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Title: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Elwar on December 09, 2014, 09:12:55 AM
(I will ignore fees and round up to make the numbers look nicer)
The 144,341 bitcoins were split into 100,000 and 44,341.

The 44,341 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1CaGxqCQv2ofqLf37HCUQoLujzRMaz74LK (presumably set aside for another auction).

The 100,000 was split into several addresses:
52,000
9 x 5000
3000

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The 52,000 was split into 2 addresses:
50,000 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/12pCPrWvudnefJCtXQUBcm9z2NogtC3Rix (presumably set aside for another auction).
2,000

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The 2,000 was split into 4 addresses:
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1CqxH3QFXyfZP8MzqGFVXckvKKHyYXCg2y
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1Kj5DkLFM63GK2XzxwCndmkHotAGJWtbMG
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1Pwnsg7a3c3ofFUeVRRmCj2ppfvMhpHGTD
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/12grzLvLPZrVCspZxZWKneH3ATFHMJMXRX

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2 of the 5000 were combined:
10,000 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/39T3BBsiKxeeu7PebckN8ueb7F84iegoZL

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7 of the 5000 were combined:
35,000 sent through this address then split up: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1CvBmeNZY7wgg5fyxfNd6vJzHN6EyhrHPs

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3000 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1MFz2bnUzPRXUZmi4JaCi9J1Gvgp883mH4


Conclusion:

I would say that one person won 10,000 bitcoins, a consortium won 35,000 bitcoins, one person won 3,000 bitcoins and Tim Draper won 2,000 and split it into 4 addresses.

Of the consortium it looks like they are going into even larger balances so it is very unlikely that any of these bitcoins will be sold on the exchange any time soon.

Update:
So it appears that a Second Market syndicate was the one that got the 9 x 5000 and the one 3000 block.

They won 48000 of the bitcoins and Tim Draper got 2000.
http://www.coindesk.com/secondmarket-syndicate-bidders-real-winners-bitcoin-auction/


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: P4rkeR on December 09, 2014, 09:28:13 AM
Thank you for all the fabulous details!
Even if it's bad news for the value of Bitcoin, which by the way is now falling. A report?


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Fabrizio89 on December 09, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Really interesting, so there were many buyers this time around, more chances to know the bids of someone. :P Strange to see Draper winning so few btcs after what he spent for the last auction, someone go explain averaging to that man. (jk)


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: abyrnes81 on December 09, 2014, 09:32:16 AM
Thanks , but we will never know the names of the other auction winners, I would like to know it.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Guido on December 09, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
thanks Elwar, great post, very interesting


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: 1Referee on December 09, 2014, 12:32:59 PM
Thanks for putting everything together.

There were so many fantasy stories online about the FBI, that they would dump it in just one go to crash the price  :D


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: abyrnes81 on December 09, 2014, 12:37:33 PM
Thanks for putting everything together.

There were so many fantasy stories online about the FBI, that they would dump it in just one go to crash the price  :D

If they will dump  all the bitcoins , I will buy them  ( for sure ) . Come on guys , stay tuned.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: SpanishSoldier on December 09, 2014, 12:39:20 PM
Let's start vanitygen for the top one... what say ? ;)


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: abyrnes81 on December 09, 2014, 12:50:10 PM
Let's start vanitygen for the top one... what say ? ;)

Yay , then good luck  :D. However news for the other names of the auction winners ?


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Flashman on December 09, 2014, 02:10:11 PM
Good work, thanks.



The 2,000 was split into 4 addresses:
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1CqxH3QFXyfZP8MzqGFVXckvKKHyYXCg2y
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1Kj5DkLFM63GK2XzxwCndmkHotAGJWtbMG
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1Pwnsg7a3c3ofFUeVRRmCj2ppfvMhpHGTD
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/12grzLvLPZrVCspZxZWKneH3ATFHMJMXRX

 and Tim Draper won 2,000 and split it into 4 addresses.


He announced an intention to distribute 300 coin to each startup he's involved in.... so that might move again soon. Not sure if he has decided to go to 500 each from the way he split there, or that's just how he handles his coins.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: abyrnes81 on December 09, 2014, 02:12:38 PM
Good work, thanks.



