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Title: Timekoin
Post by: mrb on June 19, 2012, 09:03:39 AM
http://timekoin.org was created by knightmb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6825.msg973679#msg973679):

Quote
Timekoin is the first non-experimental application of an open encrypted electronic  currency system on a public network.

The first concepts of digital currency date back to the late 1980s before the Internet was know as The Internet. Computer enthusiast would communicate with each other via modem dial-up bulletin boards and exchange files and messages. During those times, phone bills were high so online time was limited each day by system operators. Users would trade around "time" as currency in exchange for files or services.

This "time" could be added to another users account so that they may use more "online" time on the bulletin board computer. Because this started to become it's own culture of digital currency of trading time, many bulletin board operators began limiting users ability to trade "time" and eventually lead to business models of giving limited free time and charging users to use more time pass the free time point. Because of the limited nature and expense of running a bulletin board system, the electronic currency concept at the time was given an early death.

30 Years later, things have changed greatly. The Internet now allows anyone in the world with a computer to communicate. This vast open public network gives back the ability to resurrect the concepts of digital currency run by the public. Without any central authority to try to monetize the system and the vast amounts of computer power available to any person, the doors of the public digital currency once again swing open.

See its whitepaper: http://timekoin.org/images/documents/timekoin.pdf


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: mrb on June 19, 2012, 09:20:31 AM
I already gave that link, hover over "knightmb" :)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: Mousepotato on June 19, 2012, 10:04:34 AM
IFL


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: MoneyIsDebt on June 19, 2012, 07:08:23 PM
I read the website... couldn't quite figure out where the timekoins come from, or what gives them value. Anyone?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: EnergyVampire on June 19, 2012, 07:17:25 PM
What is the TLDR on Timekoins?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: steelhouse on June 19, 2012, 08:37:29 PM
Apparently it uses mysql, php and a webserver to run the whole thing.  Thus, there seems to be no blockchain?  Is that correct? 


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: terrytibbs on June 19, 2012, 08:43:39 PM
Apparently it uses mysql, php and a webserver to run the whole thing.  Thus, there seems to be no blockchain?  Is that correct? 
Just because it is stored in mysql doesn't mean it's not a blockchain. Hell, you could store the Bitcoin blockchain in mysql if you wanted to.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: steelhouse on June 19, 2012, 08:48:41 PM
I was hoping it was not a blockchain and a ledger of some sort.  However, if it is webbased, you almost have to use mysql as there are read-write restictions.  Any reviews?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: sd on June 19, 2012, 10:44:50 PM
What is the TLDR on Timekoins?

On a first quick reading it looks like knightmb is batshit insane. However that paper might make more sense on a second reading.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on June 19, 2012, 11:11:05 PM
What is the TLDR on Timekoins?

On a first quick reading it looks like knightmb is batshit insane. However that paper might make more sense on a second reading.


I'm attempting to set it up to see how it runs.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: tiker on June 19, 2012, 11:48:41 PM
I've setup a node and have it running...  seems the "main program processor" stalls almost every minute...


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on June 20, 2012, 12:37:36 AM
Would be nice to know how many blocks/coins have been generated to date.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on June 20, 2012, 12:47:42 AM
What is the TLDR on Timekoins?

On a first quick reading it looks like knightmb is batshit insane. However that paper might make more sense on a second reading.


People said that when I first mentioned bitcoins :)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: bitcool on June 20, 2012, 01:04:39 AM
I was hoping it was not a blockchain and a ledger of some sort.  However, if it is webbased, you almost have to use mysql as there are read-write restictions.  Any reviews?
blockchain is a type of ledger, is it not?
Mysql, php, webserver (Apache?)... built on OS pieces, I like that.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: Rygon on June 20, 2012, 04:45:09 PM
I really don't understand how Timekoin generates currency and how it randomly chooses a "miner" for the award. How is that managed on a P2P network?

Also, it says that if more people join the network, then more coins can be generated? It sounds like the rate of currency generation would not be predictible. The predictibility of currency generation is what instills long-term confidence in a currency, whether it's flat of decreasing with time.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: steelhouse on June 20, 2012, 06:51:48 PM
I was hoping it was not a blockchain and a ledger of some sort.  However, if it is webbased, you almost have to use mysql as there are read-write restictions.  Any reviews?
blockchain is a type of ledger, is it not?
Mysql, php, webserver (Apache?)... built on OS pieces, I like that.

Maybe a ledger, I don't know if this is used by timekoin.  Each coin is an entry in a data base.  If someone wants to trade a coin it must first be approved by most nodes and the coin is swapped out with the new owner in the database.  If this is possible and secure, bitcoin could replace the blockchain with this.  You could have fixed coin payments to 2 decimal places and can be increased if necessary, 2,100,000,000,000 entries in a database.  Maybe you don't have to have a whole number as a database entry but an entry would be a certain amount of coins organised by address.   Thus if an address is used to send coins, it would be deleted and reused.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: sd on June 20, 2012, 10:52:15 PM
What is the TLDR on Timekoins?

On a first quick reading it looks like knightmb is batshit insane. However that paper might make more sense on a second reading.


People said that when I first mentioned bitcoins :)

Yes they did and a lot of people still say that. I'd not dismiss ideas just because they seem crazy on first encounter.

However from what I got from the paper it looks like it has problems bitcoin doesn't have.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: EnergyVampire on June 20, 2012, 11:33:21 PM
What is the TLDR on Timekoins?

On a first quick reading it looks like knightmb is batshit insane. However that paper might make more sense on a second reading.


People said that when I first mentioned bitcoins :)

Yes they did and a lot of people still say that. I'd not dismiss ideas just because they seem crazy on first encounter.

