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Hello. We'd like to request a dedicated section for these three languages.
The languages are very similar and we can understand each other perfectly fine. The threads became quite large in the subforum and maybe it's time for a dedicated section.
Also, a staff member probably approves it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25215.msg9838312#msg9838312
If required, I'll gladly perform moderation on the subforum.

Thanks.

Yeah,it would really come good to have a dedicated section for Croatian,Serbian and Bosnian language.It's quite hard to find any info for which you are searching in example Croatian thread,there are 200 pages to search through..even searching with the search function is not always very helpful.

The Croatian thread seriously got big, that's true. The Serbian/Bosnian threads aren't that big, but still, their respective languages are close to being same, so I don't see why they shouldn't be included in the subforum.

Moreover, they are near Italy, so I'm sure that a bigger Croatian community will be even useful for the italian part ;D
Maybe this will increase some interesting exchange between the two lands ;)

its would be nice if there was a section like balkan language for those 3 or 4 countries!!

That too! Cooperation would be nice. Maybe someone travels Croatia-Italy or vice-versa :)

The Balkan community isn't quite small here on Bitcointalk, and that's why I'm suggesting a subforum/section not only for Croatia, but combined with Bosnia, and Serbia.

It would certainly be helpful to members who speak those languages!

I've been carefully watching different languages in 'Other languages/locations'. The Croatian thread has the most posts, and 3-4 times more than the 2nd most replied to thread.
It is definitely time to give them their own section.

Croatian board created.

Thanks theymos. I'll tell my Croatian friends. :)

Thanks theymos. Who is going to moderate it?
I apply :D

Thanks a lot theymos.   :)


I apply,too.  8) 

Congrats guys!

Great! This was fast :D

Great news!!!
Thank you very much!
Croatian thread really become to big and it was difficult lately to find some info or search for ''old'' info.
This will help also bitcoin users not just in Serbia and Bosnia, but also Slovenia, Montenegro.
Way to go!

You sound like you had some evil plans ;D

nah, I just know that sometimes it just needed to give a little push in the right direction and then, maybe, something will happen ;)

I missed this originally. Is this true? Should I rename the board to something that combines all three languages? If so, what should it be called?

Yes. The languages are very, very similar. Name it simply "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian", I dunno.

Language sections are named "[local name for language] ([English name for language])". Is Hrvatski the correct name for the language(s) in all three languages? If not, what are the three words for the languages in the three languages? Or is there some other single word that means "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian"?

Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian would translate to Hrvatski/Bosanski/Srpski
Same translation for each language.

EXYU would be right for all the countries from Yugoslavia which speak similar languages. I've seen a few forums which have that section instead of specific for each of those countries. Maybe that could work?

Slovenian and Macedonian language differs from ours unfortunately.

please do not, I'm tired of everyone putting us in the same basket, this only makes it worse

I can handle Croatian/Bosnian but EXYU or Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian no, there will be people writing in cyrillic and neither Croats or Bosniaks understand that lettering

besides, in Bosnia, Croats are one of the 3 nations so I don't see a problem why Bosniaks wouldn't read a thread in the official language of their country (Croatian,Bosnian,Serbian)

Also Croatian and Bosnian are 90% the same (differences in months like they use english words aka. Februar for February while we use Veljača), but Serbian language differs in almost all words in pronunciation and spelling besides the words for months etc. (all simmiliar words are different, for example we say mlijeko, they say mleko), we can understand them but I find it tiring to keep reading that language
not to mention different words like we say we say mrkva, they say šargarepa, we say željezo, they say gvožđe..

I don't mind having the same thread with Bosniaks, since I can't even notice a difference if I'm speaking to someone from Bosnia or Croatia

Call them serbo-croatian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian

They don't write Cyrillic in their current thread. And I can't see the reason why you wouldn't understand what they're saying (I'm talking about Serbs).

It seems that we don't have agreement about this at the moment, so either start poll about the name of our subforum or don't change anything (Croatian or hrvatski is fine for me).
Also, I would like to suggest Parazyd as the moderator in Croatian subforum.
Others can add their opinions or we can also start pool about this suggestions, if necessary.