The 2,000 was split into 4 addresses:
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1CqxH3QFXyfZP8MzqGFVXckvKKHyYXCg2y
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1Kj5DkLFM63GK2XzxwCndmkHotAGJWtbMG
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1Pwnsg7a3c3ofFUeVRRmCj2ppfvMhpHGTD
500 sits at this address: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/12grzLvLPZrVCspZxZWKneH3ATFHMJMXRX

 and Tim Draper won 2,000 and split it into 4 addresses.


He announced an intention to distribute 300 coin to each startup he's involved in.... so that might move again soon. Not sure if he has decided to go to 500 each from the way he split there, or that's just how he handles his coins.

Have you a link for this news ? I didn't read this thing.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Febo on December 09, 2014, 02:33:19 PM
Thanks , but we will never know the names of the other auction winners, I would like to know it.

Bitcoin transaction are transparent so eventually if you are really interested you will know the names. just follow this addresses that was posted here.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: abyrnes81 on December 09, 2014, 02:39:00 PM
Thanks , but we will never know the names of the other auction winners, I would like to know it.

Bitcoin transaction are transparent so eventually if you are really interested you will know the names. just follow this addresses that was posted here.

Yes I know how the blockchain works, but as you told if they will not say : " I've bought this bitcoin in the fbi auction" we will never know their names.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: turvarya on December 09, 2014, 02:42:45 PM
Thanks , but we will never know the names of the other auction winners, I would like to know it.

Bitcoin transaction are transparent so eventually if you are really interested you will know the names. just follow this addresses that was posted here.

Yes I know how the blockchain works, but as you told if they will not say : " I've bought this bitcoin in the fbi auction" we will never know their names.
This bitcoin will most likely end up in a big project eventually and than we can make an educated guess, who put them there. The question is, how long will that take to happen.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: abyrnes81 on December 09, 2014, 02:44:48 PM
Thanks , but we will never know the names of the other auction winners, I would like to know it.

Bitcoin transaction are transparent so eventually if you are really interested you will know the names. just follow this addresses that was posted here.

Yes I know how the blockchain works, but as you told if they will not say : " I've bought this bitcoin in the fbi auction" we will never know their names.
This bitcoin will most likely end up in a big project eventually and than we can make an educated guess, who put them there. The question is, how long will that take to happen.

Maybe you're right , but I think they will use it only for speculate again.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: bobabouey2 on December 09, 2014, 03:07:25 PM
Quote
7 of the 5000 were combined:
35,000 sent through this address then split up: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1CvBmeNZY7wgg5fyxfNd6vJzHN6EyhrHPs

It seems like most of the coin from this address were sent to this address:  https://blockchain.info/address/3LzDzKkatQRXuQ6UxTcWQLuwuhH5nt7TJc

3LZ received a total of 26,850 XBT on 12-08 from 1CV.  It has a total of 47,089 as of posting, meaning it already had 20,239.

Also, the 1CV account had alot of activity predating 12-08, dating back to an initial 3,000 XBT transaction in May 5 2013.

The current balance of 1CV would seem to make it the 21st largest single address according to this site:  http://bitcoinrichlist.com/top500

So it seems to me like a large chunk of the coin were purchased by a single whale / fund / company.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: cryptworld on December 09, 2014, 03:10:02 PM
nice analysis but,we won't be able to know who is behind that bitcoins unless they publicly announce it


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: picolo on December 09, 2014, 03:31:24 PM
Let's start vanitygen for the top one... what say ? ;)

Yay , then good luck  :D. However news for the other names of the auction winners ?

We don't know yet!

Any link showing the auction page?


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: newIndia on December 09, 2014, 03:42:26 PM
Let's start vanitygen for the top one... what say ? ;)

Yay , then good luck  :D. However news for the other names of the auction winners ?

We don't know yet!

Any link showing the auction page?

Not available yet...


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Sindelar1938 on December 09, 2014, 03:52:01 PM
This is interesting to track over time, thanks for sharing


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Flashman on December 09, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
He announced an intention to distribute 300 coin to each startup he's involved in.... so that might move again soon. Not sure if he has decided to go to 500 each from the way he split there, or that's just how he handles his coins.

Have you a link for this news ? I didn't read this thing.
http://www.coindesk.com/tim-draper-wins-2000-btc-second-bitcoin-auction/
http://www.coindesk.com/boost-vc-invest-additional-300-btc-tribe-5-bitcoin-startups/


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: JLynn171 on December 09, 2014, 04:38:40 PM
Nice details i tink i've seen some of these transactions go by on blockchain and couldnt help but wonder who was sending such large amounts at once and what they could  possibly be for if not for just money alone


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: picolo on December 09, 2014, 04:57:57 PM
Let's start vanitygen for the top one... what say ? ;)

Yay , then good luck  :D. However news for the other names of the auction winners ?