However from what I got from the paper it looks like it has problems bitcoin doesn't have.

sd, what kind of problems does timekoin appear to have?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: Stardust on June 21, 2012, 08:10:20 AM
I don't see how this is better than Bitcoin, and that it's written in php it's a turnoff for me.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on June 21, 2012, 08:13:31 AM
Apparently it uses mysql, php and a webserver to run the whole thing.  Thus, there seems to be no blockchain?  Is that correct? 
Just because it is stored in mysql doesn't mean it's not a blockchain. Hell, you could store the Bitcoin blockchain in mysql if you wanted to.

It's being done all the time: https://github.com/jtobey/bitcoin-abe


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: steelhouse on June 24, 2012, 01:40:45 AM
What I mean by database is that you don't have one long chain text file.  Instead each coin operates as its own.  Thus, you go into the database and change a coin to a new owner.  However, the blockchain does not grow.   

I don't know if this is how it works or even if it would work.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on June 24, 2012, 07:54:11 AM
What I mean by database is that you don't have one long chain text file.  Instead each coin operates as its own.  Thus, you go into the database and change a coin to a new owner.  However, the blockchain does not grow.   

I don't know if this is how it works or even if it would work.

This is how the contemporary banking system solves things: keep account balances in database, protect database centrally.

Now if you go from your idea (have a list of coins and an owner attached) and change it so that the previous owner has to sign a transaction to transfer ownership to someone elses key, you'd have something like open transactions, right?

Still... are you talking about a centrally administered database? If so: how do you expect people to trust the operator? If not: how would you go about decentralizing the database?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: steelhouse on June 24, 2012, 08:04:35 AM
I don't know how open transactions works, but I don't like how complicated it is.  Seems there are contracts to do this and that, and we want is a coin.  If you had a lot of 5 and 10 coins it would save space too.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: ripper234 on June 25, 2012, 06:53:27 AM
I've skimmed through the Whitepaper, and haven't been able to answer these simple questions (http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4059/what-is-timekoin):

1. What problem is it trying to solve (that Bitcoin doesn't already solve)?
2. How does it work? What is the difference/similarity in implementation from Bitcoin?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: ShadowOfHarbringer on June 25, 2012, 12:56:42 PM
/me is watching this


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: fellowtraveler on June 28, 2012, 10:59:43 AM
I don't know how open transactions works, but I don't like how complicated it is.  Seems there are contracts to do this and that, and we want is a coin.  If you had a lot of 5 and 10 coins it would save space too.

Complicated??

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SHOW ACCOUNT BALANCE (on server):

~/Projects/Open-Transactions/include
> opentxs balance

Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.82.h
PLEASE SIGN YOUR PASSPHRASE:

    Balance: 1211
eMldMMiKfJRO8B8yJjzcezs9xvSt7dkdlWt50e8CDxn   (FT's Silver)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SOURCE CODE for "balance" command, using OT API:

Code:
def details_account_balance(strID)
{
    var strName          = OT_API_GetAccountWallet_Name(strID)
    var strBalance       = OT_API_GetAccountWallet_Balance(strID)
    
    OT_API_Output(0, "\n    Balance: ") //stderr
    print(strBalance) // stdout
    OT_API_Output(0, strID + "   (" + strName + ")\n\n") //stderr
}
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SHOW CASH PURSE (on local client):

~/Projects/Open-Transactions/include
> opentxs showpurse

Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.82.h
PLEASE SIGN YOUR PASSPHRASE:

Total value: 1
Token count: 1

Index   Value   Series   ValidFrom      ValidTo      Status
0         1      0      1339606926   1355158926      valid


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WITHDRAW CASH:

~/Projects/Open-Transactions/include
> opentxs withdraw

Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.82.h
PLEASE SIGN YOUR PASSPHRASE:

Enter the amount as integer[1]: 109

Server response (withdraw_cash): SUCCESS withdrawing cash! (From account on server, to local purse.)
Success retrieving intermediary files for account.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SOURCE CODE for withdraw cash:

Code:
    var madeEasy	= OT_ME()

    var strResponse = madeEasy.withdraw_cash(Server, strMyNymID, MyAcct, strAmount)
    var strAttempt  = "withdraw_cash"
    // ***************************************************************
    
    // Interpret the server's reply...
    
    var nInterpretReply = InterpretTransactionMsgReply(Server, strMyNymID, MyAcct, strAttempt, strResponse)
    
    if (1 == nInterpretReply)
    {    
        // Download all the intermediary files (account balance, inbox, outbox, etc)
        // since they have probably changed from this operation.
        //
        var bRetrieved = madeEasy.retrieve_account(Server, strMyNymID, MyAcct) //bForceDownload defaults to false.
        
        OT_API_Output(0, "\n\nServer response ("+strAttempt+"): SUCCESS withdrawing cash! (From account on server to local purse.) \n")
        OT_API_Output(0, (bRetrieved ? "Success" : "Failed") + " retrieving intermediary files for account.\n")
    }

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

VIEW (UPDATED) BALANCE (on server):

~/Projects/Open-Transactions/include
> opentxs balance

Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.82.h
PLEASE SIGN YOUR PASSPHRASE:

    Balance: 1102
eMldMMiKfJRO8B8yJjzcezs9xvSt7dkdlWt50e8CDxn   (FT's Silver)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

VIEW UPDATED PURSE (on local client):

~/Projects/Open-Transactions/include
> opentxs showpurse

Welcome to Open Transactions -- version 0.82.h
PLEASE SIGN YOUR PASSPHRASE:

Total value: 110
Token count: 7

Index   Value   Series   ValidFrom   ValidTo   Status
0      1      0   1339606926   1355158926      valid
1      100      0   1339606926   1355158926      valid
2      1      0   1339606926   1355158926      valid
3      5      0   1339606926   1355158926      valid
4      1      0   1339606926   1355158926      valid
5      1      0   1339606926   1355158926      valid
6      1      0   1339606926   1355158926      valid


~/Projects/Open-Transactions/include
>

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SOURCE CODE for "show purse":