I don't know why that still exists on wikipedia

but the EU only reckognized Croatian as the official language


I see, I'm saying I can understand their latin lettering
but I find it tiring to keep reading it

if they want to, they can read the material from our thread

but as I see, India has their own board

altough their official language is English, which they also speak in the board

I don't see why our threads/boards would join together

Wikipedia anybody can edit.
I will never use Wikipedia as official source of info.

Let's not go into politics, please :D

this is also wrong :D

how would we understand each other with the Greeks,Bulgarians and Albanians?

Geographically, half of Croatia isn't even a part of the Balkans

You're wrong and obviously have less forum experience than I do. If someone from Croatia doesn't understand this "Februar" then fuck this world.
For any words that differ, Google is your solution. You can find anything.
Also it's easy, just state that Cyrillic is not allowed, problem solved. I've never ever seen someone type Cyrillic in an EXYU 'subforum'.

LaudaM: Even Serbs on this forum type latin :)

where did I state we don't understand it? :D

you misinterpreted

I said, I can handle Bosnian since the only difference is in naming the months

however, with Serbian there are too many differences, I find it too annoying to keep reading the language

some plain stuff is okay, but as soon as it gets more complicated all words are different and you have to google everything

India has it's own board, it's not subjected to the English

why would we be?

You may call BCS but is same.Source is university

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Serbo-Croatian_language.html

http://slaviccenters.duke.edu/webliogra/bosnian-croatian-serbian

AFAIK in Bosnian and Croatian clubs there are often if not mostly Serbian songs. The people don't seem to have an issue with understanding each other/others language. I still don't understand your issue here. American and British English have words that are somewhat different too?
Exactly my point.

that's not even close!

American English and British English are like Croatian and Bosnian

exactly the same language!

Croatian and Serbian have less then 5% the same words, the thing it's based as "the same" is because the words are simmilar
mleko --> mlijeko etc.

but people from Slovakia speak a simmilar language too, why not let them in the thread too?  :-\
they at least have the same months as we do among the simmilar words :)

If we weren't in the same country for 70 years

we would understand shit between each other, Serbian would be like Czech to us today

I mean, just look at this words

http://hr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Razlikovni_rječnik_hrvatskog_jezika_i_srpskog_jezika

the only reason we know their meaning is 70 years of forced Serbo-Croatian

I find it extremly degrading if our sub-section would be called "Serbo-Croatian"

Our languages are different, it's time to stop trying to put us together

Why don't we have the same sub-section with people from Slovakia?

I can understand them fine too  :-\
In fact, their most common last name is Horvat :D


seriously?

https://i.imgur.com/mH3mAxj.png

click on it


you just re-posted wikipedia content

and the other is a slavic center..

Actually you're very wrong. That percentage is made up.
prof. dr Volf Ošlis (was an important man in Germany, not sure about now) stated a few years back that the breakdown on Croatian and Serbian is idiotic. There are just variations of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavian_language thus the same language, he stated. You can find this information easily.
But this is pointless, since you won't admit to being wrong no matter what.

I give up/last post.
~Lauda.

Seriously?

Yugoslavian language?

These are variations of the same language?

https://i.imgur.com/zPAKK3v.png

I can better understand a Slovak then an Albanian

All of these languages originate of one language, that is true
But that language is the old-slavic, proto-slavic, that's why on my trip I could communicate with people in Prague and in Bratislava on Croatian when they didn't understand English
If different, please tell me why are our languages simmilar, how do we communicate with these slavic nations that are not "South"?

Yugo means "South", guess they make names for new countries according to the compass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Slavic (since Wikipedia is a credible source..)

Serbian language was first mentioned in the 14th century

Croatian language is first mentioned in 1275. (over 20 times)

Serbo-Croatian was first mentioned in 1836.

Please tell me which language is made up

Admiting wrong? You're talking about that after posting "do not cite" material claiming it as proof?

http://ec.europa.eu/languages/policy/language-policy/official_languages_hr.htm

Why isn't Serbo-Croatian an official language?

