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Title: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Lethn on December 18, 2014, 09:35:12 PM
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22430000.900

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So you're an alien seeding primordial Earth with life. Like any creator, you sign your work. Now we may have found that signature – in the genetic code

MAXIM MAKUKOV has an idea. It's unorthodox; you might call it "out there". Makukov understands that. He knew he'd have his critics the moment he began to develop it. But it's there in the numbers, he says. And numbers don't lie.

A cosmologist and astrobiologist at the Fesenkov Astrophysical Institute in Almaty, Kazakhstan, Makukov says the numbers reveal that all terrestrial life came from outer space. Not only that, it was planted on Earth by intelligent aliens. Billions of years ago, the planet was barren and lifeless. But then, at some distant and unknowable moment, it was seeded with what Makukov calls an "intelligent-like signal" – a signal that is too orderly and intricate to have occurred ...

Unfortunately new scientist requires you to sign up, so I'll look around for a complete article on the subject but it's actually really brilliant :D

p.s. ib4 creationists come along and claim it's the work of God and refuse to acknowledge the fact it might actually be aliens that made us for shits and giggles.

Damn, as usual the internet is swarmed at the moment with creationist rants so I'll have to search a bit more carefully.


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: cakir on December 18, 2014, 09:42:37 PM
Those are just rumors. Even Hitler believed those stuff.
Nazis believed that "humanity is punished by an alien race because of restlessness etc".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Lethn on December 18, 2014, 09:45:08 PM
Still pretty funny though and interesting, it would explain a lot, I think an asteroid crashing us into this planet is a more likely scenario though.


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Wilikon on December 18, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
Those are just rumors. Even Hitler believed those stuff.
Nazis believed that "humanity is punished by an alien race because of restlessness etc".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

One, if not the center theme of the X files...



Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Wilikon on December 18, 2014, 09:57:14 PM
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22430000.900

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So you're an alien seeding primordial Earth with life. Like any creator, you sign your work. Now we may have found that signature – in the genetic code

MAXIM MAKUKOV has an idea. It's unorthodox; you might call it "out there". Makukov understands that. He knew he'd have his critics the moment he began to develop it. But it's there in the numbers, he says. And numbers don't lie.

A cosmologist and astrobiologist at the Fesenkov Astrophysical Institute in Almaty, Kazakhstan, Makukov says the numbers reveal that all terrestrial life came from outer space. Not only that, it was planted on Earth by intelligent aliens. Billions of years ago, the planet was barren and lifeless. But then, at some distant and unknowable moment, it was seeded with what Makukov calls an "intelligent-like signal" – a signal that is too orderly and intricate to have occurred ...

Unfortunately new scientist requires you to sign up, so I'll look around for a complete article on the subject but it's actually really brilliant :D

p.s. ib4 creationists come along and claim it's the work of God and refuse to acknowledge the fact it might actually be aliens that made us for shits and giggles.

Damn, as usual the internet is swarmed at the moment with creationist rants so I'll have to search a bit more carefully.


Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VrcO6JaMrM




Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: the joint on December 18, 2014, 10:02:29 PM
Still pretty funny though and interesting, it would explain a lot, I think an asteroid crashing us into this planet is a more likely scenario though.

Yeah...I wouldn't count on that.  Humans do not in any way fit nicely into the current evolutionary model.


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Lethn on December 18, 2014, 10:48:52 PM
Still pretty funny though and interesting, it would explain a lot, I think an asteroid crashing us into this planet is a more likely scenario though.

Yeah...I wouldn't count on that.  Humans do not in any way fit nicely into the current evolutionary model.

Unless we find other sentient life, I think the evolutionary model, while pretty accurate for are planet is incomplete, simply because we know fuck all about the universe and what's actually out there.


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: sickhouse on December 18, 2014, 10:57:27 PM
Those are just rumors. Even Hitler believed those stuff.
Nazis believed that "humanity is punished by an alien race because of restlessness etc".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs
Yeah because Wikipedia is a good source for anything. :)
EDIT: I think this is very propable, there is obviously other life out in the wast wast universe - on or more civilazations have propably evolved millions of year ahead of us being able to plant a seed. It's a nice theory.


