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Title: End of year price prediction
Post by: goxed on June 24, 2012, 06:09:03 AM
Due to change in inflation scheme, what would be your best guess?


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Technomage on June 24, 2012, 11:49:25 AM
The result of the vote is showing me the middle finger right now. How cute. I do agree with the result though, more specifically I think that the price will be somewhere between $10 and $15 on that date.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: mp420 on June 24, 2012, 01:59:07 PM
Around $10, I think. Might be much higher, won't be lower than $5.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Serge on June 24, 2012, 03:01:41 PM
we'll be lucky to have it at $10 at year's end


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: proudhon on June 24, 2012, 03:03:39 PM
we'll be lucky to have it at $10 at year's end

We'll be lucky to see the price above $6.80 between now and the end of the year.  I think my prediction of single digit prices for the next year is solidly on track.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: yogi on June 24, 2012, 03:22:08 PM
The recent price rise may be preemptive of the reward dorop. If so I can see the year ending with a speculative bubble.

$12.50.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: YoYa on June 24, 2012, 03:23:16 PM
The result of the vote is showing me the middle finger right now. How cute. I do agree with the result though, more specifically I think that the price will be somewhere between $10 and $15 on that date.

I voted on the basis of this post, Bitcoin will (still)be giving a middle finger to the world come years end.....  ;D


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: FreeMoney on June 24, 2012, 03:25:11 PM
Due to change in inflation scheme, what would be your best guess?

The scheme is not changing. The current scheme is a constantly falling rate of inflation with discontinuities.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: dancupid on June 24, 2012, 03:28:49 PM
I think about $16 after coming down from a $30+ bubble


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Tomatocage on June 25, 2012, 12:10:21 AM
The recent price rise may be preemptive of the reward dorop. If so I can see the year ending with a speculative bubble.

$12.50.

This is what I don't understand.  The the forecasted price increase come the block halving always seems to be double the *current* price.  A couple months ago it was $10.  Now it's $12.50.  The target keeps moving :(


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: notme on June 25, 2012, 12:14:59 AM
The recent price rise may be preemptive of the reward dorop. If so I can see the year ending with a speculative bubble.

$12.50.

This is what I don't understand.  The the forecasted price increase come the block halving always seems to be double the *current* price.  A couple months ago it was $10.  Now it's $12.50.  The target keeps moving :(

And by the time we get there it will be mostly priced in.  There might be a small rise since some people will still be caught unaware, but I don't expect much.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Joric on June 25, 2012, 02:11:00 AM
Oh that's just beautiful! Nobody expected it will cost less than $5. Literally 0 people (at the moment of posting).


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: mem on June 25, 2012, 04:24:47 AM
Im calling it now, the price will slump / crash to $3.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Serge on June 25, 2012, 04:59:07 AM
Im calling it now, the price will slump / crash to $3.

why stop at $3?


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Technomage on June 25, 2012, 11:32:43 AM
why stop at $3?
Indeed. A drop to $3 in the current Bitcoin situation can only happen if something devastating happens. If something technically devastating happens, it could easily go to pennies. So I agree with this, slow decline makes 0 sense so if you're going for a catastrophy, why stop at $3. :)


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: molecular on June 25, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
why stop at $3?
Indeed. A drop to $3 in the current Bitcoin situation can only happen if something devastating happens. If something technically devastating happens, it could easily go to pennies. So I agree with this, slow decline makes 0 sense so if you're going for a catastrophy, why stop at $3. :)

Doesn't have to be a catastrophy. Maybe something like bitcoin being made "illegal" (however that is supposed to work) in some important jurisdiction or maybe russia + china introducing a gold currency. That probably would push the price down hard, but not to $0.01.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Foxpup on June 25, 2012, 11:55:35 AM
Doesn't have to be a catastrophy. Maybe something like bitcoin being made "illegal" (however that is supposed to work) in some important jurisdiction or maybe russia + china introducing a gold currency. That probably would push the price down hard, but not to $0.01.

