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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: HQLD on December 10, 2014, 04:28:27 PM



Title: Primedice Scam
Post by: HQLD on December 10, 2014, 04:28:27 PM
Today I noticed that something must be wrong with Primedice.

Please just have a look at this screenshot, it should tell everything:


http://s28.postimg.org/qkcq3csop/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/qkcq3csop/full/)


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: FanEagle on December 10, 2014, 04:37:17 PM
It is a so beautiful picture that it's so bright I can't even see.
Edit: Whats wrong with that? I had a streak of 12 reds at 2x and I can't complain
Remember that statistics is bs, it's only reference.
Plus: I love people that never changes direction "over/under"


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: DarkCrimson on December 10, 2014, 04:41:04 PM
Sorry for your loss, but getting numerous losses in a row aren't astronomical odds...not even exceptionally unlikely odds. Especially considering the average amount of tosses going on at that site your bound to see win/loss streaks 5xs this size.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: kagawawa on December 10, 2014, 04:42:16 PM
You aren't lucky.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: HQLD on December 10, 2014, 04:48:51 PM
The strange thing is, if I am going to use a higher sum, I am loosing, even if it's 98% or so.
But if just betting the amount of the faucet, I am nearly always winning.



Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: niktitan132 on December 10, 2014, 04:51:29 PM
Primedice is not a scam,it's a provably fair dice site and you can verify your rolls. https://primedice.com/verify (https://primedice.com/verify)


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: FanEagle on December 10, 2014, 04:52:40 PM
That's not true, because with the faucet you are fearless, you don't care, while if you bet an higher amount, the risk of caring raises.
If not, Hufflepuff would be an illusion. But it's a real person, with the opposite luck that you had.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: seoincorporation on December 10, 2014, 04:58:43 PM
Today I noticed that something must be wrong with Primedice.

Please just have a look at this screenshot, it should tell everything:


http://s28.postimg.org/qkcq3csop/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/qkcq3csop/full/)

You lose 10 consecutive times and call the site scam?...

I call it Gambling.

The first time i lose 4 consecutive times at 95% to win, i learn a hard leason about dice, lol.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: Stunna on December 10, 2014, 05:27:58 PM
You do realize the rolls are verifiable? (https://primedice.com/verify) There is absolutely no way for the rolls to be rigged that wouldn't be detectable. It's pretty ignorant for you to lose a handful in a row and then assert publicly that the site is a scam. What I'm wondering is how many rolls you actually placed until you hit that streak, you've blocked out your name though unfortunately. I recommend you only wager what you're willing to lose and recognize the possibility of these streaks in the future. These types accusations are insulting and disrespectful to us for these reasons:

1. We paid out over 2300 coins of profit to one winner who we could have attempted to "rig" if we wanted to scam. This has resulted in us having a net loss on PD3. All of his rolls were verifiable and proven to be un-manipulated.

2. You are claiming we scammed you for a handful of dollars worth of coins

3. If we wanted to scam why wouldn't we just open up investments and scam 10k-20k+ coins. There are countless individuals who want to invest hundreds of coins in primedice and we aren't allowing it as there is no provably fair way to do so.


Provably fair is complicated but it works when implemented properly. Please read up here (https://primedice.com/verify) and let me know if you have further questions regarding fairness.



Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: BRE on December 10, 2014, 08:16:05 PM
Well i think OP dont know about provably fair system.
And yes some bettor will say " that site scam " when lose and never say anything when win.

1.Bet on trusted site ( PD is the most trusted dice site i think )
2.Gamble with your money , not your life ( dont use loan money or whatever can cause your life suck if lose it )
3.When gambling you only have 2 option , win or lose
4.If you want 100% always win ,write captcha in faucet dont gamble ...  :P



Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: Serlite on December 10, 2014, 08:34:15 PM
Can't really add much after Stunna's explanation, but just wanted to chime in in agreement that the site is not manipulating rolls. Since each roll number can be mathematically verified even offline, your string of losses is quite certainly attributable to just bad luck.