Code:
            var strAmount = OT_API_Purse_GetTotalValue(Server, MyPurse, strPurse)
            print("\n\nTotal value: " + strAmount)
            
            // Loop through purse contents and display tokens.
            var nCount =  OT_API_Purse_Count(Server, MyPurse, strPurse)
            // ----------------------
            if (nCount > 0)
            {
                print("Token count: " + nCount.to_string() + "\n")
                print("Index\tValue\tSeries\tValidFrom\tValidTo\t\tStatus")

                var nIndex = -1
                
                while (nCount > 0)
                {
                    --nCount
                    ++nIndex  // on first iteration, this is now 0.
                    // -------------------
                    var strToken = OT_API_Purse_Peek(Server, MyPurse, MyNym, strPurse)
                    var strNewPurse = OT_API_Purse_Pop(Server, MyPurse, MyNym, strPurse)                    
                    strPurse = strNewPurse
                    // ------------------------------------------
                    var strDenomination = OT_API_Token_GetDenomination(Server, MyPurse, strToken)
                    var nSeries         = OT_API_Token_GetSeries      (Server, MyPurse, strToken)
                    var strValidFrom    = OT_API_Token_GetValidFrom   (Server, MyPurse, strToken)
                    var strValidTo      = OT_API_Token_GetValidTo     (Server, MyPurse, strToken)
                    var strTime         = OT_API_GetTime()
                    // ------------------------------------------
                    // Output the token...
                    
                    var strStatus = (strTime.to_int() > strValidTo.to_int()) ? "expired" : "valid"
                    
                    print(nIndex.to_string() + "\t" + strDenomination + "\t" + nSeries.to_string() + "\t" + strValidFrom + "\t" + strValidTo + "\t" + strStatus)
                    // ------------------------------------------
                } // while
            } // if nCount > 0


No offense, but a trained monkey could write an OT client.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: MoneyIsDebt on June 28, 2012, 04:08:15 PM
No offense, but a trained monkey could write an OT client.

I'm writing one.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: ShadowOfHarbringer on June 28, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
No offense, but a trained monkey could write an OT client.
I'm writing one.

WOW, there are monkeys on the interwebz ! I always suspected so, but never had any proof !

(Not that i have anything against monkeys, they are great animals)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: paraipan on June 28, 2012, 09:03:40 PM
Can anyone please explain the following in plain English ?

Quote from timekoin whitepaper:

Quote
This system for peer to peer electronic encrypted currency relies on a 3-prong security defense
of high encryption keys and hashes connected in a such a way to simulate a virtual Quantum state for
the transaction data where tampering with any part of the process would collapse the entire attempt of
tampering. Due to this virtual entangled state of the data, there is no way to observe and predict what is
inside the transaction until you look inside with the public key. A which point, there is no way to
change the inside of the transaction without tampering with the outside components that constructed it all.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: steelhouse on June 29, 2012, 08:28:45 AM
"No offense, but a trained monkey could write an OT client."

The description of open transactions is not easy to understand.  Can grandma run open transactions gui client or server?  No.   Why don't you make a gui client similar to the bitcoin client (that is too complicated too Electrum would be Better)   with automatic setup.

Here is a mock GUI

============
Total Quickcoins in circulation fixed at:
Balance Quickcoin:  
send to: ____________ address book
receive from: ____________ address book
============

I don't want to waste braincells to learn what nyms, contracts, baskets, markets, reoccurring, deed/title, escrow, ripple are.  Soon as I saw that goodbye. I want a fixed currency amount that can not be hacked.  I would not even like to see a bitcoin type id but have it hidden, where Id's are actual names.  Hank_Williams:df345r3jtyughn45y654yrhtrthrth


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: bitcats on June 29, 2012, 08:36:15 AM
"No offense, but a trained monkey could write an OT client."
I can't! So I'll try to find a monkey.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: scribe on June 29, 2012, 08:59:17 AM
Can anyone please explain the following in plain English ?

Quote from timekoin whitepaper:

Quote
This system for peer to peer electronic encrypted currency relies on a 3-prong security defense
of high encryption keys and hashes connected in a such a way to simulate a virtual Quantum state for
the transaction data where tampering with any part of the process would collapse the entire attempt of
tampering. Due to this virtual entangled state of the data, there is no way to observe and predict what is
inside the transaction until you look inside with the public key. A which point, there is no way to
change the inside of the transaction without tampering with the outside components that constructed it all.

I'd love to understand this better too. From what it sounds like there's a kind of two-way lock/check which means you can't tamper with transactions - you'd have to change both at the same time, but also each depends on the other? Reminds me of the Robin Hood/Friar Tuck virus for some reason..

I've skimmed through the Whitepaper, and haven't been able to answer these simple questions (http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4059/what-is-timekoin):

1. What problem is it trying to solve (that Bitcoin doesn't already solve)?
2. How does it work? What is the difference/similarity in implementation from Bitcoin?

Not sure on #2, but the main problem the whitepaper sets out seems to be power usage. Have to admit I have a similar concern, but would want to see more evidence on power usage vs power used on other server farms, or for producing all the crappy spam mail I get through my door every day.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: organofcorti on June 29, 2012, 09:07:01 AM
My understanding is that a hash of the contents provides some of the data for the public key. Change the data and you change the identifier: the public key. It's no longer the same transaction, so it can't be double spent. I'm not completely sure though. The white paper was a bit light on exact detail.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: fellowtraveler on June 29, 2012, 09:12:41 AM
"No offense, but a trained monkey could write an OT client."

The description of open transactions is not easy to understand.  Can grandma run open transactions gui client or server?  No.   Why don't you make a gui client similar to the bitcoin client (that is too complicated too Electrum would be Better)   with automatic setup.

I will remind you that Open-Transactions is a software library, not an end-user application. If you want a grandma-friendly UI, then you will have to write it, not me. The only UI I have provided is a test GUI to go along with the API, which is intended only to make things easier for developers by providing sample code for the complete OT API. Don't confuse that test UI (intended for developers using the API) with the proper UI design necessary for end users!

