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Title: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: btc-casino on December 16, 2014, 03:04:25 AM
Welcome to BTC Casino (http://btc-casino.com) - one of the very few Bitcoin gambling sites (and possibly the only Bitcoin dice site) using true randomness.

http://s16.postimg.org/ils2q9h6d/png.png (http://btc-casino.com)

You can roll two 10-sided (D&D-style) dice to get a number from 0 to 99. On the inside, our numbers come from atmospheric radio noise, mostly caused by distant lightning strikes (which means a lot of random sources; believe it or not, there are - worldwide - around 100 lightnings every second and ~1800 separate thunderstorms happening at any given moment). The data is provided by Random.org.

Other dice sites use purely mathematical RNGs.

http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/00000/2000/300/2318/2318.strip.gif

The site is still in development. At the moment you can only play with dummy bitcoins, so the house edge is 0% - you can see how well you can do when the casino has no advantage over you.

Have fun!


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: bitbaby on December 16, 2014, 06:30:04 AM
Interesting concept, Simple design but it works, it needs few buttons like x2, /2, Max, Min. One question though, since the rolls are from atmospheric noises, there wouldn't be a way to actually verify them, right?


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: zuggu on December 16, 2014, 08:36:20 AM
I think you should added a bouton to roll under & over

another boutton to help in betting X2 /2 max

anyway great work  ;)


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: Tschai on December 16, 2014, 11:46:58 AM
Very interesting, indeed.

Hope to see this happen with real Bitcoins...!

Interesting concept, Simple design but it works, it needs few buttons like x2, /2, Max, Min. One question though, since the rolls are from atmospheric noises, there wouldn't be a way to actually verify them, right?
Should be simple enough: if you bet 10 times, you should win a 5 times with 50% chance  ;D
But seriously; at this time you can verify it by increasing the chance-o-meter to 99%; you'll (almost) always win.

That actually raises the question: is this concept profitable for the owner at all if it would be truly random?
And also the bigger the chances the micro/pico/nano the betting should be.

Nice challenges for the owner...but if he can actually realize this concept, it should give this site an edge above the rest of the dice sites!
*follows thread*


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: 2dogs on December 16, 2014, 12:11:39 PM
Following this - worth a study.

Checking out one of the sites, but will update results after testing this concept.


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: BAGOBO on December 16, 2014, 12:45:08 PM
I've test it and very nice.

Still 0% house of house edge huh..

Want to see if this site completely develop


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: Bobblehead Pete on December 16, 2014, 12:57:12 PM
Cool site.. :) Happy to see gambling network growing!


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: NeuroticFish on December 16, 2014, 03:52:17 PM
Wonderful Dilbert cartoon! I hope that your randomness is a little bit more... random though :)

And.. such a nice description for data actually from random.org. Hats off!

Your site is right now just a loooong text and some (ref) links. C'mon! People wants to gamble on a gambling site! Put a small faucet or test coins and show us how it works!


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: Snail2 on December 16, 2014, 04:10:36 PM
From two series of 10 rolls on 50% I won 8 times firs and then 7 times in the second round... Is this surely random? I should win only 6 times from 10 rolls at best.


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: madhatter. on December 16, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
Good luck for your Launch  ;)

I actually like the concept of defining What random is
Nice concept and nice start with 0% House edge
Any launch detaiks ?


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: SpreadBit on December 16, 2014, 04:32:56 PM
Do you think u can handle 0% house edge?
good luck mate


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: btc-casino on December 16, 2014, 04:45:06 PM
Added x2, /2, min and max buttons as requested.

I want to make it clear that the 0% house edge is only for now.
When the site goes commercial, I plan to introduce a low but nonzero house edge. I would not trust a commercial casino that offers 0% house edge anyways.


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: NeuroticFish on December 16, 2014, 04:50:08 PM
Ohhh, good thing I came back to your site.
Stupid me, I just found out that the big red text is a button. (me hides)

Now.. can I choose the "opposite side"? Like the big numbers win and the small numbers lose?


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: Coef on December 16, 2014, 06:15:22 PM
I can see that you are using
Code:
rand = httpGet("http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=99&col=1&base=10&format=plain&rnd=new&differ=" + (new Date()).getTime());
to generate the result, but then the result will be from 1, 2, ..., 99, each with 1/99 chance.

So, the chance seems to be off.
For example, the chance to roll a number under 1 should be 0%, while the chance to roll a number under 99 should be 98/99.



Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: unamis76 on December 16, 2014, 07:06:56 PM
The concept looks interesting... Will try it soon!


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: bitcoinmining on December 16, 2014, 11:51:05 PM
The idea looks interesting, you need to do signature campaign to advertise it to BCT community. it will be profitable to the owner if site has some circulation soon...


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: btc-casino on December 17, 2014, 07:04:51 AM
I can see that you are using
Code:
rand = httpGet("http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=99&col=1&base=10&format=plain&rnd=new&differ=" + (new Date()).getTime());
to generate the result, but then the result will be from 1, 2, ..., 99, each with 1/99 chance.

So, the chance seems to be off.
For example, the chance to roll a number under 1 should be 0%, while the chance to roll a number under 99 should be 98/99.


My stupid mistake, fixed it. Now the numbers range from 0 to 99, 1/100 chance each. Thanks!


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: CrackedLogic on December 17, 2014, 07:12:43 AM
Really nice description Random.org  :D.
The idea looks interesting, you need to do signature campaign to advertise it to BCT community. it will be profitable to the owner if site has some circulation soon...

There should be one and will the site get a face-lift?


Title: Re: BTC Casino - true randomness from atmospheric noise
Post by: bitbaby on December 17, 2014, 09:41:24 AM
Added x2, /2, min and max buttons as requested.

I want to make it clear that the 0% house edge is only for now.
When the site goes commercial, I plan to introduce a low but nonzero house edge. I would not trust a commercial casino that offers 0% house edge anyways.

Thanks :) Let's hope you finish with all the testing and give us a date for the launch soon. As you can see the concept is liked by most people so far and they're ready to play for real, including me :). Wish you good luck with your site.