We don't know yet!

Any link showing the auction page?

Not available yet...

I found a few interesting articles :

US to auction 50k Bitcoins : http://www.cityam.com/1417682129/us-government-auctions-50000-bitcoins-seized-online-drugs-marketplace-silk-road

Tim Draper Wins Part of Second Silk Road Bitcoin Auction  : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-05/tim-draper-wins-part-of-second-silk-road-bitcoin-auction.html
http://www.cityam.com/1417872668/tim-draper-revealed-winner-second-us-bitcoin-auction


Latest Federal Bitcoin auction sees low enthusiasm : http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/12/07/latest-federal-bitcoin-auction-sees-low-enthusiasm

"Draper, who bid on behalf of Draper Associates, said in an e-mailed statement that he bid successfully for 2,000 bitcoins at yesterday’s tender. The auction was the second sale after the U.S. Marshals Service sold almost 30,000 bitcoins in June, which Draper won in its entirety. Draper didn’t disclose how much he paid for either winning bid."

FBI coins were suppose to bring the market to 200$ or lower according to bears, we have a price of 350$. Maybe we will get to 600$ or more when the FBI auctions news is old.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: RodeoX on December 09, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
Nice job Elwar! It is interesting to see what can be gleaned from these addresses.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: freedomno1 on December 09, 2014, 08:00:42 PM
Thanks for the interesting analysis Elwar if the coins are going into Big wallets it means that whoever is stockpiling them will need them for one reason or other, aka bitcoin development.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Elwar on December 10, 2014, 11:36:07 AM
So it appears that a Second Market syndicate was the one that got the 9 x 5000 and the one 3000 block.

They won 48000 of the bitcoins and Tim Draper got 2000.
http://www.coindesk.com/secondmarket-syndicate-bidders-real-winners-bitcoin-auction/


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Flashman on December 10, 2014, 11:45:37 AM
And an interesting point there, there's somewhere around 75,000 BTC worth of unfulfilled want there.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Searing on December 10, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
So it appears that a Second Market syndicate was the one that got the 9 x 5000 and the one 3000 block.

They won 48000 of the bitcoins and Tim Draper got 2000.
http://www.coindesk.com/secondmarket-syndicate-bidders-real-winners-bitcoin-auction/

no idea or leak on what it was per BTC yet? (looked thru above thread maybe I missed it?)



Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Elwar on December 10, 2014, 12:20:42 PM
So it appears that a Second Market syndicate was the one that got the 9 x 5000 and the one 3000 block.

They won 48000 of the bitcoins and Tim Draper got 2000.
http://www.coindesk.com/secondmarket-syndicate-bidders-real-winners-bitcoin-auction/

no idea or leak on what it was per BTC yet? (looked thru above thread maybe I missed it?)



it's not known...we still don't know the price Tim Draper paid back in July


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Jamie_Boulder on December 11, 2014, 12:35:18 PM
Good thread Elvar, some very interesting information!

Surprised Tim Draper didn't buy more considering his already scalable 25 million dollar "investment"


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Flashman on December 11, 2014, 02:09:23 PM
Surprised Tim Draper didn't buy more considering his already scalable 25 million dollar "investment"

As far as we know, he could have had bids on the lot, but didn't bid higher than the winners.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: botany on December 12, 2014, 01:35:17 PM
Surprised Tim Draper didn't buy more considering his already scalable 25 million dollar "investment"

As far as we know, he could have had bids on the lot, but didn't bid higher than the winners.

Given that he won all the lots in the previous auction, he might have thought he outbid all the others by a large amount.
So most probably he lowered his bids and lost most blocks in the auction.


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: Q7 on December 12, 2014, 02:14:56 PM
Wow...nice work there putting everything into so detail. I wonder how much did the winner actually paid for the bitcoin. I mean how low was that compared if they were to acquire from open market. I expect at least 10% lower


Title: Re: A breakdown of the auction results
Post by: turvarya on December 12, 2014, 02:57:25 PM
Wow...nice work there putting everything into so detail. I wonder how much did the winner actually paid for the bitcoin. I mean how low was that compared if they were to acquire from open market. I expect at least 10% lower
I don't think so. You just can get at that much Bitcoin on the open market, without raising the price.