/ Here was Rugatu's response to a comment I made: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86633.msg969255#msg969255 I would like to respectfully ask Rugatu staff members/mods to not collect rewards, vote, or choose answers on the behalf of someone else on any of the questions on the website. It could really alienate your users. We're sorry if that happened to you or anyone else the first launch days. We had issues all over the place so some of the team members felt those actions were necessarily too, it will not happen again I can promise that. While people come back and accept their answers, such actions are not needed at all. Bold is my emphasis. If Rugatu does not hold to that promise, they should get the scammer tag. But OP's link was clearly asked by the rugatu team so yea It's as if they think that choosing an answer that states their company is worth x objectively means that their company is worth x. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: Raoul Duke on June 19, 2012, 06:06:48 AM Well, I must say that Rugatu was the fastest service so far to go from launch to shitlist ;D http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/2012/06/15/rugatu-take-prizes-meant-for-others/ Here was Rugatu's response to a comment I made: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86633.msg969255#msg969255 I would like to respectfully ask Rugatu staff members/mods to not collect rewards, vote, or choose answers on the behalf of someone else on any of the questions on the website. It could really alienate your users. We're sorry if that happened to you or anyone else the first launch days. We had issues all over the place so some of the team members felt those actions were necessarily too, it will not happen again I can promise that. While people come back and accept their answers, such actions are not needed at all. Bold is my emphasis. If Rugatu does not hold to that promise, they should get the scammer tag. But OP's link was clearly asked by the rugatu team so yea It's as if they think that choosing an answer that states their company is worth x objectively means that their company is worth x. Related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX_OxBfsvbk Watch till the end and you'll understand why it's related lol Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: the joint on June 19, 2012, 07:53:38 AM Here's more evidence of Rugatu manipulation. I give you edgar_t, registered May 26, 2012.
http://www.rugatu.com/users/16/edgar_t/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/16/edgar_t/reputation/) Quote paraipan voted up edgar_t answer on [closed] Hitler reacts to the bitcoinica hack? edgar_t voted down georgeBTC answer on [closed] How much is Rugatu worth? Best explanation of valuation gets it. edgar_t voted down Caffeinewriter answer on [closed] How much is Rugatu worth? Best explanation of valuation gets it. edgar_t voted down gweedo answer on [closed] How much is Rugatu worth? Best explanation of valuation gets it. edgar_t voted down your answer on [closed] How much is Rugatu worth? Best explanation of valuation gets it. UserSupport voted up edgar_t question [closed] Will this run Minecraft with no lag? UserSupport voted up edgar_t answer on [closed] Who is the best singer of all time? UserSupport voted up edgar_t question [closed] IPod touch screen goes dark? UserSupport voted up edgar_t question [closed] Is there a Bitcoin gateway for PrestaShop with these specific features? UserSupport voted up edgar_t question [closed] What is the meaning of the word "nsfw" ? Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: Raoul Duke on June 19, 2012, 08:03:29 AM Oh, but there's more:
http://www.rugatu.com/users/13/llukasz/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/6/lukasz/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/5/cscoxx/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/61/2isaf7fl0/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/147/paraipan/reputation/ I think it's time to refund Rugatu the 35 bitcents they paid me for the ad in my sig and get done with it. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: the joint on June 19, 2012, 08:06:34 AM Oh, but there's more: http://www.rugatu.com/users/13/llukasz/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/6/lukasz/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/5/cscoxx/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/61/2isaf7fl0/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/147/paraipan/reputation/ I think it's time to refund Rugatu the 35 bitcents they paid me for the ad in my sig and get done with it. Or just do like I did with my sig. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: BadBear on June 19, 2012, 09:12:37 AM Just by the sheer spamming of these forums I was not interested in anything they have to offer at all.. To be fair even Regatu complained about the spam, was a user not them.Zero points for forum diarrhea.. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: swissmate on June 19, 2012, 10:23:30 AM Well I must say Rugatu is a pretty nice website, nice rewards and it's getting bigger and bigger.
