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Title: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: spazzdla on December 09, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
The govs are now attempting to shutdown uber..

The push to shutdown all online sites they dislike only push the desire for open bazzar more.

IMO this could lead to a push in the want for decentralization so the govs don't stand a chance.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: GermanGiant on December 09, 2014, 03:13:28 PM
The govs are now attempting to shutdown uber..

The push to shutdown all online sites they dislike only push the desire for open bazzar more.

IMO this could lead to a push in the want for decentralization so the govs don't stand a chance.

Which govt is trying to shutdown Uber ?


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: Guido on December 09, 2014, 03:19:11 PM

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Which govt is trying to shutdown Uber ?

India and Spain already have

http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/09/judge-shuts-down-uber-in-spain-pending-taxi-association-court-action/

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/08/uber-rape-claim-india-7000-people-sign-petition



Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: jdbtracker on December 09, 2014, 04:02:46 PM
This is quite terrible, I don't think that they understand what they are doing.

Are people who Carpool going to require a license from now on? Do they need background checks?
Maybe we should shutdown the government because of individual politicians indiscretions.

What about all the Crimes commited by Taxi Drivers? Maybe we should protest in the same way, I don't remember such background checks ever being done by Drivers that rent vehicles with Taxi licenses.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: newIndia on December 09, 2014, 04:10:41 PM

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Which govt is trying to shutdown Uber ?

India and Spain already have

http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/09/judge-shuts-down-uber-in-spain-pending-taxi-association-court-action/

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/08/uber-rape-claim-india-7000-people-sign-petition



Can not speak about Spain, but I am very much aware of the case in India. Uber simply did not do what they said the authorities that they'll do for customer safety. They hired a driver without police verification and said the authority that they only accept drivers after verification. This is clear cheating with customers. Their charge is far higher than normal taxi service in India and they are not giving value against customer's money. There have been multiple cases lodged against them for consumer protection and if they dont comply to the laws of consumer protection, THEY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM INDIA.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on December 09, 2014, 04:37:50 PM
Uber is banned in ONE city in India.


A judge has ordered taxi booking service Uber to immediately stop operating in Spain, after a series of protests by taxi associations.

In his ruling on the temporary ban, the judge said Uber drivers didn't have official authorisation to drive their cars and was "unfair competition".

The move follows a complaint by the Madrid Taxi Association (  :D ! ).

The Spanish ban comes just a day after Uber was blacklisted in the Indian capital Delhi.


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30395093



please also ban ebay because there are scammers!
please also ban paypal, because they fuck their own customers all day and keep their money for no reason. please ban pornsites because some try to infect my computer with maleware.
please ban online shops, because some cheat and steal your money without sending stuff....or ban the Internet and we are all free and happy!

(note: its just plain stupid to ban Uber just because 1 Uber driver is a criminal. also normal registered taxidrivers killed and raped customers in the past.)

its like in the early days of the internet..."bad internet, be carefull! dont go there!"  ::)


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: newIndia on December 09, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
-snip-

(note: its just plain stupid to ban Uber just because 1 Uber driver is a criminal. also normal registered taxidrivers killed and raped customers in the past.)

-snip-

U r trying to oversimplify the issue here. Uber said they do police verification, whereas they dint. Uber costs far more than normal taxi service in India. Why will customer pay extra for false claim ? This is a case where authorities are taking correct step.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: countryfree on December 09, 2014, 11:02:06 PM
If a country bans Uber, that would be a great news for freedom. I just can't understand how some people can enjoy this service. It's like having the CIA watching all your moves. Taxis are anonymous and you can pay cash, that's what I like.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: slaveforanunnak1 on December 09, 2014, 11:05:58 PM

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Which govt is trying to shutdown Uber ?

India and Spain already have

http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/09/judge-shuts-down-uber-in-spain-pending-taxi-association-court-action/

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/08/uber-rape-claim-india-7000-people-sign-petition



Germany also


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: shogdite on December 10, 2014, 12:02:38 AM
Seems like a massive over-reaction, it's like banning breathing so you cant get lung cancer. Maybe common-sense will prevail...


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: MrGreenHat on December 10, 2014, 12:37:33 AM
If a country bans Uber, that would be a great news for freedom. I just can't understand how some people can enjoy this service. It's like having the CIA watching all your moves. Taxis are anonymous and you can pay cash, that's what I like.
not everyone needs a cloud of anonymity, in fact, the majority of the public does not care about their privacy until they lose it. Uber is a brilliant service, and I think that can be demonstrated by their success. Methinks you might be a little paranoid, but maybe you have reason ;).


