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Title: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: RyanW on May 19, 2011, 09:11:02 AM
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Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: inh on May 19, 2011, 10:18:22 AM
Shooting you a PM :)


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: Clarithium on May 19, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
PM Sent.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: moof on May 19, 2011, 03:09:31 PM
what about shipping to Russia?


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: RyanW on May 19, 2011, 07:41:31 PM
I could ship internationally but it will cost more then listed prices. Send me a pm to discuss details.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: EPiSKiNG on May 19, 2011, 07:47:11 PM
I could ship internationally but it will cost more then listed prices. Send me a pm to discuss details.

Pm sent.  I call one!   Hopefully two!

EP


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: InstantBTC on May 19, 2011, 08:37:29 PM
I sent you a PM, looking forward to hearing back from you.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: Inaba on May 19, 2011, 10:43:23 PM
Well folks, I'd be really careful with this transaction.

I've offered to buy all three through Clearcoin, which was refused unless I release Clearcoin after I received the tracking numbers. Since it's easy to generate tracking numbers and never send anything or send empty boxes, that makes it kind of pointless.

To protect against a scam, I offered to transfer cash via Paypal and then he could refund the Paypal and I would send the BTC after I received the cards.  This offer was refused as well.

He suggested that I send half (105 BTC) through Clearcoin and release that after he provided the tracking numbers and then the other half after receiving the cards.  Again, that leaves me out 105 BTC if nothing is shipped, a sizable amount by any measure.

I then offered to transfer the funds to a trusted third party that we both can agree on, which was refused.  I then offered to just buy them outright on Paypal AND cover the fees, so there would be no cost or hassle to him... this, too, was refused.  One of the replies stated that if he can't find anyone to trust him on here (meaning send him $1400+ in BTC anonymously), he would eBay them or post them on OCN.  So... he is willing to eBay them and pay eBay fees and Paypal fees, but he's not willing to sell for Paypal outright with the fees being covered?  Umm, hello?

Not saying this guy is scamming, but it basically flags every single tickmark in the "This is probably a scam" brochure.

1. Just signed up with the forum today. Check
2. First thread is selling exceptionally desirable equipment for exceptionally good prices. Check
3. Wants payment up front. Check
4. Won't deal with any sort of method that protects the buyer. Check
5. Won't take PPUSD. Check

I even offered up my name, home address and phone number so that he knows I'm legit, but nothing will sway him.  This could be legitimate, but the fact that he's willing to sell on eBay (and consequently Paypal) and have to absorb those fees, but he's not willing to sell with the fees covered basically sealed the fact for me that there is something hinky going on here.

Buyer beware is all I have to say.  Not trying to denigrate anyone or threadcrap, but there's nothing to make me feel comfortable with this deal at all.  Maybe someone will get a smoking deal by taking a chance, but that person is not, apparently, going to be me.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: InstantBTC on May 19, 2011, 11:00:41 PM
@Inaba Thanks you just convinced me to steer clear as well, unless he can be more lenient towards people who can prove their worth.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: happyland on May 19, 2011, 11:30:28 PM
I would also like to say for the record that I have also tried the following with this seller:
-Offered to use clearcoin, he declined saying it's too easy for the buyer to screw over the seller this way
-Offered to have him list them on eBay with a buy-it-now, that way we are both protected, he declined as well
-Offered to use a trusted third party on the forum to mediate, this was also declined

Agreed that this is very suspicious...
Well folks, I'd be really careful with this transaction.

I've offered to buy all three through Clearcoin, which was refused unless I release Clearcoin after I received the tracking numbers. Since it's easy to generate tracking numbers and never send anything or send empty boxes, that makes it kind of pointless.

To protect against a scam, I offered to transfer cash via Paypal and then he could refund the Paypal and I would send the BTC after I received the cards.  This offer was refused as well.

He suggested that I send half (105 BTC) through Clearcoin and release that after he provided the tracking numbers and then the other half after receiving the cards.  Again, that leaves me out 105 BTC if nothing is shipped, a sizable amount by any measure.

I then offered to transfer the funds to a trusted third party that we both can agree on, which was refused.  I then offered to just buy them outright on Paypal AND cover the fees, so there would be no cost or hassle to him... this, too, was refused.  One of the replies stated that if he can't find anyone to trust him on here (meaning send him $1400+ in BTC anonymously), he would eBay them or post them on OCN.  So... he is willing to eBay them and pay eBay fees and Paypal fees, but he's not willing to sell for Paypal outright with the fees being covered?  Umm, hello?

Not saying this guy is scamming, but it basically flags every single tickmark in the "This is probably a scam" brochure.

1. Just signed up with the forum today. Check
2. First thread is selling exceptionally desirable equipment for exceptionally good prices. Check
3. Wants payment up front. Check
4. Won't deal with any sort of method that protects the buyer. Check
5. Won't take PPUSD. Check

I even offered up my name, home address and phone number so that he knows I'm legit, but nothing will sway him.  This could be legitimate, but the fact that he's willing to sell on eBay (and consequently Paypal) and have to absorb those fees, but he's not willing to sell with the fees covered basically sealed the fact for me that there is something hinky going on here.

Buyer beware is all I have to say.  Not trying to denigrate anyone or threadcrap, but there's nothing to make me feel comfortable with this deal at all.  Maybe someone will get a smoking deal by taking a chance, but that person is not, apparently, going to be me.



Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: inh on May 19, 2011, 11:54:19 PM
I'd really like these cards too, but all the effort to avoid all the reasonable offers has me sketched.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: sc8nt4u on May 19, 2011, 11:58:08 PM
Sounds fishy. Jump ship everyone!


