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Hello! so i might get my hands on some Hydro power to power my miners with :)!

here's the catch, the Generator needs fixing and i need to convince my friend to let me fix it and use it.

but anyway, i need to build a strong case why i should be allowed to fix the generator to generate power to my miners and to the owner.

The Hyndro plant it self is located in a ''Industrial park'' (i don't know what to call it) in sweden and my idea is that if i fix the Hydro power so o can use power for myself and to power the building (which is a café, i don't mean heating but mostly lights and various machines) that its hooked up to.
the owner (whom i know very very well) won't fix the generator and use the plant again because its not effective for them because the amount it would produce would not even cover 1% of their total Power use.

the things i can think of that would help me convoke him to let me fix it / use it are:

They would get some free power.
They could earn money on it.
It won't cost them anything.
they will get a new ''attraction'' and show people how Power was produced back in the old days. (its an old hydro plant)


if you guys know any more reasons please write them below :)

How much would it cost to repair it? How much power would you be able to draw? Do you have a picture with the room where the miners will be?

Why do you need to convince your friend to allow you to fix it? You are doing him a service. You shouldn't try to find reasons.

the cost would depend on the generator. if its broken and my friend ( who i mine with ) can fix it it won't be expensive at all, we're 4 people who can invest in it. i would be able to draw at least 50 KwH if i'm not mistaken.

the only reason i can think of that i need to convince him is thats i'm a lot younger then he his, and he's a bit old school and won't think i'll be able to fix it or that i'll just mess something up (which i won't)

This.

I'm terribly confused by the story, as apparently you're willing to put in the time, material costs, etc. to fix it at no apparent expense to them.

I guess if I had to look at it from their view, there may be concern that you need access to the premises - but it's your friend, right? - that there may be noise pollution while you're working on it - fair enough if that drives customers away -  and that you may damage it more than repair it and selling it 'as is' might be more profitable to them - but in that case they should have sold it already.
( And you addressed this last point in your latest reply, so... )

If they're generating "Green" Energy, regardless of how it's used (they might consider mining a waste to some extent), they could claim to be offsetting that amount of their carbon footprint.  If I was you, I'd figure out how their current electricity is generated, how much carbon emissions are created per KwH by asking the utility, and then create a marketing plan detailing how much carbon emission is being offset by his company by allowing the generator to run (at no cost to him).

He's probably skeptical because he knows that you are going to profit from it, and doesn't want to miss out on some himself? I also don't understand why he'd be against the idea, or what he has to lose.

I would be totally honest with him.  He might want nothing or a piece of the action.  Being sneaky is not the way to go, be honest and willing to let him in on the deal. 

You shouldn't fix it due to this reason "produce would not even cover 1% of their total Power use".

Sounds to me like it is a small hydro which only produce 1-2 kwh. Fixing it might be so costly that you will not generate enough power saving for the whole life of it.

You can generate 2kW with a car alternator size generator ... it's about $250 to buy a gas powered one. 

http://newimg.globalmarket.com/PicLib/587/1878587/prod/36_1332398084604_l.jpg

As log as the gear boxes are working a 50kW generator is not big and can be adapted with some professional help .. you only need to provide the right torque and RPM ..

http://lewisburgequipmentrental.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/generators-and-welders/50kw.jpg

Put some pictures up with what you'll need to fix :)

That was the statement which caught my attention also. Sounds like its possibly just a small creek out back with relatively low flow speed and little or no vertical drop/waterfall that would allow 10kW+ power. details and photos of the actual generator are necessary

Perhaps it is a lot of work to keep it running or maybe it would disturb some nearby tenants.  Maybe it is a hazard of some sort or he is afraid if you try to fix it that you will cause further damage or discover other major problems.

50kw is a lot of power and sure it can be used for 140 s3 or about 15pcs SP35
sure all this will make some big noise.Drinking coffe and hearing this buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
will not be ideal for the customers.
Owner for sure must be aware and fully cooperative on anything has to do with his property.
just allow him to have a small part of this and he will not have any doubts...

hey! just to clear up some things, he's the boss of a industrial park which cusumes some GhW. the hydro is in the basement of the café the miners would not need to be in that house but can be 1KM away if :)

i have yet not talked to him yet. thanks for all your help :)!

Fingers Crossed!

Some pictures would be cool!

Please do some research what kind of cable will you need to transport the electricity 1km away......  ;)

I'm sure you won't do it.

The 1KM was just an example :)

1  km of decent cable can cost 5000$ or more
think also about digging row so long
that is a lot of money...