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: koshgel on December 10, 2014, 12:49:57 AM
Taxi unions must be shitting themselves but why would governments care or try to shut down car pool services?


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 10, 2014, 12:58:54 AM
The Taxi Mafia can bribe the govt to ban Uber and prohibit ridesharing all they like.

Decentralized transportation networks like LaZooz cannot be stopped...   8)


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: tspacepilot on December 10, 2014, 01:00:26 AM
Gov't responding to the desires of vocal constituents.  I think that's pretty normal.  Not that it's necessarily correct, but I think it is the way things normally work.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: EnFinlay on December 10, 2014, 01:08:03 AM
Gov't responding to the desires of vocal constituents.  I think that's pretty normal.  Not that it's necessarily correct, but I think it is the way things normally work.

I completely agree.  An industry is being changed massively, it'd be crazy if it didn't go down without a fight.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: rapta on December 10, 2014, 01:13:26 AM
This is what happens when you threaten a long standing industry.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: bitkilo on December 10, 2014, 01:15:00 AM

 
please also ban paypal, because they fuck their own customers all day and keep their money for no reason. please ban pornsites because some try to infect my computer with maleware.

Hey come on now, let's not be rash or we may ban things we need.  :P


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: DonQuijote on December 10, 2014, 01:17:39 AM
Uber is banned in Spain:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/technology/uber-is-ordered-by-spain-and-thailand-to-halt-operations.html?_r=0


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 10, 2014, 01:24:00 AM
This is what happens when you threaten a long standing industry.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I just stole this from cypherdoc:

https://i.imgur.com/JKQqCGH.png



Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: bitkilo on December 10, 2014, 02:14:33 AM
There was a story here in Australia this week about some bloody do gooders making citizens arrest on Uber drivers, probably hired by the taxi operators.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: redhawk979 on December 10, 2014, 02:20:31 AM
Uber is literally the worst. They admitted to tracking everything people were doing on their phones, they lie about enforcing rules for background checks, but everyone wants to keep fellating them because "lol free market at work". They are the definition of bad actors. They don't give two shits.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: tropical0101 on December 10, 2014, 02:22:58 AM
Uber is literally the worst. They admitted to tracking everything people were doing on their phones, they lie about enforcing rules for background checks, but everyone wants to keep fellating them because "lol free market at work". They are the definition of bad actors. They don't give two shits.

sorry if this is a stupid question, (i know what is Open Bazaar) but what is Uber?


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: knight22 on December 10, 2014, 02:29:53 AM
Uber is literally the worst. They admitted to tracking everything people were doing on their phones, they lie about enforcing rules for background checks, but everyone wants to keep fellating them because "lol free market at work". They are the definition of bad actors. They don't give two shits.

sorry if this is a stupid question, (i know what is Open Bazaar) but what is Uber?

A  mobile app that allows anyone to be a cab.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: EnFinlay on December 10, 2014, 02:56:09 AM
So many uber haters...why?

Everyone loves joining in on a hate fest.  It says more about people than Uber, I think.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: seriouscoin on December 10, 2014, 03:12:55 AM
-snip-

(note: its just plain stupid to ban Uber just because 1 Uber driver is a criminal. also normal registered taxidrivers killed and raped customers in the past.)

-snip-

U r trying to oversimplify the issue here. Uber said they do police verification, whereas they dint. Uber costs far more than normal taxi service in India. Why will customer pay extra for false claim ? This is a case where authorities are taking correct step.

Are you fcking dense? You think your local taxi company also does 100% verification? In NY, taxi driver crime related are every fcking month.

As for the cost, let the market decide dumb ass. If riders agree to pay higher than regular taxi then its their call. Maybe your regular taxi is fcking FILTHY?


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: malaimult on December 10, 2014, 05:38:07 AM
Uber is literally the worst. They admitted to tracking everything people were doing on their phones, they lie about enforcing rules for background checks, but everyone wants to keep fellating them because "lol free market at work". They are the definition of bad actors. They don't give two shits.
They really are the free market at work. While I certainly do not approve of what is probably their dishonesty regarding background and driving checks, their supply/demand based pricing is going to allow both the drivers and the customers the best deal the market will allow, while any fixed rate pricing will always cause either the customer or the driver to get a worse then otherwise available deal


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: Notanon on December 10, 2014, 09:10:06 AM
There was a story here in Australia this week about some bloody do gooders making citizens arrest on Uber drivers, probably hired by the taxi operators.

