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Economy => Economics => Topic started by: Intermatic on December 06, 2014, 12:20:03 PM



Title: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: Intermatic on December 06, 2014, 12:20:03 PM
...what changes would need to be made?

Cryptocurrencies are terribly unstable and volatile, how would this be addressed?
What other barriers may need addressing?


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: botany on December 06, 2014, 12:23:59 PM
...what changes would need to be made?

Cryptocurrencies are terribly unstable and volatile, how would this be addressed?
What other barriers may need addressing?

You would have to issue physical bitcoins backed by a reserve.
This is the only way to have bitcoins used for day to day transactions.

I think only a country with large surplus and substantial assets would be able to do this.
They can protect their citizens from volatility to a certain extent.



Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: toleng on December 06, 2014, 07:52:57 PM
...what changes would need to be made?

Cryptocurrencies are terribly unstable and volatile, how would this be addressed?
What other barriers may need addressing?

You would have to issue physical bitcoins backed by a reserve.
This is the only way to have bitcoins used for day to day transactions.

With respect, I'd have to decree this statement to be nothing other than Hogwash. Jking.. Just wanted to use the word hogwash

Why would they need to use physical coins? And why would the coins need to be backed by a reserve?

wouldn't that turn a decentralized currency into one that is bastardized just like the USD?

digital is the way forward friend. lets not take 10 steps backwards into the darkages here


I think only a country with large surplus and substantial assets would be able to do this.
They can protect their citizens from volatility to a certain extent.

If an entire nation were to adopt bitcoin, then so much money would flow into bitcoin that you wouldn't know what to do. This alone will stabilize the currency. With respect, the citizens don't need to be "protected" by anyone. That is some defect that has been implanted into your mind by your western government.

We don't need protection sir


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: hua_hui on December 07, 2014, 12:31:37 AM
When the cryptocurrency system is robust and extensive, ppl recognize the benefits by adopting it and the merchants tend to price their provided goods and service in bitcoin, it is the time the price of bitcoin will stable without consideration the inflation factor of fiat.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: lihuajkl on December 07, 2014, 12:44:16 AM
...what changes would need to be made?

Cryptocurrencies are terribly unstable and volatile, how would this be addressed?
What other barriers may need addressing?

You would have to issue physical bitcoins backed by a reserve.
This is the only way to have bitcoins used for day to day transactions.

I think only a country with large surplus and substantial assets would be able to do this.
They can protect their citizens from volatility to a certain extent.


I don't think any country would do this by dumping their own fiat currency, which means they lose the authority of issuing cash and a method to adjusting the economy(print as many cash as they like to get rid of debt or enrich themselves). The reason is that the production of bitcoin is scheduled and the issued number of it is fixed, no any third party can control it.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: RedhatCAT on December 07, 2014, 04:38:14 AM
Cryptocurrencies are terribly unstable and volatile, how would this be addressed?
What other barriers may need addressing?
Cryptocurrencies will not replace fiat until they are no longer unstable. This kind of volatility is not able to be addressed economically


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: bornil267645 on December 07, 2014, 05:24:23 AM
It has to be Bitcoin. The world would have been so much better.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: Q7 on December 07, 2014, 06:47:52 AM
...what changes would need to be made?

Cryptocurrencies are terribly unstable and volatile, how would this be addressed?
What other barriers may need addressing?

Technically I don't how that could be made possible. currency of a nation is tied up to the state of economy, natural resources, political stability and things like that. if based on crypto concept where everyone could mine and own a portion or a share of a country, what would that mean? If a country is at civil war or experiencing trade deficit or in a state whereby the natural resources have completely depleted, would that value get reflected in the crypto coin??? Certain concept of distribution has to be worked out but definitely not POW


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: HeroCat on December 07, 2014, 08:06:29 AM
I do not think that cryptocurrency can replace national currency, because many people like to buy with cash, and they will not accept any other more developed way, like crypto. Look what is going with credit cards - not all people are using them.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: ikydesu on December 07, 2014, 10:08:56 AM
I do not think that cryptocurrency can replace national currency, because many people like to buy with cash, and they will not accept any other more developed way, like crypto. Look what is going with credit cards - not all people are using them.

Yes you're right, and not all people understand about digital money/ crypto currency , especially when their money is stolen or scammed, sure they are very panic ;D


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: shawshankinmate37927 on December 07, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
I do not think that cryptocurrency can replace national currency, because many people like to buy with cash, and they will not accept any other more developed way, like crypto. Look what is going with credit cards - not all people are using them.

Bank notes used to be "backed" by (redeemable for) gold or silver.  Technically speaking, there's no reason why bank notes can't be "backed" by BTC.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: worle1bm on December 08, 2014, 04:06:13 AM
It would have to be physical, and fiat. So it really makes no sense to do so.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: grappa_barricata on December 08, 2014, 04:32:18 AM
nation-states uses their currency as a tool for economic engineering, why even consider relinquish this? they'll never do it voluntarily


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: botany on December 08, 2014, 08:35:26 AM
...what changes would need to be made?

Cryptocurrencies are terribly unstable and volatile, how would this be addressed?
What other barriers may need addressing?

You would have to issue physical bitcoins backed by a reserve.
This is the only way to have bitcoins used for day to day transactions.

With respect, I'd have to decree this statement to be nothing other than Hogwash. Jking.. Just wanted to use the word hogwash

Why would they need to use physical coins? And why would the coins need to be backed by a reserve?

wouldn't that turn a decentralized currency into one that is bastardized just like the USD?

digital is the way forward friend. lets not take 10 steps backwards into the darkages here


I think only a country with large surplus and substantial assets would be able to do this.
They can protect their citizens from volatility to a certain extent.