Consitution of Republic of Croatia, Chapter 12

Translation: Official language and lettering in Republic of Croatia is Croatian language and latin lettering.

Constitution of Republic of Serbia, Chapter 10

Now, the most interesting

Bosnia&Herzegovina has 3 constitutional nations (Croats,Serbs and Bosniaks)

As you claim they all speak Serbo-Croatian

well, your wikipedia sad


However, in the country where all these nations live, the official language isn't Serbo-Croatian  ???
How, if that's


Constitution of Federation of Bosnia&Herzegovina, Chapter 6
Translation: Official languages of the Federation are the Bosnian language and the Croatian language. Official lettering is latin.

Consitution of Republika Srpska (entity of Bosnia&Herzegovina), Chapter 7


Interestingly, in Montenegro, in official use there are Serbian,Croatian and Bosnian, however, still, the official language isn't Serbo-Croatian

Montenegrin constitution, Chapter 13


Why isn't Serbo-Croatian an official language in any of the countries it's allegedly spoke in? Why isn't Serbo-Croatian an official language of the EU, since Croatia entered the union and we allegedly speak it?

It seems that on this issue we can not achieve complete consensus.
If so, let's start poll and check out what others want, and decide based on the results.
Otherwise, we will have here endless discussion here without any final decision.
Second poll we can start about moderator for our subforum.

Let's just wait for theymos and see how it resolves.

OK, I agree with you.
Let's stop this unnecessary discussion.

Indeed. I can't discuss anymore since some people are on the ignore list.  ::)
Well given the situation, any solution is better than none.

Respect to Parazyd for suggesting this.

I totally agree we should have all them combined , its the same language .

But i also understand some people will mix politics into this and will be against it.

So, what i suggest is , make a poll and we all vote for combining that three languages into one section or against it.

Portuguese board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=29) has Brasil and Portugal subforums.
If you think they are similar but different languages, I think the best solution is making alt-boards for Serbian and Bosnian under the Croatian board. I don't see any active Bosnian thread btw.

They are basically the same more than just similar. But that could also work good.


PS: Put ur ref link into ur primedice signature u could get some refs and earn nice from it till pd sig campaign starts again.

Did you reach the agreement?

Unfortunately... no. But de facto the Croatian section became more or less the "unofficial" "ex-Yugo" place to meet...  ;D

And what about the mod?

Also... unfortunately... no. But there is (thankfully!) moderation in the sense that if something highly irregular is being reported prompt action is undertaken.

Looks like theymos is busy again or hasn't found a suitable candidate. I do not see a need to rush it though, things aren't out of control yet.

Somehow like this, yeah... There are people from other countries that post in our Croat section. It's nice :D


Seems like nobody gives a damn about this anymore. The board is kinda OK for now, there's not much trash talk. But some threads could use splitting.

this is a really good idea i agree with all of this
but i wish that there is a sub section for all 3 languages combined...not only for croatian
also i can help out in those section...but i dont know if anyone wants to candidate me for that place...

I have nothing against croatian/bonsian/serbian joint section if the comunity realy supports the idea, but i am going to ask one thing; what happens when some people start writing cyrillic alphabet?
Half of the croatian/bosnian wont be able to read it, and its dumb to have situations like that.

I think its better to leave each country apart, and avoid future problems.
That staff member didnt mean he agrees with having the same section for 3 nationalities, he was referring to croatian section to come from subsection to its own section. (like it is now,his idea was done)

cheers

Notice that they (I'm thinking you mean Serbs) don't use Cyrillic characters even in their own thread.

We're beating a dead horse here people. The decision has been made; a Croatian section has been made, no Serbian or Bosnian nor a combination.

I can live perfectly happy with the idea. As I already said in the Serb section too: weeks can go by without any action there (so no need for a separate section), and Bosnian is even less...

So if you like you (we/all) are welcome to join any discussion that you can read/write the language of... Have fun!

PS. a mod. for the Croatian section would be nice though...  ;)