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Lethn on December 18, 2014, 11:05:43 PM
Those are just rumors. Even Hitler believed those stuff.
Nazis believed that "humanity is punished by an alien race because of restlessness etc".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs
Yeah because Wikipedia is a good source for anything. :)
EDIT: I think this is very propable, there is obviously other life out in the wast wast universe - on or more civilazations have propably evolved millions of year ahead of us being able to plant a seed. It's a nice theory.

I prefer it to 'because god made us' theory :P


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: the joint on December 18, 2014, 11:32:02 PM
I didn't know that "life," "the Universe," and "everything" constitute questions.

If anything, I think one (1) would be closer to the answer since one (1) is analogous to a principle of identity.  Life, the Universe, and everything multiplied by one remain uniquely themselves, and yet identity is something fundamental which they all share.  One unites us, and thereby allows for relational differences.

Number philosophy is fun :)


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: SLVR4ME on December 18, 2014, 11:56:10 PM
Those are just rumors. Even Hitler believed those stuff.
Nazis believed that "humanity is punished by an alien race because of restlessness etc".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs
Yeah because Wikipedia is a good source for anything. :)
EDIT: I think this is very propable, there is obviously other life out in the wast wast universe - on or more civilazations have propably evolved millions of year ahead of us being able to plant a seed. It's a nice theory.

I prefer it to 'because god made us' theory :P


Ahhh, the "because God made us/i dont need to understand it, just keep repeating and repeating and repeating it" theory.

What could possibly be wrong with that?  ;D


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Gronthaing on December 19, 2014, 12:46:47 AM
I didn't know that "life," "the Universe," and "everything" constitute questions.

If anything, I think one (1) would be closer to the answer since one (1) is analogous to a principle of identity.  Life, the Universe, and everything multiplied by one remain uniquely themselves, and yet identity is something fundamental which they all share.  One unites us, and thereby allows for relational differences.

Number philosophy is fun :)

The 37 and the questions were a reference to 42 and the great question from the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. But why do you think humans do not fit into the current evolutionary model?


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: cryptocoiner on December 19, 2014, 03:38:20 AM
i think it should be 1337 =)


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: BADecker on December 19, 2014, 04:03:31 AM
This idea is simply game playing. After all, where did the aliens come from? Other aliens who seeded them? And how far back did that go? Forever? Or only 37 times.

Six less than the answer in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

:)


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: the joint on December 19, 2014, 03:54:48 PM
I didn't know that "life," "the Universe," and "everything" constitute questions.

If anything, I think one (1) would be closer to the answer since one (1) is analogous to a principle of identity.  Life, the Universe, and everything multiplied by one remain uniquely themselves, and yet identity is something fundamental which they all share.  One unites us, and thereby allows for relational differences.

Number philosophy is fun :)

The 37 and the questions were a reference to 42 and the great question from the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. But why do you think humans do not fit into the current evolutionary model?

Because many of our traits and characteristics precluded the evolutionary need for those traits and characteristics, and that's aside from the fact that there is no current definition of "species" that is Universally applicable to, and consistent with, all humans.


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Wilikon on December 19, 2014, 04:43:43 PM
I didn't know that "life," "the Universe," and "everything" constitute questions.

If anything, I think one (1) would be closer to the answer since one (1) is analogous to a principle of identity.  Life, the Universe, and everything multiplied by one remain uniquely themselves, and yet identity is something fundamental which they all share.  One unites us, and thereby allows for relational differences.

Number philosophy is fun :)

The 37 and the questions were a reference to 42 and the great question from the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. But why do you think humans do not fit into the current evolutionary model?

Because many of our traits and characteristics precluded the evolutionary need for those traits and characteristics, and that's aside from the fact that there is no current definition of "species" that is Universally applicable to, and consistent with, all humans.


Why can't Phi, 1.61803399, be that constant across species and non living things instead of 37? It is, literally, right under our nose and everywhere else.





Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Gronthaing on December 23, 2014, 08:51:09 AM
I didn't know that "life," "the Universe," and "everything" constitute questions.