The design is very good and they have lots of small nice details such as their own youtube player frame. The only bad thing is that the admins take part too much. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: vite on June 19, 2012, 02:11:51 PM Just by the sheer spamming of these forums I was not interested in anything they have to offer at all.. To be fair even Regatu complained about the spam, was a user not them.Zero points for forum diarrhea.. My Bad sorry But I do enjoy Rugatu and its a great stress release for me, to read and ask questions between interpreting sessions and listening to problemas all day long Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: AndrewBUD on June 19, 2012, 06:05:42 PM I work :) That' gives me shit to do... Damn chickens aint going to cut their own heads off :P
Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: the joint on June 19, 2012, 07:45:46 PM Just by the sheer spamming of these forums I was not interested in anything they have to offer at all.. To be fair even Regatu complained about the spam, was a user not them.Zero points for forum diarrhea.. No, they're playing stupid. They awarded me 100 karma points after I've already sent them about 3 "Fuck you" PMs with evidence demonstrating manipulation on the site. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: the joint on June 19, 2012, 07:57:01 PM Edit: Compiling list of suspects...this will be updated
List of suspects: http://www.rugatu.com/users/13/llukasz/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/13/llukasz/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/6/lukasz/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/6/lukasz/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/5/cscoxx/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/5/cscoxx/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/61/2isaf7fl0/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/61/2isaf7fl0/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/147/paraipan/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/147/paraipan/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/18/tuxie/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/18/tuxie/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/110/luceo/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/110/luceo/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/15/dianas/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/15/dianas/reputation/) <--- This one is obvious http://www.rugatu.com/users/1/usersupport/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/1/usersupport/reputation/) <-- Hey look, it's User Support http://www.rugatu.com/users/39/teknomunk/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/39/teknomunk/reputation/) Interesting battle here between Derisivemetaphor and Sean B: They each gave each other like 4 down-votes in a row http://www.rugatu.com/users/44/seanb/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/44/seanb/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/101/derisivemetaphor (http://www.rugatu.com/users/101/derisivemetaphor) I'll check for more interesting patterns later. Is any of this conclusive? I don't know. Check for yourself. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: swissmate on June 19, 2012, 10:25:03 PM Edit: Compiling list of suspects...this will be updated List of suspects: http://www.rugatu.com/users/13/llukasz/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/13/llukasz/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/6/lukasz/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/6/lukasz/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/5/cscoxx/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/5/cscoxx/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/61/2isaf7fl0/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/61/2isaf7fl0/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/147/paraipan/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/147/paraipan/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/18/tuxie/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/18/tuxie/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/110/luceo/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/110/luceo/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/15/dianas/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/15/dianas/reputation/) <--- This one is obvious http://www.rugatu.com/users/1/usersupport/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/1/usersupport/reputation/) <-- Hey look, it's User Support http://www.rugatu.com/users/39/teknomunk/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/39/teknomunk/reputation/) Interesting battle here between Derisivemetaphor and Sean B: They each gave each other like 4 down-votes in a row http://www.rugatu.com/users/44/seanb/reputation/ (http://www.rugatu.com/users/44/seanb/reputation/) http://www.rugatu.com/users/101/derisivemetaphor (http://www.rugatu.com/users/101/derisivemetaphor) I'll check for more interesting patterns later. Is any of this conclusive? I don't know. Check for yourself. I'm not in there :D Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: gweedo on June 19, 2012, 11:06:13 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86551.msg975633#msg975633 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86551.msg975633#msg975633) I love how they just lock threads, That solves the problem. They are invested in company they should be transparent.
Also they pointed to this site. http://meta.osqa.net/questions/98/what-does-bootstrap-mode-mean (http://meta.osqa.net/questions/98/what-does-bootstrap-mode-mean) and I quote... Quote When the bootstrap mode is checked, your site will allow everyone who registers to vote, comment, answer, etc. Where does it say that you can change and game the system. They obviously have no clue in how to run this site and it is very sad that people have invested in them to only lose their BTC to a "FUNCTIONAL SCAM". I think Rugatu should come to this thread and answer all question honestly and with out locking the threads. They would make great wall street workers, maybe BTC isn't for them.Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: gweedo on June 19, 2012, 11:30:02 PM I pmed them and this at 4:13 PST and got a reply thru there thread at 4:25PST
Quote https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88431.msg975376 Why don't you just come to this thread answer some questions? You are an invested site on the exchange, don't you think there should be some transparency? You do ow your investors that much right after your stock tanked? Also if you read that article about "Bootstrap mode" that has no influence on why the team is answering questions, downvoting, choosing answers that don't have the most upvotes, can you explain that? Or this PM attacking you.. remember if you don't answer you are doing a great disservice to your investors and the people that use your site. and I would like to say we gotten at least a "sorry" I think that is a part win! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86551.msg975909#msg975909 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86551.msg975909#msg975909) Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: the joint on June 20, 2012, 01:17:21 AM To clarify in the other thread about me "threatening them," I will publicly post our exchange of PMs:
Me: Quote http://www.rugatu.com/users/16/edgar_t/reputation/ Quote paraipan voted up edgar_t answer on [closed] Hitler reacts to the bitcoinica hack? edgar_t voted down georgeBTC answer on [closed] How much is Rugatu worth? Best explanation of valuation gets it. edgar_t voted down Caffeinewriter answer on [closed] How much is Rugatu worth? Best explanation of valuation gets it. edgar_t voted down gweedo answer on [closed] How much is Rugatu worth? Best explanation of valuation gets it. edgar_t voted down your answer on [closed] How much is Rugatu worth? Best explanation of valuation gets it. UserSupport voted up edgar_t question [closed] Will this run Minecraft with no lag? UserSupport voted up edgar_t answer on [closed] Who is the best singer of all time? UserSupport voted up edgar_t question [closed] IPod touch screen goes dark? UserSupport voted up edgar_t question [closed] Is there a Bitcoin gateway for PrestaShop with these specific features? UserSupport voted up edgar_t question [closed] What is the meaning of the word "nsfw" ? Rugatu: Quote Thanks for reporting this issue Me: Quote Ok, great, now suspend these: http://www.rugatu.com/users/13/llukasz/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/6/lukasz/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/5/cscoxx/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/61/2isaf7fl0/reputation/ http://www.rugatu.com/users/147/paraipan/reputation/ AND, most importantly, suspend User Support. Honestly, do you think we're that fucking stupid? Everybody working at Rugatu including yourself knows exactly what is going on. You're a bunch of scamming fucks, and everyone is going to know about this. I can be quite diligent when I want to be. Rugatu: Quote I don't understand what do you want exactly the joint. Care to explain ? Me: Quote I think User Support and paraipan and Diana S (at the very least) should receive suspensions. It's blatantly obvious that virtually all, if not absolutely all, Rugatu moderators are manipulating questions by 1) voting-up each other's responses and 2) down-voting non-moderator responses, and there have other complaints that 3) moderators are altering peoples' questions and/or responses. Cut the shit. You will never gain traction by screwing your userbase. Suspend User Support, paraipan, and Diana S (at minimum, if not all the others) and I will be satisfied at least until the manipulation becomes obvious once again. If not, I'll continue to expose every bullshit manipulation tactic and make sure that absolutely everybody on this forum hears about it. Your call. Rugatu: Quote Ok, let's take this into smaller parts. You we're there the first day ? If yes, i guess you know we had rugatu in start-up mode, users get awarded more karma for everything they do and supposedly has to help start a new community. Obviously was a mistake, and i will make sure to pass that on to the OSQA developers. Second. Why paraipan ? Or DianaS ? UserSupport can't be suspended because it's the main administration account. Third. You know that every modification gets shown to any user right ? Higher rep users get to see the revisions too, just like a wiki. I'm not aware of more manipulations or influencing that you or other users reported, so the bunch of people who where there first got to vote or post anything they wanted between themselves until more people got to join. Your call. Me: Quote Wrong response. Have it your way. You do realize that Rugatu is already listed on the Bitcoin shit-list (which I had nothing to do with). You are one of the worst fucking businessmen I've ever encountered. Watch your site crash and burn from your own incompetency. Rugatu: Quote That really sounds like a threat. I already explained what the reason for some users having high karma. http://meta.osqa.net/questions/98/what-does-bootstrap-mode-mean Inexperienced users where called to help us out with the launch and they got the reputation levels you saw. If you don't get it do yourself a favor and document this before making accusations. Take care, Rugatu Me: Quote No, it is not I who is threatening you. As such, that is why I have labeled "suspects" in the linked-thread I gave to you and left it up for the community to decide. I'm saying that you are threatening your own business by not coming clean. User Support is the largest instigator of all of this because User Support is among those involved in the up-voting of Rugatu moderators. Did you not see the "documentation" of all of User Support's up-voting of edgar_t who you yourself admitted was among those affiliated with Rugatu? How about this: Would you apologize to the community for User Support's actions of up-voting members affiliated with Rugatu (hence manipulation) and we'll call it a day? And then please don't do it again. Rugatu: Quote Yes, first to you, for making you doubt me and my team, and to the community, to set things straight. We had UserSupport used wrongly by our team members. I can vouch for them voting and posting without discriminating between users or other team members. No harm was intended but it seems like it wasn't the best decision letting them use the account. That user is very powerful and it can't be used like that. One thing we learned, word. If you ever start a community like this, based on osqa code, do not use the bootstrap mode, ever. We learned that the hard way. We will post in our thread on the issue. Take care, Rugatu Me: Quote A fantastic response. Thank you. Apology accepted. Believe me, I want to see as many Bitcoin businesses to succeed as possible. Good luck with your endeavors. -The Joint I'm satisfied. Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: swissmate on June 20, 2012, 07:30:24 AM Well I got another issue, I just won an hypothetical reward of 1.5 Btc ( Which is very nice from them).
Usually when you get the reward you recieve the 100% of it, but for some strange case which I am not aware they put yesterday an extra 5% fee on the rewards. I mean, it's really nice to get the reward but why get a 5% fee only on that one? Title: Re: Hey Rugatu, WTF?! Post by: swissmate on June 26, 2012, 04:07:22 PM I think Rugatu should write somewhere in their website that it's based on the http://www.osqa.net/
All webpages using it include the "powered by Osqa" at the end of the webpage. Since it's not their own code, it would be nice. I'm making this post here because rugatu's original thread is closed. |