As for who will write the actual "iPhone app" or "Android app" or "Mac app"--each of these is a full project on its own. I cannot write them all. The truth is, there are many different applications that could be written with OT, not just wallets. But again, I cannot write them all. Certainly the amount of free work I am contributing to the cause, with my current project, is already enough? You cannot possibly ask me to take on additional projects!

Here is a mock GUI

============
Total Quickcoins in circulation fixed at:
Balance Quickcoin:  
send to: ____________ address book
receive from: ____________ address book
============

I don't want to waste braincells to learn what nyms, contracts, baskets, markets, reoccurring, deed/title, escrow, ripple are.  Soon as I saw that goodbye. I want a fixed currency amount that can not be hacked.  I would not even like to see a bitcoin type id but have it hidden, where Id's are actual names.  Hank_Williams:df345r3jtyughn45y654yrhtrthrth

Yes, the mock GUI that you propose could easily be implemented using the OT API. Using the sample code above, and other samples I have provided on my "Use Cases" page, you should have no problem doing so. The whole point of OT was to enable you to do so. There is no reason to tell Grandma of contracts, basket currencies, markets, or nyms -- that is a user interface design issue specific to your GUI. I encourage you to take another look at the above sample code and ask yourself if it's really that hard to understand. Also take a look at the samples on the Use Cases page ( https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki/Use-Cases (https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki/Use-Cases) ) and ask yourself honestly if it's really so complicated to make a GUI like one you describe, using that API.

You might be surprised.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: crazy_rabbit on June 29, 2012, 10:46:42 AM
Can someone fill me in really quick what TimeKoin is for? The paper is a little too dense for at-work reading.

"No offense, but a trained monkey could write an OT client."

The description of open transactions is not easy to understand.  Can grandma run open transactions gui client or server?  No.   Why don't you make a gui client similar to the bitcoin client (that is too complicated too Electrum would be Better)   with automatic setup.

I will remind you that Open-Transactions is a software library, not an end-user application. If you want a grandma-friendly UI, then you will have to write it, not me. The only UI I have provided is a test GUI to go along with the API, which is intended only to make things easier for developers by providing sample code for the complete OT API. Don't confuse that test UI (intended for developers using the API) with the proper UI design necessary for end users!

As for who will write the actual "iPhone app" or "Android app" or "Mac app"--each of these is a full project on its own. I cannot write them all. The truth is, there are many different applications that could be written with OT, not just wallets. But again, I cannot write them all. Certainly the amount of free work I am contributing to the cause, with my current project, is already enough? You cannot possibly ask me to take on additional projects!

Here is a mock GUI

============
Total Quickcoins in circulation fixed at:
Balance Quickcoin: 
send to: ____________ address book
receive from: ____________ address book
============

I don't want to waste braincells to learn what nyms, contracts, baskets, markets, reoccurring, deed/title, escrow, ripple are.  Soon as I saw that goodbye. I want a fixed currency amount that can not be hacked.  I would not even like to see a bitcoin type id but have it hidden, where Id's are actual names.  Hank_Williams:df345r3jtyughn45y654yrhtrthrth

Yes, the mock GUI that you propose could easily be implemented using the OT API. Using the sample code above, and other samples I have provided on my "Use Cases" page, you should have no problem doing so. The whole point of OT was to enable you to do so. There is no reason to tell Grandma of contracts, basket currencies, markets, or nyms -- that is a user interface design issue specific to your GUI. I encourage you to take another look at the above sample code and ask yourself if it's really that hard to understand. Also take a look at the samples on the Use Cases page ( https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki/Use-Cases (https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki/Use-Cases) ) and ask yourself honestly if it's really so complicated to make a GUI like one you describe, using that API.

You might be surprised.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on June 30, 2012, 08:17:55 AM
Can anyone please explain the following in plain English ?

Quote from timekoin whitepaper:

Quote
This system for peer to peer electronic encrypted currency relies on a 3-prong security defense
of high encryption keys and hashes connected in a such a way to simulate a virtual Quantum state for
the transaction data where tampering with any part of the process would collapse the entire attempt of
tampering. Due to this virtual entangled state of the data, there is no way to observe and predict what is
inside the transaction until you look inside with the public key. A which point, there is no way to
change the inside of the transaction without tampering with the outside components that constructed it all.

I'd love to understand this better too. From what it sounds like there's a kind of two-way lock/check which means you can't tamper with transactions - you'd have to change both at the same time, but also each depends on the other? Reminds me of the Robin Hood/Friar Tuck virus for some reason..

Lol, hilarious! Using vocubulary and analogies from/with quantum mechanics to explain some confused made-up cryphtographic mechanism in order to further nebulate the fact that this is totally bogus? Priceless! Similar some esoteric yogic schools now using such vocubalary and misinterpretations of quantum mechanics to somehow "scientifically" support their bullshit made-up crap theories about "cosmic energy" and the soul.

Uuuuh, I don't understand this, must be really advanced technology... or magic??


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on June 30, 2012, 08:20:59 AM
Can anyone please explain the following in plain English ?

Quote from timekoin whitepaper:

Quote
This system for peer to peer electronic encrypted currency relies on a 3-prong security defense
of high encryption keys and hashes connected in a such a way to simulate a virtual Quantum state for
the transaction data where tampering with any part of the process would collapse the entire attempt of
tampering. Due to this virtual entangled state of the data, there is no way to observe and predict what is
inside the transaction until you look inside with the public key. A which point, there is no way to
change the inside of the transaction without tampering with the outside components that constructed it all.

I'd love to understand this better too. From what it sounds like there's a kind of two-way lock/check which means you can't tamper with transactions - you'd have to change both at the same time, but also each depends on the other? Reminds me of the Robin Hood/Friar Tuck virus for some reason..