(Unless they somehow, impossibly, managed to crack SHA-256 encryption. But I'm pretty sure they'd be aiming for bigger things than the occasional few dollars then - such as hacking every Bitcoin wallet online. Or selling the method to the highest bidding government. Also, then the guy who developed SHA-256 would have really, really messed up.)


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: Snipe85 on December 11, 2014, 01:56:09 AM
10 lost 50% bets in a row? I had 11 once and saw someone with 13. I find it strange, just imagine flipping a coin and getting heads over 10 times in a row. Chances of that happening are pretty low.
Take a good advice and don't gamble. The house always wins :)


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: DarkCrimson on December 11, 2014, 04:48:13 AM
10 lost 50% bets in a row? I had 11 once and saw someone with 13. I find it strange, just imagine flipping a coin and getting heads over 10 times in a row. Chances of that happening are pretty low.
Take a good advice and don't gamble. The house always wins :)
yeah sure flipping a coin 10xs and getting that seems odd, not so odd if you flip the same coin 100,000xs and somewhere along the way you end up with a 20x streak of heads or tails. pd has over 2 billion total bets, so expect to see things like this frequently to say the least.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: MadZ on December 11, 2014, 08:07:56 AM
3. If we wanted to scam why wouldn't we just open up investments and scam 10k-20k+ coins. There are countless individuals who want to invest hundreds of coins in primedice and we aren't allowing it as there is no provably fair way to do so.

First of all, PD is absolutely not a scam, and the OP is just upset they got unlucky, but this point isn't really worth that much when defending legitimacy. Yes, you could make a lot more by running off with investments, but you also risk a lot more by doing so. A site might choose to scam subtly rather than blatantly because of how much more liable they would be to legal or personal reprisal as a result of blatant theft. Properly rigged rolls would leave a site with little fear of being caught/punished, while still being very profitable in the long run.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: FanEagle on December 11, 2014, 03:07:11 PM
Just to show you how primedice is fair my friend:
https://i.imgur.com/y0yNIQQ.png?1
I mean, look, it's even an harder level of difficulty than yours mate.
Fearless or not, even if I had 20 btc i would have done that with the same strategy.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: jinxx on December 11, 2014, 10:19:12 PM
it seems pretty fair to me lol.

esp what fan eagle just showed, you just had a bad streak?


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: karthus on December 12, 2014, 12:45:01 AM
primedice is legit as it gets comparing other failed dice sites.

eg: dicebitco.in is a huge example of a what scam really looks like, messing up nonce #`s per roll that skip wins, and other crappy flaws it had.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: kennenman on December 12, 2014, 10:54:19 PM
primedice is legit as it gets comparing other failed dice sites.

eg: dicebitco.in is a huge example of a what scam really looks like, messing up nonce #`s per roll that skip wins, and other crappy flaws it had.

i remember that, you mean this right? which that site obviously got shut down https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.2020

and no, primedice is not a scam because they been out for at least 2 years now.. and they been paying out ever since.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: wadili89 on December 13, 2014, 07:50:47 AM
You were unlucky. That doesnt mean that site is scam. They have a lot more to lose by trying to scam small amounts from you.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: Danx- on December 13, 2014, 07:55:50 AM
it only says you didn't win these bets, I mean if you could prove the bets/results don't match the number that provably fair produces then it could be something....


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: okae on December 14, 2014, 04:44:29 PM
Well i think you was just very unlucky, from my own experience i can tell you that im always unlucky too, but who know, there is some ppl thats seems to win time to time some BTC on those sites.

btw never never invest or play with BTC that you can not afford to lose.


Title: Re: Primedice Scam
Post by: luciann on December 15, 2014, 04:31:19 AM
i just lost my bitcoin, with 90% lol.

i won 6 times, then lost so you gotta learn when to stop.. i learned it the hard way.. fml.