Yeah, was a hire car driver in Sydney who was partnered up with Uber Black at one point, allegedly.

Funnily enough, Uber have been working with the Western Australian State Government to make sure that they are operating lawfully, including getting background checks and an appropriate extension on the licenses of drivers that wish to be involved.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: ArieNLG on December 10, 2014, 09:23:38 AM
Same overe here gouvernement try to shut it down because in holland taxi and  gouvernement are the same mafia clann

+10  uber


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: tropical0101 on December 10, 2014, 02:38:25 PM
Uber is literally the worst. They admitted to tracking everything people were doing on their phones, they lie about enforcing rules for background checks, but everyone wants to keep fellating them because "lol free market at work". They are the definition of bad actors. They don't give two shits.

sorry if this is a stupid question, (i know what is Open Bazaar) but what is Uber?

A  mobile app that allows anyone to be a cab.

So how these applications can be similar to each other? where can I read about it? any link?


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: turvarya on December 10, 2014, 02:53:29 PM
Uber is literally the worst. They admitted to tracking everything people were doing on their phones, they lie about enforcing rules for background checks, but everyone wants to keep fellating them because "lol free market at work". They are the definition of bad actors. They don't give two shits.

sorry if this is a stupid question, (i know what is Open Bazaar) but what is Uber?

A  mobile app that allows anyone to be a cab.

So how these applications can be similar to each other? where can I read about it? any link?
https://www.uber.com/
So many uber haters...why?

Everyone loves joining in on a hate fest.  It says more about people than Uber, I think.

Some months ago I realized how much people are hating on google. They are for sure no saints, but I still like them more, than the other big players, since they are more open about what they are doing.
I remember some years back, google was the internet messiah ...


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: countryfree on December 10, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
If a country bans Uber, that would be a great news for freedom. I just can't understand how some people can enjoy this service. It's like having the CIA watching all your moves. Taxis are anonymous and you can pay cash, that's what I like.

Uber has many benefits. One being simplified commuting.
Type in address and they arrive; can even choose a luxury car.

Cab?...need to call, creepy drivers, confusion, expensive, rude, dirty, etc.

Simplified?
You need a smartphone, you need to download an app, you need to register, you need a credit card, then you need to type...

It's easier to call a taxi to me. I don't know if it's more expensive, but I know I always prefer to hire the service of a professional, and nobody records my commuting.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: DonQuijote on December 10, 2014, 11:24:36 PM
If a country bans Uber, that would be a great news for freedom. I just can't understand how some people can enjoy this service. It's like having the CIA watching all your moves. Taxis are anonymous and you can pay cash, that's what I like.

Uber has many benefits. One being simplified commuting.
Type in address and they arrive; can even choose a luxury car.

Cab?...need to call, creepy drivers, confusion, expensive, rude, dirty, etc.

Simplified?
You need a smartphone, you need to download an app, you need to register, you need a credit card, then you need to type...

It's easier to call a taxi to me. I don't know if it's more expensive, but I know I always prefer to hire the service of a professional, and nobody records my commuting.


Why are you so concerned about people knowing your whereabouts?
Are you a bulgarian gangster who launders money or?...if so, I understand.

If not, you have no reason to hate uber.  :-\
Some people prefer to pay for a service with accident insurance


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 11, 2014, 12:42:54 AM
Some people prefer to pay for a service with accident insurance

Uber drivers have $1MM in coverage.

It helps the conversation when you know WTF you're talking about and don't have to be corrected with remedial lessons readily available on Google.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: elvizzzzzzz on December 11, 2014, 07:13:03 AM

It's easier to call a taxi to me. I don't know if it's more expensive, but I know I always prefer to hire the service of a professional, and nobody records my commuting.


You break into the taxi service office and wipe their computers?


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: DonQuijote on December 12, 2014, 09:43:51 PM
Some people prefer to pay for a service with accident insurance

Uber drivers have $1MM in coverage.

It helps the conversation when you know WTF you're talking about and don't have to be corrected with remedial lessons readily available on Google.
But... no all uber-drivers are "legal". They give them a card and work freely.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: NarC on December 12, 2014, 09:48:18 PM
Taxi unions must be shitting themselves but why would governments care or try to shut down car pool services?