Lol, hilarious! Using vocubulary and analogies from/with quantum mechanics to explain some confused made-up cryphtographic mechanism in order to further nebulate the fact that this is totally bogus? Priceless! Similar some esoteric yogic schools now using such vocubalary and misinterpretations of quantum mechanics to somehow "scientifically" support their bullshit made-up crap theories about "cosmic energy" and the soul.

Uuuuh, I don't understand this, must be really advanced technology... or magic??


It is open-sourced I believe so i'm not sure what you are complaining about. Who cares if he doesn't know what he is talking about. Go find out for yourself how it work and then come report back to all of us on your findings oh great one  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on June 30, 2012, 08:27:06 AM
I don't know how open transactions works, but I don't like how complicated it is.  Seems there are contracts to do this and that, and we want is a coin.  If you had a lot of 5 and 10 coins it would save space too.

And I want world peace and free energy for everyone.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on June 30, 2012, 08:33:23 AM
It is open-sourced I believe so i'm not sure what you are complaining about. Who cares if he doesn't know what he is talking about. Go find out for yourself how it work and then come report back to all of us on your findings oh great one  ;D ;D ;D

hey smoothie, I just unignored you.

You raise a valid point. I didn't even read the paper until a couple minutes ago. I skimmed it and it makes no sense to me at all and I don't see how doublespend is solved and it's unfair of me to criticize the idea at this point. I apologize.

I wont look into timekoin any further, it's either bullshit or genius, no way for me to tell within the time I have for this. (Sidenote: the satoshi paper made perfect sense on first read)

You guys can be early adopters, have fun ;D ;D ;D.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on June 30, 2012, 08:46:05 AM
It is open-sourced I believe so i'm not sure what you are complaining about. Who cares if he doesn't know what he is talking about. Go find out for yourself how it work and then come report back to all of us on your findings oh great one  ;D ;D ;D

hey smoothie, I just unignored you.

You raise a valid point. I didn't even read the paper until a couple minutes ago. I skimmed it and it makes no sense to me at all and I don't see how doublespend is solved and it's unfair of me to criticize the idea at this point. I apologize.

I wont look into timekoin any further, it's either bullshit or genius, no way for me to tell within the time I have for this. (Sidenote: the satoshi paper made perfect sense on first read)

You guys can be early adopters, have fun ;D ;D ;D.

Thanks mate!  ;D :D ;) :)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: crazy_rabbit on June 30, 2012, 09:44:22 AM
Can anyone please explain the following in plain English ?

Quote from timekoin whitepaper:

Quote
This system for peer to peer electronic encrypted currency relies on a 3-prong security defense
of high encryption keys and hashes connected in a such a way to simulate a virtual Quantum state for
the transaction data where tampering with any part of the process would collapse the entire attempt of
tampering. Due to this virtual entangled state of the data, there is no way to observe and predict what is
inside the transaction until you look inside with the public key. A which point, there is no way to
change the inside of the transaction without tampering with the outside components that constructed it all.

I'd love to understand this better too. From what it sounds like there's a kind of two-way lock/check which means you can't tamper with transactions - you'd have to change both at the same time, but also each depends on the other? Reminds me of the Robin Hood/Friar Tuck virus for some reason..

Lol, hilarious! Using vocubulary and analogies from/with quantum mechanics to explain some confused made-up cryphtographic mechanism in order to further nebulate the fact that this is totally bogus? Priceless! Similar some esoteric yogic schools now using such vocubalary and misinterpretations of quantum mechanics to somehow "scientifically" support their bullshit made-up crap theories about "cosmic energy" and the soul.

Uuuuh, I don't understand this, must be really advanced technology... or magic??


Hey! Have you tried yoga with cosmic energy? If you can stop being a skeptic for long enough it's awesome. The hocus pocus might be to cover up the overtly sexual nature of Yoga, but whatever. You do those positions long enough and breath right, and you feel freaking awesome.

Timekoin however, isn't giving me quite the same level of relaxation.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on June 30, 2012, 11:11:17 AM
Can anyone please explain the following in plain English ?

Quote from timekoin whitepaper:

Quote
This system for peer to peer electronic encrypted currency relies on a 3-prong security defense
of high encryption keys and hashes connected in a such a way to simulate a virtual Quantum state for
the transaction data where tampering with any part of the process would collapse the entire attempt of
tampering. Due to this virtual entangled state of the data, there is no way to observe and predict what is
inside the transaction until you look inside with the public key. A which point, there is no way to
change the inside of the transaction without tampering with the outside components that constructed it all.

I'd love to understand this better too. From what it sounds like there's a kind of two-way lock/check which means you can't tamper with transactions - you'd have to change both at the same time, but also each depends on the other? Reminds me of the Robin Hood/Friar Tuck virus for some reason..

Lol, hilarious! Using vocubulary and analogies from/with quantum mechanics to explain some confused made-up cryphtographic mechanism in order to further nebulate the fact that this is totally bogus? Priceless! Similar some esoteric yogic schools now using such vocubalary and misinterpretations of quantum mechanics to somehow "scientifically" support their bullshit made-up crap theories about "cosmic energy" and the soul.

Uuuuh, I don't understand this, must be really advanced technology... or magic??


Hey! Have you tried yoga with cosmic energy? If you can stop being a skeptic for long enough it's awesome. The hocus pocus might be to cover up the overtly sexual nature of Yoga, but whatever. You do those positions long enough and breath right, and you feel freaking awesome.

Yes, I have tried yoga a couple of times (kundalini, white tantra) with astonishing effects that can't be denied and just have to be welcomed. I just disagree (or at least have great trouble) with the explanations given. I am a skeptic, that doesn't mean I don't believe things when I experience them. I refuse to simply believe (because I somehow feel the truth) a lot of the things (especially the more religious ones) that are being believed by some of the people practicing yoga ("our destiny is pre-planned", "the ghost of yogi bratpfann is present", "there is a god", "certain quantum phenomena are directly related to mind-reading", "energy is free, we just need to build some simple machine"). Some of the beliefs actually tend to be productive in order to lead a good life ("you can do anything", "there is karma") and I am trying, with mediocre success, to believe these or at least act as if I was.