If anything, I think one (1) would be closer to the answer since one (1) is analogous to a principle of identity.  Life, the Universe, and everything multiplied by one remain uniquely themselves, and yet identity is something fundamental which they all share.  One unites us, and thereby allows for relational differences.

Number philosophy is fun :)

The 37 and the questions were a reference to 42 and the great question from the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. But why do you think humans do not fit into the current evolutionary model?

Because many of our traits and characteristics precluded the evolutionary need for those traits and characteristics, and that's aside from the fact that there is no current definition of "species" that is Universally applicable to, and consistent with, all humans.

Does evolution work that way? Isn't there less of an evolutionary need involved and more of, if a trait isn't harmful it may be retained and built upon? Traits that are maladaptive will then tend to disappear, those that aren't are kept. We didn't evolve arms because we wanted to reach out and grab things. We just didn't die more often because of their development.


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: Lethn on December 23, 2014, 09:03:24 AM
It's also worth bearing in mind that we know fuck all about the universe outside our own galaxy so it would be incredibly arrogant to claim that there are no species like us out there, unless of course you're forgetting about apes and monkeys but of course creationists do like ignoring scientific fact don't they?


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: BADecker on December 23, 2014, 11:02:54 AM
One of the most interesting yet ignored points about evolution is this. When evolution has the increased chance of happening, the things that destroy evolution increase as well. In other words, the special opportunities for evolution to have happened over millions of years (or whatever time it took) were negated back then by all the same kinds of things that negate evolution today.

Evolution is a fun thing to play with. It is a good guess on the outside of it. But when you examine the ways that things happen, there simply isn't any evolution. Not one instance of it. Everything is "kind produces kind" or "programmed in abilities to change according to climate and environment."

All the evidences for evolution can also be attributed to "kind produces kind" or "programmed in abilities to change according to climate and environment." There is not one single evidence for evolutionary change that does not include evidence for "kind produces kind" or "programmed in abilities to change according to climate and environment."

:)


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: interlagos on December 23, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
The answer to everything, is of course to find the question!
"Who am I really?" might be a good start, and down the rabbit hole we go :)

Everything is seeded from Source - a perpetual universal oscillator, a great central Sun, a living paradox that can never settle to rest.

Regarding humans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R6bRYtYhCM


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: BADecker on December 24, 2014, 01:48:32 PM
Hollow earth theory says that there is a great central sun inside the earth, and there are vast areas of land on the inner surface of the sphere, filled with life... even human life.

:)


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: interlagos on December 24, 2014, 02:53:23 PM
Hollow earth theory says that there is a great central sun inside the earth, and there are vast areas of land on the inner surface of the sphere, filled with life... even human life.

:)

Hollow Earth theory shouldn't be taken literally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Go1aafNVE

I think the idea of a Great Central Sun is a symbol of the greatest attractor - the frequency of unconditional love. It is possible to understand that unconditional love (thick, true) is greater than, for example, unconditional hate (hollow, pretending), because you are so unconditionally loved that you are given a choice to believe that you are not loved at all. There is always a choice, only Transcendental (beyond conditionality) True Love could give you one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJD5-R_HPCc

Expressing it in terms of taste, one might argue that love is evil, because it's too "sweet" and one prefers "bitter" instead, but then isn't it "sweet" to be able to choose "bitter" if that is the preference? See? Love is the greatest attractor, we need to struggle to keep away from it, we literally "fall in love": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8igZ4KJPFo

One more analogy in terms of creating and destroying. One collectively cannot destroy more than it has created. At the level of zero point One can either stand still or start creating as there is nothing to destroy yet. One cannot destroy itself, because existence is self-contained (it's turtles all the way down).

Edited [2015-01-29] for clarity after further consideration.


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: BADecker on December 24, 2014, 06:19:05 PM
Hollow earth theory says that there is a great central sun inside the earth, and there are vast areas of land on the inner surface of the sphere, filled with life... even human life.

:)

Hollow Earth theory shouldn't be taken literally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Go1aafNVE

I think the idea of a Great Central Sun is a symbol of the greatest attractor - the frequency of unconditional love. It is possible to sort of prove that unconditional love is greater than, for example, unconditional hate, because you are so unconditionally loved that you are given a choice to believe that you are not loved at all.