Wouldn't making Bitcoin illegal push the price up, not down? Historically, prohibition has had little effect on demand for the prohibited goods, but has had a huge impact the available supply. Pretty much everything that has ever been made illegal has gone up in price as a direct result, resulting in huge profits for criminals. Probably not the intended effect.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: bulanula on June 25, 2012, 12:50:22 PM
Above $10 for sure folks.

It is inevitable ... people hoarding. Reward dropping, ASIC coming showing huge faith in BTC system and its viability etc.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: the joint on June 29, 2012, 10:57:38 PM
Above $10 for sure folks.

It is inevitable ... people hoarding. Reward dropping, ASIC coming showing huge faith in BTC system and its viability etc.

When ASICs hit, I expect the price to drop hard until we reach a point where the value gained from mining with ASICS makes ROI about 100-200 days.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: adamstgBit on June 29, 2012, 11:54:04 PM
Above $10 for sure folks.

It is inevitable ... people hoarding. Reward dropping, ASIC coming showing huge faith in BTC system and its viability etc.

When ASICs hit, I expect the price to drop hard until we reach a point where the value gained from mining with ASICS makes ROI about 100-200 days.

yes because the ASIC miners dont like to be too profitable, for sure they will sell off all at the same time like mad fools crashing the market...

they're not smart enough to form an oligopoly.

no way in hell, their just simple folk, pushing buttons for bitcoins


Edit: i dont mean to sound like a sarcastic bitch... you get my drift


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: BoardGameCoin on June 29, 2012, 11:56:40 PM
I for one hope they do!

(double down! want to get me some $3 coins.)

-bgc


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: adamstgBit on June 30, 2012, 12:04:23 AM
when is ASIC hitting the market?


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: goxed on June 30, 2012, 02:32:36 AM
my guess, sometime between Oct 2012 and Oct 2013, more biased towards the latter than the former


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: goxed on August 08, 2012, 06:41:32 AM
my guess, sometime between Oct 2012 and Oct 2013, more biased towards the latter than the former

bump


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: adamstgBit on August 08, 2012, 06:46:46 AM
Quote
World's First Bitcoin Lawsuit - Cartmell v. Bitcoinica (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99222.0)

buy!  :D


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: blazing on August 08, 2012, 10:45:49 AM
we can assume there will be an ever increasing number of fresh bitcoin buyers, can we not? i don't have any reason to sell bitcoin unless i am desperate for cash and need to buy something. and im sure many others are the same. why keep fiat lying around and what else are you going to invest in?


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Kupsi on August 08, 2012, 11:42:45 AM
we can assume there will be an ever increasing number of fresh bitcoin buyers, can we not?
I discoverd Bitcoin in May and bought my share. Now is my friends starting to buy :)


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: notme on August 08, 2012, 03:28:49 PM
we can assume there will be an ever increasing number of fresh bitcoin buyers, can we not? i don't have any reason to sell bitcoin unless i am desperate for cash and need to buy something. and im sure many others are the same. why keep fiat lying around and what else are you going to invest in?

There will be panics as the market gets too hot.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: smoothie on August 08, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
we can assume there will be an ever increasing number of fresh bitcoin buyers, can we not?
I discoverd Bitcoin in May and bought my share. Now is my friends starting to buy :)

Wow you got in at the right time....besides november of last year.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Kupsi on August 08, 2012, 07:20:10 PM
we can assume there will be an ever increasing number of fresh bitcoin buyers, can we not?
I discoverd Bitcoin in May and bought my share. Now is my friends starting to buy :)

Wow you got in at the right time....besides november of last year.
I don't complain :D


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: smoothie on August 08, 2012, 07:43:19 PM
we can assume there will be an ever increasing number of fresh bitcoin buyers, can we not?
I discoverd Bitcoin in May and bought my share. Now is my friends starting to buy :)

Wow you got in at the right time....besides november of last year.
I don't complain :D

neither do I...I bought when it was $4.80 to $5.20 in March.



Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: cypherdoc on August 11, 2012, 12:42:23 AM
but my biggest reservation  is  in order to propagate Joe average has too feel they are getting more than they put in. So we need to see a redistribution of BTC.

ppl always say this and i still don't get it.  what's to stop ppl from just USING it for commerce w/o any speculation expectations?  i do that for USD's. 


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Adrian-x on August 11, 2012, 03:58:10 AM
but my biggest reservation  is  in order to propagate Joe average has too feel they are getting more than they put in. So we need to see a redistribution of BTC.

ppl always say this and i still don't get it.  what's to stop ppl from just USING it for commerce w/o any speculation expectations?  i do that for USD's.  

When I made my fist Bitcoin purchase I didn't want to spend my hard earned Bitcoin's so I bought some and used those.  This was using it for commerce without speculation; however I only used Bitcoin because I am an enthusiast.

If the Bitcoin economy were bigger I may be compelled to just buy them. However buying them to partake in an established Bitcoin economy will create a demand for Bitcoin. When you look at the "innovation adoption curve" that demand will be filled by the innovators who have lots of BTC to sell. The people who build the economy are the Early Adopters paying the price and the benefactors are the Inovators. (the Early Adopters are key to the successful adoption of Bitcoin for mass market appeal )

In my view you need the Early Majority to adopt Bitcoin in order for it to propagate.  For that to happen the Early Adopters need a motivation to build the Bitcoin economy.  I see wild swings in boom and bust cycles as the ideal stimulant.  Boom bust to me is like gambling only cashing out without loss if you have a stable supply of BTC, one in this cycle eventually establishes a legitimate way to obtain BTC and cash out during the swing, thus the economy slowly builds, and the Early Adopters benifit. ( That is, what I am doing now except I am trickle mining, as opposed to building the economy. So technically I fall in the Innovation stage, but traders fall in the early adopters Stage.)  

So to keep this on topic I hope to see it around $8 at the end of the year - the new low for 2013 and the Bitcoin rich to sell off to the new comers and have the cycle repeat itself dropping to a low that are representative of the increasing user base.  


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: adamstgBit on August 11, 2012, 04:07:33 AM
but my biggest reservation  is  in order to propagate Joe average has too feel they are getting more than they put in. So we need to see a redistribution of BTC.

ppl always say this and i still don't get it.  what's to stop ppl from just USING it for commerce w/o any speculation expectations?  i do that for USD's.  

When I made my fist Bitcoin purchase I didn't want to spend my hard earned Bitcoin's so I bought some and used those.  This was using it for commerce without speculation; however I only used Bitcoin because I am an enthusiast.

If the Bitcoin economy were bigger I may be compelled to just buy them. However buying them to partake in an established Bitcoin economy will create a demand for Bitcoin. When you look at the "innovation adoption curve" that demand will be filled by the innovators who have lots of BTC to sell. The people who build the economy are the Early Adopters paying the price and the benefactors are the Inovators. (the Early Adopters are key to the successful adoption of Bitcoin for mass market appeal )

In my view you need the Early Majority to adopt Bitcoin in order for it to propagate.  For that to happen the Early Adopters need a motivation to build the Bitcoin economy.  I see wild swings in boom and bust cycles as the ideal stimulant.  Boom bust to me is like gambling only cashing out without loss if you have a stable supply of BTC, one in this cycle eventually establishes a legitimate way to obtain BTC and cash out during the swing, thus the economy slowly builds, and the Early Adopters benifit. ( That is, what I am doing now except I am trickle mining, as opposed to building the economy. So technically I fall in the Innovation stage, but traders fall in the early adopters Stage.)  

So to keep this on topic I hope to see it around $8 at the end of the year - the new low for 2013 and the Bitcoin rich to sell off to the new comers and have the cycle repeat itself dropping to a low that are representative of the increasing user base.  