I think the positive effects of meditation or other yogic practices can be enjoyed without piling up wild religious or pseudo-scientific theories behind them and trying to tell people how to act, what to believe and who to give their money to. But who am I to judge... maybe it's all true.

Timekoin however, isn't giving me quite the same level of relaxation.

I still think timekoin is some sort of a joke or misguided idea, but will listen to reason. Still haven't understood how double spending would be solved.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: organofcorti on July 01, 2012, 10:46:59 AM

You raise a valid point. I didn't even read the paper until a couple minutes ago. I skimmed it and it makes no sense to me at all and I don't see how doublespend is solved and it's unfair of me to criticize the idea at this point. I apologize.

I wont look into timekoin any further, it's either bullshit or genius, no way for me to tell within the time I have for this. (Sidenote: the satoshi paper made perfect sense on first read)

Yes, it read less like a white paper and more like a simile factory. Reading between the lines this was my how they prevent a double spend, just before the open transactions discussion:

My understanding is that a hash of the contents provides some of the data for the public key. Change the data and you change the identifier: the public key. It's no longer the same transaction, so it can't be double spent. I'm not completely sure though. The white paper was a bit light on exact detail.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: xiangfu on July 05, 2012, 09:34:08 AM
want to buy timekoin for bitcoin - who is selling


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: funnow on July 08, 2012, 06:49:14 PM
want to buy timekoin for bitcoin - who is selling

They are developing exchange system, so be patience


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on July 08, 2012, 09:22:34 PM
want to buy timekoin for bitcoin - who is selling

They are developing exchange system, so be patience


LOL i concur "beee payshentsss"  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: funnow on July 09, 2012, 10:40:23 AM
want to buy timekoin for bitcoin - who is selling

They are developing exchange system, so be patience


LOL i concur "beee payshentsss"  ;D ;D ;D

I'm not a robot like you, It's human make mistakes!
And also my mother language is not ENGLISH!

They are developing exchange sytem BE PATIENT


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: xiangfu on July 09, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
Hi

What kind of 'exchange system', is it like MtGox? can you give more details? thanks.

want to buy timekoin for bitcoin - who is selling

They are developing exchange system, so be patience



Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: yuzhe on August 26, 2012, 05:04:26 AM
I'm curious myself how sybil attacks are prevented. Apparently there is nothing stopping me posing as millions of different identities/miners. From the looks of it, this does not appear to be implementation of the POS scheme (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake) either. If this is something novel, would the OP mind describing how it is supposed to work?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on August 26, 2012, 07:05:45 AM
https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRf7CBQ7uy9G9bIHBG4icMrx7FnIxu-_kH53UVJUZUib0Gajlaijg

=>

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQp5czX2VtwuFwmJ75fYh_XmUc7N407rUk6TlRkuxlbcgPuwWBc


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: chriswen on August 28, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
I currently have 679 timekoins.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: maomao on September 08, 2012, 05:12:19 PM
 where is the database ?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: markm on September 08, 2012, 07:10:47 PM
I didn't realise before that there is actually software for this, I thought it was vapourware.

It looks like you can run thousands of instances and thereby get to generate more coins?

-MarkM-


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on September 08, 2012, 07:44:09 PM
http://timekoin.org was created by knightmb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6825.msg973679#msg973679):

Quote
Timekoin is the first non-experimental application of an open encrypted electronic  currency system on a public network.

I think this say it all, no?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on September 08, 2012, 07:47:16 PM
I didn't realise before that there is actually software for this, I thought it was vapourware.

It looks like you can run thousands of instances and thereby get to generate more coins?

-MarkM-


Yes you could...but each instance would have to wait 30 minutes to join the network. There is a process for node selection. One node is allowed to be added ever 30 minutes or something like that.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on September 08, 2012, 08:16:17 PM
I didn't realise before that there is actually software for this, I thought it was vapourware.

It looks like you can run thousands of instances and thereby get to generate more coins?

-MarkM-


Yes you could...but each instance would have to wait 30 minutes to join the network. There is a process for node selection. One node is allowed to be added ever 30 minutes or something like that.

How does this process work? It still sounds like I could "impersonate" many people.

Also: what if 100 people want to join each day? That'd be 50 hours per day.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: gbl08ma on September 08, 2012, 08:43:28 PM
Oh, yet another *coin... oh wait, this time's a *koin!


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on September 08, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
I didn't realise before that there is actually software for this, I thought it was vapourware.

It looks like you can run thousands of instances and thereby get to generate more coins?

-MarkM-


Yes you could...but each instance would have to wait 30 minutes to join the network. There is a process for node selection. One node is allowed to be added ever 30 minutes or something like that.

How does this process work? It still sounds like I could "impersonate" many people.

Also: what if 100 people want to join each day? That'd be 50 hours per day.

there is a technical paper at timekoin.org.

It was recently updated. It explains it there. Yes there is only so many nodes that can be added in 1 day's time.

That would be the restriction of trying to inflate the supply of timekoins....time restricts that supply.

Go have a read. It's good stuff.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: markm on September 08, 2012, 09:03:22 PM
Oh good, so the original adopters/developers can simply keep the add-node queue full so it will be forever before any newcomers get to the top of the list. Brilliant.

...I guess that is where the randomisation comes in. No top of list, just flood it so you have highest chance of being randomly selected?

-MarkM-


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2012, 12:04:34 AM
Oh good, so the original adopters/developers can simply keep the add-node queue full so it will be forever before any newcomers get to the top of the list. Brilliant.

...I guess that is where the randomisation comes in. No top of list, just flood it so you have highest chance of being randomly selected?