Expressing it in terms of taste, one might argue that love is evil, because it's too "sweet" and one prefers "bitter" instead, but then isn't it "sweet" to be able to choose "bitter"? See? Love is the greatest attractor, we need to struggle to keep away from it, we literally "fall in love": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8igZ4KJPFo

One more analogy in terms of creating and destroying. One collectively cannot destroy more than it has created. At the level of zero point One can either stand still or start creating as there is nothing to destroy yet. One cannot destroy itself, because existence is self-contained (that's why I actually think third law applies).

So far, reality for each of us is, we are born, we live and we die. The rest of it is simply stuff that we do in life. The rest of it is simply ideas, and on occasion, theories. What beyond this do we understand?

:)


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: interlagos on December 24, 2014, 07:47:31 PM
Hollow earth theory says that there is a great central sun inside the earth, and there are vast areas of land on the inner surface of the sphere, filled with life... even human life.

:)

Hollow Earth theory shouldn't be taken literally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Go1aafNVE

I think the idea of a Great Central Sun is a symbol of the greatest attractor - the frequency of unconditional love. It is possible to understand that unconditional love (thick, true) is greater than, for example, unconditional hate (hollow, pretending), because you are so unconditionally loved that you are given a choice to believe that you are not loved at all. There is always a choice, only Transcendental (beyond conditionality) True Love could give you one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJD5-R_HPCc

Expressing it in terms of taste, one might argue that love is evil, because it's too "sweet" and one prefers "bitter" instead, but then isn't it "sweet" to be able to choose "bitter" if that is the preference? See? Love is the greatest attractor, we need to struggle to keep away from it, we literally "fall in love": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8igZ4KJPFo

One more analogy in terms of creating and destroying. One collectively cannot destroy more than it has created. At the level of zero point One can either stand still or start creating as there is nothing to destroy yet. One cannot destroy itself, because existence is self-contained (it's turtles all the way down).

Edited [2015-01-29] for clarity after further consideration.

So far, reality for each of us is, we are born, we live and we die. The rest of it is simply stuff that we do in life. The rest of it is simply ideas, and on occasion, theories. What beyond this do we understand?

:)

Being born, living and dying are all just experiences that we wanted to have. That's why we are here on Earth right now. Life is like a game session. As you probably have already figured out non-existence doesn't exist. It means that we exist because we have to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njKs8v61kMU Everything we do including doubting our own existence only reinforces it, there is no way out!

Now with that settled, what do we do? The answer is very simple - follow your excitement! Act with integrity, because receiver of your action is also you. God is a collective, because only parts of the whole can actually see reflections of themselves in all other parts and thus have an "experience". Thus God can only exist as all of its parts. Every single part is integral to the whole, that's why God never judges, as all its parts give birth back to God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wM3doxMJ6s


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: cryptogeeknext on December 26, 2014, 12:18:12 PM
Nah, it's turtles all the way down :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8xUd7Myeuk


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: BADecker on December 26, 2014, 01:15:41 PM
Hollow earth theory says that there is a great central sun inside the earth, and there are vast areas of land on the inner surface of the sphere, filled with life... even human life.

:)

Hollow Earth theory shouldn't be taken literally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Go1aafNVE

I think the idea of a Great Central Sun is a symbol of the greatest attractor - the frequency of unconditional love. It is possible to sort of prove that unconditional love is greater than, for example, unconditional hate, because you are so unconditionally loved that you are given a choice to believe that you are not loved at all.

Expressing it in terms of taste, one might argue that love is evil, because it's too "sweet" and one prefers "bitter" instead, but then isn't it "sweet" to be able to choose "bitter"? See? Love is the greatest attractor, we need to struggle to keep away from it, we literally "fall in love": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8igZ4KJPFo

One more analogy in terms of creating and destroying. One collectively cannot destroy more than it has created. At the level of zero point One can either stand still or start creating as there is nothing to destroy yet. One cannot destroy itself, because existence is self-contained (that's why I actually think third law applies).