+1

yup it would be nice to know that this actually happening


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: goxed on August 17, 2012, 08:26:05 PM
Bump   :o


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Jutarul on August 21, 2012, 01:19:11 AM
Above $10 for sure folks.

It is inevitable ... people hoarding. Reward dropping, ASIC coming showing huge faith in BTC system and its viability etc.

When ASICs hit, I expect the price to drop hard until we reach a point where the value gained from mining with ASICS makes ROI about 100-200 days.

ASICs are expensive equipment because the company has to make up for the development cost and fuel a sustained business. Don't expect them to sell cheap. However, they will certainly be more competitive than FPGAs in terms of W/GH power consumption and $/GH/s hardware costs. GPUs still lead in terms of $/GH/s.

The question is really about selling pressure. And with ASICs coming to the market you just change the mix ratios ASIC/FPGA/GPU.
What makes you think ASIC miners have a larger selling pressure than FPGA or GPU miners?


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: ArticMine on August 21, 2012, 01:37:47 AM
I am staying with over 30 USD. I suspect a very large bear caught in a mega short squeeze.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: zhalox on August 21, 2012, 04:06:06 PM
I am staying with over 30 USD. I suspect a very large bear caught in a mega short squeeze.

^This.^


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: ArticMine on August 21, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
I have removed my over 30 USD vote as I now suspect that the very large bear may have already covered the short. The price has just been far to stable for the last few hours.


Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: molecular on August 22, 2012, 09:05:01 PM
Above $10 for sure folks.

It is inevitable ... people hoarding. Reward dropping, ASIC coming showing huge faith in BTC system and its viability etc.

When ASICs hit, I expect the price to drop hard until we reach a point where the value gained from mining with ASICS makes ROI about 100-200 days.

ASICs are expensive equipment because the company has to make up for the development cost and fuel a sustained business. Don't expect them to sell cheap. However, they will certainly be more competitive than FPGAs in terms of W/GH power consumption and $/GH/s hardware costs. GPUs still lead in terms of $/GH/s.

The question is really about selling pressure. And with ASICs coming to the market you just change the mix ratios ASIC/FPGA/GPU.
What makes you think ASIC miners have a larger selling pressure than FPGA or GPU miners?


A BFL jalapeno will cost you $150 or something and deliver 3.5 Ghash/s. (http://www.butterflylabs.com/order-form-bitforce-sc-jalapeno/)



Title: Re: End of year price prediction
Post by: Jutarul on August 22, 2012, 10:03:04 PM
Above $10 for sure folks.

It is inevitable ... people hoarding. Reward dropping, ASIC coming showing huge faith in BTC system and its viability etc.

When ASICs hit, I expect the price to drop hard until we reach a point where the value gained from mining with ASICS makes ROI about 100-200 days.

ASICs are expensive equipment because the company has to make up for the development cost and fuel a sustained business. Don't expect them to sell cheap. However, they will certainly be more competitive than FPGAs in terms of W/GH power consumption and $/GH/s hardware costs. GPUs still lead in terms of $/GH/s.

The question is really about selling pressure. And with ASICs coming to the market you just change the mix ratios ASIC/FPGA/GPU.
What makes you think ASIC miners have a larger selling pressure than FPGA or GPU miners?


A BFL jalapeno will cost you $150 or something and deliver 3.5 Ghash/s. (http://www.butterflylabs.com/order-form-bitforce-sc-jalapeno/)

1) That may be the release price (I doubt that they will deliver at that price point). But the market price will shoot up. If you're one of the lucky ones who get that thing delivered the best strategy is to mine for a few weeks and sell it at market value for a profit.

2) Based on BFL reputation I expect the 3.5 GH/s to be too optimistic. Heat production will probably limit the chip to half of the promised value.

3) You can buy GPUs NOW. jalapenos don't exist yet. And if they do, BFL is probably mining for profit right now.