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Title: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: fatigue on June 24, 2012, 10:08:47 PM
So ive come to some confusion over the last week or so while seeing the BTC sign used both in front and behind a number.

I personally believe that it should be used at the $ sign would be and put it before the number such as BTC1.

however, ive also seen numerous times people believe it should be used after the number as this is: 1BTC.

Opinions? Thoughts? Discuss.


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: tynt on June 24, 2012, 10:22:13 PM
I prefer units go after the number. Meters, liters, grams, ohms, bitcoins. 10m, 10L, 10g, 10BTC, 10Ω


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: rjk on June 24, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
Well, most conventional currencies use the symbol as the prefix. I like it that way. I wish the BTC was smaller by default, like this: BTC


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: Kluge on June 24, 2012, 10:29:39 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_c6KAun06jfY/R4DXJA618iI/AAAAAAAAAzg/tuAed0KkNwY/s400/giveadamn.gif


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: fatigue on June 24, 2012, 10:34:25 PM
Well, most conventional currencies use the symbol as the prefix. I like it that way. I wish the BTC was smaller by default, like this: BTC

I agree that it is a bit(pun!) too big, but hell, the fact that Theymos made it it enough for me, im not complaining.


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: Kupsi on June 24, 2012, 10:55:59 PM
I believe the placement depends on which language your are writing in.

The Euro sign is placed different in different languages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_issues_concerning_the_euro
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_issues_concerning_the_euro)


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: aq on June 24, 2012, 10:57:02 PM
Well, most conventional currencies use the symbol as the prefix. I like it that way. I wish the BTC was smaller by default, like this: BTC

I agree that it is a bit(pun!) too big, but hell, the fact that Theymos made it it enough for me, im not complaining.

Look at this:

ABBTCCDEFG  vs.  ABBTCCDEFG

The BTC symbol is not too big, it is just bold. I don't know why someone thought that a bold symbol will be better than a normal one.


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: MatthewLM on June 24, 2012, 11:00:16 PM
It's still a bit too big with bold letters surrounding it.


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: drakahn on July 08, 2012, 06:31:47 AM
In front, but both are understandable... so... whatever the poster wants


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: Blaztoize on July 08, 2012, 06:50:45 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81541.msg898765#msg898765
Relevant.

-There are exceptions, but a currency sign typically appears before the quantity, with fractional division signs coming in the middle of afterwards.
-For abbreviations, such as USD, CHF, BTC, LTC (or ŁTC), the placement of the abbreviation is more based upon local convention. Many banks write USD3.20 but many people write 3.20 USD.


So, ultimately up to us! I believe that in front is more appealing to a broader audience.


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: fatigue on July 08, 2012, 06:52:36 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81541.msg898765#msg898765
Starts with: There are exceptions, but a currency sign typically appears before the quantity, with fractional division signs coming in the middle of afterwards.
Ends with: For abbreviations, such as USD, CHF, BTC, LTC (or ŁTC), the placement of the abbreviation is more based upon local convention. Many banks write USD3.20 but many people write 3.20 USD.


So, ultimately up to us! I believe that in front is more appealing to a broader audience.

I do hope you know that you just created a thread-linking circle... It will never end


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: pekv2 on July 08, 2012, 06:55:31 AM
I use it how I say it in my mind. [I'm selling 2 bitcoins - I'm selling 2 BTC] I don't know if the {s} should be involved with the acronym of the BTC when there are more than one included in the subject, like [I'm selling 2 bitcoins - I'm selling 2 BTCS]


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: Blaztoize on July 08, 2012, 07:04:02 AM
I use it how I say it in my mind. [I'm selling 2 bitcoins - I'm selling 2 BTC] I don't know if the {s} should be involved with the acronym of the BTC when there are more than one included in the subject, like [I'm selling 2 bitcoins - I'm selling 2 BTCS]

I do this as well. 'BTCS' looks goofy to me. The exception however would be using the more specific symbol, in which case I display before the value.

5 BTC or BTC 5.

I do hope you know that you just created a thread-linking circle... It will never end
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Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: blablahblah on July 08, 2012, 09:07:43 AM
I have moral objections to BTC imitating the dollar sign. Bitcoin is better than that. Therefore, the symbol should come after the quantity. ;D


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: drakahn on July 08, 2012, 09:15:50 AM
also [ font=btc]B[/ font] seems to fit better
[ btc]
BTC10.55
10.55BTC
or
[ font=btc]B[/ font]
B10.55
10.55B


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: Gabi on July 08, 2012, 10:23:14 AM
1BTC
1€
1$

I give you one dollar
I give you one bitcoin
not

I give you dollar one

or

I give you euro one

or

I give you bitcoin one

So, 1BTC


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: Xenland on July 08, 2012, 10:50:32 AM
1BTC
1€
1$

I give you one dollar
I give you one bitcoin
not

I give you dollar one

or

I give you euro one

or

I give you bitcoin one

So, 1BTC

This ^


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: niko on July 08, 2012, 11:56:33 AM
I've changed my mind four times while reading this thread.


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: rjk on July 08, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
The french canadians write the dollar sign after the amount. (100,00 $ instead of $100.00)


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: blablahblah on July 08, 2012, 12:05:16 PM
I have moral objections to BTC imitating the dollar sign. Bitcoin is better than that. Therefore, the symbol should come after the quantity. ;D

The french canadians write the dollar sign after the amount. (100,00 $ instead of $100.00)

BTCDOH!BTC


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: niko on July 08, 2012, 01:39:55 PM
I've gone through this three-step dialectic process:

1. In most places (but not all) the symbol of a currency is written before the numerical value. We should stick with this convention: $6,013.44, BTC40,049.5104.

2. Bitcoin is new and different, and we have no reason to perpetuate the weirdness of the old school. Outside of the realm of economics, units are written after the numerical values, and monetary units should be no exception: 13.7kg, 55BTC, 3 apples.

3. Units-after-numbers is just a convention, and a silly one for that matter. The problem is that we are so used to its silliness that we fail to notice it. In this case, the weight of the quantitative statement is only determined at the very end, which can confuse, distract, tire, or disappoint the reader. I've lost over... 2,000 (ohohshit!!)... mBTC (whatever). On the other hand, when units are stated first, the reader is able to evaluate numbers in the correct context immediately, as we provide them. My BTC0.02.

That, and the BTC symbol should appear in regular, not bold font. It stands out too much like this.


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: kuverty on July 08, 2012, 01:58:39 PM
I think it's natural that the unit comes after the number. I suggest that people that have grown with non-SI units are excluded from this topic.. if Bitcoin was American, we'd probably have it split into 14 bitsy-dashoons, and the smallest amount of BTC denoted 6 BTC (having no BTC) and everybody thinking it's nice


Title: Re: [btc]1 or 1[btc]?
Post by: niko on July 08, 2012, 02:23:46 PM
I think it's natural that the unit comes after the number.

Why do you think it's natural? It's just an arbitrary convention, and a habit - just like some languages follow the subject-verb-object structure, and some follow the subject-object-verb. Which one is "right" or "natural"?  In case of units and numbers, doesn't it make more sense to provide the context (the unit) first to the reader, and then the number?  That way you avoid the suspense of having to wait (read) to the very end to find out the actual value.