Well, you should try buying a hotdog off a vendor of the street without physical coins and see.
Then you would get an idea.

If it is backed by a reserve of bitcoins, then you know that all the government can't issue physical coins at will and that there is some control on inflation.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: Elwar on December 08, 2014, 08:50:39 AM
It would likely be incremental.

A city in Australia is starting to accept Bitcoin as payment for city services.

It would likely happen like that. The city starts accepting it. Then set a phase in time of when they would fully use bitcoins.

They would need to use multi-sig keys for spending in the way that their bank account might require city officials to approve something before the treasurer goes ahead with the transaction.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: sandykho47 on December 08, 2014, 09:01:28 AM
I think it's too soon cryptocurrency to replace fiat national currency.

There are very very long ways before that happen.
The government have a very much reason to decline bitcoin as national currency.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: master5 on December 08, 2014, 06:01:14 PM
Cryptocurrencies are terribly unstable and volatile, how would this be addressed?
I don't agree. BTC price  is stable enough last few months.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: Sefton on December 08, 2014, 06:29:53 PM
...what changes would need to be made?

Cryptocurrencies are terribly unstable and volatile, how would this be addressed?
What other barriers may need addressing?

You would have to issue physical bitcoins backed by a reserve.
This is the only way to have bitcoins used for day to day transactions.

Why would you? You can make physical bitcoins or paper wallets ie notes yourself.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: rogerdonkey on December 09, 2014, 05:16:58 AM
i think it's hard cryptocurrency replace a fiat national currency...


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: NUFCrichard on December 09, 2014, 04:32:56 PM
BBC suggested that Zimbabwe could use their awful currency situation to try out crypto.
Apparently they now use the USD, but as it is only physical money, it is getting so heavily used that it is literally falling to bits..

I would love if somewhere decided to 'go for it' and use bitcoin, but I think it would be a difficult thing to do.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: odolvlobo on December 09, 2014, 07:31:05 PM
nation-states uses their currency as a tool for economic engineering, why even consider relinquish this? they'll never do it voluntarily

Many countries do not have their own currency. Countries that use the euro don't have their own currency.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: Amph on December 09, 2014, 07:36:27 PM
you need to distribute it better, to everyone, not early adopter that can manipulate the price every day, nothing like that

but it may not be enough


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: redmonski on December 10, 2014, 07:51:00 AM
I think another question to complement the thread is whether there's a country whose infrastructure is ready to take up cryptocurrency.
Rural areas with no internet connection is a challenge to implement crypto. I can't imagine how my kid would ran errands to buy something for me from a mom and pop store.  :)

If people can think of a feasible solution to this, then we should see in the near future crypto replacing fiat national currency.

Adoption should begin with the masses - fishermen selling their haul for the day, vendor selling fish in the market.  :)


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: grappa_barricata on December 10, 2014, 11:45:51 PM
nation-states uses their currency as a tool for economic engineering, why even consider relinquish this? they'll never do it voluntarily

Many countries do not have their own currency. Countries that use the euro don't have their own currency.

Duh? In the Euro case, the economic engineering is centrally planned and applied over all countries in the euro zone.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: Intermatic on December 11, 2014, 09:35:56 PM
I think another question to complement the thread is whether there's a country whose infrastructure is ready to take up cryptocurrency.
Rural areas with no internet connection is a challenge to implement crypto. I can't imagine how my kid would ran errands to buy something for me from a mom and pop store.  :)

If people can think of a feasible solution to this, then we should see in the near future crypto replacing fiat national currency.

Adoption should begin with the masses - fishermen selling their haul for the day, vendor selling fish in the market.  :)
In areas where there's little or no internet or electricity, surely sealed recyclable tokens containing Bitcoin private keys of various amounts could be used and distributed? Different shapes and colors could be made depending on value, so that different values can be recognised as easily as is the case with national currency. If you wanted to spend a token online, you'd simply break the seal and use the private key.

I believe physical Bitcoins would improve the utility of the currency. It would enable more transactions in person where internet, electricity or technology is scarce, and create a monetary connection between those places, and the places where Bitcoin is used.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: odolvlobo on December 11, 2014, 09:41:09 PM
nation-states uses their currency as a tool for economic engineering, why even consider relinquish this? they'll never do it voluntarily

Many countries do not have their own currency. Countries that use the euro don't have their own currency.

Duh? In the Euro case, the economic engineering is centrally planned and applied over all countries in the euro zone.


But individual countries have voluntarily replaced their currency with the euro -- something you said would never happen. Anyway, there are many countries that do not have a national currency. Adopting Bitcoin is not reasonable for any country right now, but it could be appropriate in the future for some countries.


Title: Re: If a cryptocurrency were to replace a fiat national currency...
Post by: botany on December 12, 2014, 04:14:13 AM
nation-states uses their currency as a tool for economic engineering, why even consider relinquish this? they'll never do it voluntarily

Many countries do not have their own currency. Countries that use the euro don't have their own currency.

Duh? In the Euro case, the economic engineering is centrally planned and applied over all countries in the euro zone.


But individual countries have voluntarily replaced their currency with the euro -- something you said would never happen. Anyway, there are many countries that do not have a national currency. Adopting Bitcoin is not reasonable for any country right now, but it could be appropriate in the future for some countries.

Agree. There are a lot of countries which have substituted their currency with the dollar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_substitution

These countries could be ideal candidates. :D