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale.
Post by: Rysterf on May 20, 2011, 01:09:20 AM
I hope no one falls for this.  :(


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: Jere.Jones on May 20, 2011, 01:39:50 AM
Well, I did fall for this.  May be my trusting nature, but we'll see.  I have sent him the 210 BTC as can be seen here:

http://blockexplorer.com/address/1CUkXvEbAgWAqtJockjXyJBu91TY5CHhen

Whether he is honest, or not, I'll report back and let y'all know.

Of course, an immediate confirmation of dishonesty would be if he accepted payment from anyone else as well.  Did anyone else ship him any BTC?  Without someone else buying it as well, I choose to be optimistic for now.  The last time I trusted someone from these forums (gusti), it worked out well.  I hope this one will too.

Jere



Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: sc8nt4u on May 20, 2011, 01:41:21 AM
Well, I did fall for this.  May be my trusting nature, but we'll see.  I have sent him the 210 BTC as can be seen here:

http://blockexplorer.com/address/1CUkXvEbAgWAqtJockjXyJBu91TY5CHhen

Whether he is honest, or not, I'll report back and let y'all know.

Of course, an immediate confirmation of dishonesty would be if he accepted payment from anyone else as well.  Did anyone else ship him any BTC?  Without someone else buying it as well, I choose to be optimistic for now.  The last time I trusted someone from these forums (gusti), it worked out well.  I hope this one will too.

Jere



Gusti has a very good reputation though. Good luck, and keep us posted.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: Jered Kenna (TradeHill) on May 20, 2011, 04:44:46 AM
Following this, hope you don't get scammed. Pretty trusting.
I hope you at least got verified contact info.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: Inaba on May 20, 2011, 03:29:11 PM
The fact that he hasn't posted here to defend himself is a bit strange as well. If I were legit, I'd have said something and kept people posted in this thread to build my rep.  Good luck man, I hope you get your smokin' deal on these cards.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: InstantBTC on May 20, 2011, 05:00:41 PM
Now, I could be wrong but on that block explorer I see that he has been sent 80 btc from one address, and 210 from another address, it looks like he is overselling a supply that I am doubtful he actually has :(

Here is the shortlink or just click the link above, I personally dont have much experience with block explorer so I don't know for sure.
http://blockexplorer.com/a/5mk53fpmKc


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: happyland on May 20, 2011, 06:15:59 PM
Now, I could be wrong but on that block explorer I see that he has been sent 80 btc from one address, and 210 from another address, it looks like he is overselling a supply that I am doubtful he actually has :(

Here is the shortlink or just click the link above, I personally dont have much experience with block explorer so I don't know for sure.
http://blockexplorer.com/a/5mk53fpmKc

Nope, from the looks of it he received 130 and then 80 in separate transactions.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: Littleshop on May 20, 2011, 10:13:11 PM
I would not assume this has gone bad quite yet.  He closed the topic and it is not sure that he got more then the total asking price. 


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: borito4 on May 20, 2011, 11:19:33 PM
No it is sure. I bought one and someone else bought 3.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: Inaba on May 20, 2011, 11:34:35 PM
So you bought one of the three, Borito?  And someone bought all three... yep.  That sounds like some people got sssssscammed.  Sorry guys, I feel really bad for you. I should have posted something sooner, but I was trying to figure out if it was legit or not.  I don't like to accuse people without having some compelling evidence for the fact.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: Littleshop on May 21, 2011, 12:36:20 AM
No it is sure. I bought one and someone else bought 3.

Ok.  Not sounding good then!  :(


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: Jere.Jones on May 21, 2011, 02:18:13 AM
Sucks loosing 210 BTC, but I'll take it as a learning experience.

I'm not saying it was a scam yet.  Gotta stay optimistic.  If I do receive the cards, I'll post back here.

Jere


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: Clipse on May 21, 2011, 09:41:23 PM
When I see these kind of situations I think no offers above atleast BTC10 should be allowed to be made directly in this forum.

Any offer above that should be done via clearcoin or another alternative where both parties have some insurance.

These kind of offers just make a forum feel miff after a while.


Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: trentzb on May 21, 2011, 10:07:32 PM
I am not 100% sure this is the same guy that got me but it sure sounds similar. If it is the same guy he is getting a little smarter as last time he left GPS coords in his exif data. It also looks like he got a new Samsung phone, good for him.

Compare the exif data in the photos at the beginning of this topic (3 x 6990's) and the exif data in my post at http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=7862.0 (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=7862.0)...not entirely a match but similar.

If this is not the same guy I welcome this one (or the one that got me) to post to either topic and refute the suspicions.



Title: Re: 3 Sapphire 6990's for sale. [CLOSED]
Post by: Inaba on May 22, 2011, 01:14:05 PM
Just as a point of reference, the T959 is a Samsung Vibrant, which means he's on T-Mobile.  The T-896 is a Samsung Galaxy S I9000, which means it's any GSM phone.  However, being the developer for one of the original unlock methods for the Vibrant, I know that loading certain ROMs or changing your nv_data.bin file will give you a T-896 identifier on a Vibrant... so it's likely the same phone with a different ROM on it, or he unlocked it improperly/mucked with his nv_data.bin file.

Given all the other evidence, it's unlikely it's a different person. Quite likely it's the same kid.  So he lives in LA, uses T-Mobile as his carrier and has some GPS coordinates to his house.  Easy enough to stop by and check it out.