-MarkM-


Yup. I think in a year's time there is at max 33,000 nodes that can be added. Some number like that. Puts a restriction on just huge farms being added. Makes it a more even playing field and you dont need special equipment or waste tons of electricity on mining. The longer you stay connected to the network and contribute the more timekoins you generate in an increasing (asymptotic) way.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: jancsika on September 09, 2012, 12:06:35 AM
Oh good, so the original adopters/developers can simply keep the add-node queue full so it will be forever before any newcomers get to the top of the list. Brilliant.

...I guess that is where the randomisation comes in. No top of list, just flood it so you have highest chance of being randomly selected?

-MarkM-


That'd be an attack on future adoption, but as I understand it the nodes that were already connected before the flood would still generate coins.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2012, 01:01:13 AM
Oh good, so the original adopters/developers can simply keep the add-node queue full so it will be forever before any newcomers get to the top of the list. Brilliant.

...I guess that is where the randomisation comes in. No top of list, just flood it so you have highest chance of being randomly selected?

-MarkM-


That'd be an attack on future adoption, but as I understand it the nodes that were already connected before the flood would still generate coins.

As long as those nodes are not disconnected from the network for more than two hours. Yes they will continue to generate. Redundancy is huge. You can run two nodes with the same private key and ensure that you generate coins if one node gets disconnected. There are different strategies i'm sure.

I like timekoin. It's still early. But given that the code is its own rewrite by KnightMB (i think thats his username) I see potential in it.

He knows the code in and out and its not a copy of bitcoin. It only adds to the concepts bitcoin put into place and setup a restriction to do with time which no one can control. So its not about how much money you have to buy equipment. Its the time commitment that matters to how much you generate etc.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: Sunny King on September 09, 2012, 02:01:33 AM
Assuming throttling membership controls inflation (which I also doubt), it still doesn't solve the Sybil attack. Any more explanation?

This is an attempt to mint based on time without central identification service as I mentioned in another thread. Haven't got time to read the paper but if there is simpler explanations it would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: jancsika on September 09, 2012, 06:14:21 PM
Assuming throttling membership controls inflation (which I also doubt), it still doesn't solve the Sybil attack. Any more explanation?

I asked such a question on the Timekoin forum but framed it in terms of a botnet attack which gave the responder a chance to evade the question by pointing out that Bitcoin is also vulnerable to botnets.

Maybe a better way to frame the issue is that a botnet chugging away at solving Bitcoin blocks can indeed threaten the health of the network, especially by not including any transactions in blocks it solves.  However, such behavior still requires intensive use of botnet resources and even continues to help the network by providing more confirmations for the transactions that are included in the block chain.  But with Timekoin, if all the zombies of a botnet queued up it would be an effective DDOS on including new non-botnet nodes in the network, without any benefit to the network at all.  Worse, AFAICT it costs next to nothing for those bot-nodes to queue up.

ASIC mining might make it too costly for a bot-net Bitcoin miners (and maybe introduce new risks of consolidation of hashing power), but what would stop the botnet from continuing its DDOS in Timekoin on new adopters?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on September 09, 2012, 06:28:27 PM
Go have a read. It's good stuff.

I read it when this thread was started. I'm not going to be a timekoin early adopter, as said some months ago:

You guys can be early adopters, have fun ;D ;D ;D.

Thanks mate!  ;D :D ;) :)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2012, 06:35:54 PM
Go have a read. It's good stuff.

I read it when this thread was started. I'm not going to be a timekoin early adopter, as said some months ago:

You guys can be early adopters, have fun ;D ;D ;D.

Thanks mate!  ;D :D ;) :)


Yeah that was before the technical paper was 20 pages. It has been revised. No need to if you dont want to. =)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: Sunny King on September 09, 2012, 07:56:37 PM
Assuming throttling membership controls inflation (which I also doubt), it still doesn't solve the Sybil attack. Any more explanation?

I asked such a question on the Timekoin forum but framed it in terms of a botnet attack which gave the responder a chance to evade the question by pointing out that Bitcoin is also vulnerable to botnets.

Maybe a better way to frame the issue is that a botnet chugging away at solving Bitcoin blocks can indeed threaten the health of the network, especially by not including any transactions in blocks it solves.  However, such behavior still requires intensive use of botnet resources and even continues to help the network by providing more confirmations for the transactions that are included in the block chain.  But with Timekoin, if all the zombies of a botnet queued up it would be an effective DDOS on including new non-botnet nodes in the network, without any benefit to the network at all.  Worse, AFAICT it costs next to nothing for those bot-nodes to queue up.

ASIC mining might make it too costly for a bot-net Bitcoin miners (and maybe introduce new risks of consolidation of hashing power), but what would stop the botnet from continuing its DDOS in Timekoin on new adopters?

Yeah before I get a clearer answer regarding this I would assume this is a failed attempt of minting based on time without centralized identification service. The designer probably grossly underestimated the impact of sybil attack, in this case it's an attack on the minting design (aka counterfeiting). It's part of the core foundation of a currency design. Any currency that cannot effectively deal with counterfeiting is doomed to failure.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: jancsika on September 09, 2012, 11:48:25 PM
Quote
Yeah before I get a clearer answer regarding this I would assume this is a failed attempt of minting based on time without centralized identification service. The designer probably grossly underestimated the impact of sybil attack, in this case it's an attack on the minting design (aka counterfeiting). It's part of the core foundation of a currency design. Any currency that cannot effectively deal with counterfeiting is doomed to failure.

They're not counterfeit-- they're real Timekoins and the bot-net could do whatever it wants with them.  The problem is that the bot-net can take over the network and outnumber other users so they will be unlikely to generate coins.  If there really is a 33,000 joins-per-year limit then it only slows down that process-- how do you tell the difference between a "normal" user trying to join and one of 100,000 bot-net zombies staggered throughout the year trying to join?