A taxi license is like 100k or something silly like that. If everyone uses uber the govt misses out on a lot.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: jdbtracker on December 13, 2014, 01:59:40 AM
It always comes down to the Taxes and license costs. Municipalities are charging those licenses according to how much they would have earned through public transport. They are going to fight for their cut of the pie, unless Uber realizes this they will be fought all the way can't cut out the Governments Transportation Cash Cow.

They have to incorporate a way of allowing these municipalities to earn something from the work of their citizens, it would ease the Rhetoric.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: malaimult on December 13, 2014, 02:39:55 AM
Some people prefer to pay for a service with accident insurance

Uber drivers have $1MM in coverage.

It helps the conversation when you know WTF you're talking about and don't have to be corrected with remedial lessons readily available on Google.
There have been a number of instances when the passenger in an Uber vehicle was injured in an accident and the insurance did not cover their medical costs.

The $1 million of coverage is only effective when the Uber app is "on" and they are "officially" a fare of the driver. While you may think this is a simple concept, it has caused people not to be covered by their insurance when they really "should" have been

http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2014/06/19/uber-lyft-riders-might-not-be-covered-by-insurance-industry-claims


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 13, 2014, 05:51:20 AM
There have been a number of instances when the passenger in an Uber vehicle was injured in an accident and the insurance did not cover their medical costs.

The $1 million of coverage is only effective when the Uber app is "on" and they are "officially" a fare of the driver. While you may think this is a simple concept, it has caused people not to be covered by their insurance when they really "should" have been

http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2014/06/19/uber-lyft-riders-might-not-be-covered-by-insurance-industry-claims

That article is six months old and completely out of date.

Thanks to some high-profile cases and legislative action, ridesharing networks have improved their insurance coverage.

I've taken a few rides on Lyft and one on Uber.  Both services provided experiences far superior and more economical than using a cab.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: edward_cullen on December 13, 2014, 02:30:43 PM
Seems like a massive over-reaction, it's like banning breathing so you cant get lung cancer. Maybe common-sense will prevail...

Essentially.
Cab drivers are simply jealous.

I don't think the situation is as simple as that, there are more factors to consider.


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: malaimult on December 13, 2014, 08:28:49 PM
There have been a number of instances when the passenger in an Uber vehicle was injured in an accident and the insurance did not cover their medical costs.

The $1 million of coverage is only effective when the Uber app is "on" and they are "officially" a fare of the driver. While you may think this is a simple concept, it has caused people not to be covered by their insurance when they really "should" have been

http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2014/06/19/uber-lyft-riders-might-not-be-covered-by-insurance-industry-claims

That article is six months old and completely out of date.

Thanks to some high-profile cases and legislative action, ridesharing networks have improved their insurance coverage.

I've taken a few rides on Lyft and one on Uber.  Both services provided experiences far superior and more economical than using a cab.
I agree that the overall experience (and cost) is generally better on Uber then with traditional taxi service. I am not sure if the insurance issues have truly been resolved.

Either way I think the overall risk is low


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: tropical0101 on December 18, 2014, 07:27:26 PM
This Uber looks weird and for sure is not easy to use.. I prefer taxi or for traveling: http://www.blablacar.com/


Title: Re: Open bazzar, Uber and Bitcoin
Post by: countryfree on December 18, 2014, 11:52:45 PM
If a country bans Uber, that would be a great news for freedom. I just can't understand how some people can enjoy this service. It's like having the CIA watching all your moves. Taxis are anonymous and you can pay cash, that's what I like.

Uber has many benefits. One being simplified commuting.
Type in address and they arrive; can even choose a luxury car.

Cab?...need to call, creepy drivers, confusion, expensive, rude, dirty, etc.

Simplified?
You need a smartphone, you need to download an app, you need to register, you need a credit card, then you need to type...

It's easier to call a taxi to me. I don't know if it's more expensive, but I know I always prefer to hire the service of a professional, and nobody records my commuting.


Why are you so concerned about people knowing your whereabouts?
Are you a bulgarian gangster who launders money or?...if so, I understand.

If not, you have no reason to hate uber.  :-\

I'm just a simple guy who enjoys having a private life, and I want to keep it that way, but I've been questioned by police once because of my political activities, and I don't want this to happen again. The world isn't as free as many would like to believe.