So far, reality for each of us is, we are born, we live and we die. The rest of it is simply stuff that we do in life. The rest of it is simply ideas, and on occasion, theories. What beyond this do we understand?

:)

Being born, living and dying are all just experiences that we wanted to have. That's why we are here on Earth right now. Life is like a game session. As you probably have already figured out non-existence doesn't exist. It means that we exist because we have to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njKs8v61kMU Everything we do including doubting our own existence only reinforces it, there is no way out!

It seems that I have an aversion to dying. Perhaps when I get a bit older, and things start to fall apart in a more serious way, maybe then I will enjoy embracing death.

Probably, this life was never meant to end. Probably we were meant to grow mentally, spiritually, and in physical capability, way beyond what we understand. Probably we were meant to populate the stars at some time in a future time of this eternity.

The thing that we did was to turn from God. We listened to some words from another of His creations... the snake. The snake deceived us into following it rather than God. When we did this, we not only lost life (essentially) but we also lost the growing up to take hold of the stars and the universe. More than that, we gained death.


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Now with that settled, what do we do? The answer is very simple - follow your excitement! Act with integrity, because receiver of your action is also you. God is a collective, because only parts of the whole can actually see reflections of themselves in all other parts and thus have an "experience". Thus God can only exist as all of its parts. Every single part is integral to the whole, that's why God never judges, as all its parts give birth back to God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wM3doxMJ6s

"Now with that settled, what do we do? The answer is simple -" turn back to God in the way that He offers for us to turn back.

God isn't only a collective. He is also an essence. He is also a personal identity to Himself. He invites us to become part of the collective that He is, but if we do not follow His essence, we cannot. Those who are part of His collective now, if they turn from His essence, will fall out of being part of the God collective. God in His person will never fall from the essence. He is the only one who can never fall from His own essence.

:)


Title: Re: Is the answer to life, the universe and everything 37?
Post by: interlagos on December 26, 2014, 05:07:55 PM
It seems that I have an aversion to dying. Perhaps when I get a bit older, and things start to fall apart in a more serious way, maybe then I will enjoy embracing death.

Probably, this life was never meant to end. Probably we were meant to grow mentally, spiritually, and in physical capability, way beyond what we understand. Probably we were meant to populate the stars at some time in a future time of this eternity.

The thing that we did was to turn from God. We listened to some words from another of His creations... the snake. The snake deceived us into following it rather than God. When we did this, we not only lost life (essentially) but we also lost the growing up to take hold of the stars and the universe. More than that, we gained death.

At some point I realized that existence is identical to having an experience. In that sense physical death is just one of many experiences of the Infinite Creator. It is like waking up from the dream, physical dream that is. But experience doesn't stop there, because non-experience cannot be had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DLSyU7y97M

"Now with that settled, what do we do? The answer is simple -" turn back to God in the way that He offers for us to turn back.

God isn't only a collective. He is also an essence. He is also a personal identity to Himself. He invites us to become part of the collective that He is, but if we do not follow His essence, we cannot. Those who are part of His collective now, if they turn from His essence, will fall out of being part of the God collective. God in His person will never fall from the essence. He is the only one who can never fall from His own essence.

:)

It is probably easier to understand from perspective of vibratory spectrum and resonance. One might argue that God is the whole spectrum of vibrations, others will say that God is an infinite frequency, that's what allows it to sample any other frequency and be omniscient in that sense. But one cannot exist without the other.
 
All numbers exist at once, there is no infinity without finite. Carrier frequency always needs to be higher than the signal it carries. In that sense "I am" presence is the infinite frequency we all share, but we can only know ourselves as a particular finite frequency. In other words, in order to be, you need to be specific. Infinite frequency is static all other frequencies are alive.

Thus by increasing your frequency you learn more about yourself (turn to God), lowering it makes you more forgetful (turning away from God). It is possible that there are barriers between certain frequency bands and it requires some effort to push through. Physical and spiritual experiences might be those frequency bands separated by the Veil.

The idea of Prime Radiant might also help shed some light on the matter (pun intended): :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSzyWcn2qIk