Of course this is similar to normal cpu users in Bitcoin no longer being able to mine coins themselves.  But in Bitcoin the benefit is that network security increases as the difficulty level rises (and consequently the mining farms' coins can be understood as a reward for that work they are doing).  In Timekoin it only means you have a bot-net with a huge stash of coins that isn't adding security to the network, nor did it expend much in resources to get them in the first place.

I don't see anything in the technical document that addresses this.  But again-- this isn't the same bot-net problem that Bitcoin has faced because Timekoin doesn't require the proof-of-work which provides a barrier to entry for the Bitcoin bot-net (and which makes it unlikely that the successful Bitcoin bot-net operator of one would just destroy the coins for lulz).

Still, I could be missing some feature that mitigates this threat.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: cunicula on November 10, 2012, 09:04:30 AM
I'm curious myself how sybil attacks are prevented. Apparently there is nothing stopping me posing as millions of different identities/miners. From the looks of it, this does not appear to be implementation of the POS scheme (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake) either. If this is something novel, would the OP mind describing how it is supposed to work?

Confirmed. Based on my read, sybil attacks are simply allowed. One connection to the network, one vote. Not one coin one vote. Nor one hash one vote.

Interestingly, the list of people who are allowed to generate currency is controlled by 51% voting. And there is some kind of queue to get on the list. Thus the botnet can slowly build up spots in the queue until it controls 51% of the spots on the list and then control 100% of currency generation forever after.

Of course, botnets are free to double spend too. Though my guess is that simply printing new money would be easier.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on November 10, 2012, 09:28:05 AM
I'm curious myself how sybil attacks are prevented. Apparently there is nothing stopping me posing as millions of different identities/miners. From the looks of it, this does not appear to be implementation of the POS scheme (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake) either. If this is something novel, would the OP mind describing how it is supposed to work?

Confirmed. Based on my read, sybil attacks are simply allowed. One connection to the network, one vote. Not one coin one vote. Nor one hash one vote.

Interestingly, the list of people who are allowed to generate currency is controlled by 51% voting. And there is some kind of queue to get on the list. Thus the botnet can slowly build up spots in the queue until it controls 51% of the spots on the list and then control 100% of currency generation forever after.

Of course, botnets are free to double spend too. Though my guess is that simply printing new money would be easier.

Thanks for you analysis, cunicula.

I think I can see the intention behind this, but as you describe, it's easily attackable because IP-Adresses are cheap. Unless this is somehow taken care of, I don't see how it can work.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: FuzzyBear on November 10, 2012, 10:59:16 AM
yeah i like this project to... good alternative approach to the blockchain and mining...  I have some timecoins if anyone want to trade them to :) make me an offer!! 


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: Sunny King on November 10, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
yeah i like this project to... good alternative approach to the blockchain and mining...  I have some timecoins if anyone want to trade them to :) make me an offer!! 


;D I think we should have a competition as who has the most complete collection of different coins. I am sure you are one of the contenders  ;)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: molecular on November 10, 2012, 06:48:52 PM
some weird shit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123591.0. is knightmb (371,000 ring a bell) the  maker of timekoin and what does he have to do with the romney extortion?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: funnow on October 23, 2013, 11:40:36 AM
This crypto-currency is still alive and kicking!
You have some news on the site, video,... So check out!


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: funnow on November 03, 2013, 03:44:16 PM
In few weeks online exchange. :)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: evok3d on November 25, 2014, 11:05:32 PM
Can someone please see if they can help KnightMB or take over the project?

This has great potentials!


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: meadefreling on November 26, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
Timekoin is dead long time ago, are you trying to bring back the dead, better put are you trying to resurrect the dead?


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: freigeist on November 26, 2014, 11:42:02 AM
Timekoin is dead long time ago, are you trying to bring back the dead, better put are you trying to resurrect the dead?

What you mean is dead?!
I see it's alive here: http://timekoin.org/ (http://timekoin.org/)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: guiltmanager on June 04, 2015, 03:44:37 AM
Personally, I love the interface of timekoin, i.e. it being a webpage interface based wallet, as this works very well with my assistive screen reading technology.

I'm totally blind, and as such use screen reading technology on my computer, and most wallets for cryptocoins are a spin off from bitcoin, don't work with my screen reader, and thereby exclude me from participating in most crypto currencies. Given that timekoin uses a web interface, I'm not excluded from using it, which is great, I wish more wallets would follow in their footsteps.
I admit there are problems with the wallet, i.e. sometimes it hangs when i try to log in, and nothing but a full restart will resolve it, but apart from that its great.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: freigeist on June 04, 2015, 05:00:36 PM
Hello guiltmanager.

As you say most of altcoins are btc or ltc spinoffs but there are some other coins
developed from scratch like NEM, NXT, FIMK , HZ, BURST and  Cripty.
They all have a web wallet that works in browser.
You could try some of those that I have mentioned here.

Anyway is pity that timekoin is not actively developed any more.


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: guiltmanager on June 04, 2015, 06:31:21 PM
Hello Freigeist, thank you for the advice and list of coins! will def be looking at those and trying them out, and agreed that its a shame re timekoin I did like the currency.
take care
craig


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: knightmb on January 22, 2016, 07:29:30 AM
This is an old topic but those that come to it might get incorrect information about Timekoin. I've put together a FAQ that answers a lot of questions here and elsewhere on the Internet. This should save a lot of searching and myself answering the same questions repeatedly.  ;D

Timekoin FAQ Document (http://timekoin.org/images/downloads/visualtimekoinfaq.pdf)


Title: Re: Timekoin
Post by: cointron on March 12, 2016, 06:30:53 AM
This is an old topic but those that come to it might get incorrect information about Timekoin. I've put together a FAQ that answers a lot of questions here and elsewhere on the Internet. This should save a lot of searching and myself answering the same questions repeatedly.  ;D

Timekoin FAQ Document (http://timekoin.org/images/downloads/visualtimekoinfaq.pdf)

Thanks!