Title: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: aacoins on December 19, 2014, 03:05:21 AM Hello, First off I would like to take the time to say thanks for reading, their is a lot of effort going into this post to try and make it accurate and informative.
I am going to take the time to list all of the major ASIC mining equipment Available. I would like to let everyone know I am very biased I normally only buy Bitmaintech equipment, but I will try and keep my opinions limited to the opinion section. Revamping this thread so please reply, or PM me any information you think should be added and I'm going to try my hardest to add it. Hardware for Sha-256 Guide: For all of the Companies listed in the table a Highlight of varying color defines their trustworthiness. I did not take the time to do this completly myself as a very trusted member has already done so see Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.0) His rankings are used to compute the companies standings as follows:
Code: Unit Price / Gh/s + Watts / Gh/s
Prices in chart may need tinkering this is taking a while to compile as is so please excuse this fact. Thanks :) EDIT 2015: Doing a lot of changes as I have some more time now as the holidays have calmed down. Equipment Specs Breakdown Guide: Colors
Green=Announced Yellow=On or has been on Preorder shipping has commenced BITMAINTECH
Antminer S1 Algo: sha-256 Hash rate: 180 GH/s*4 Power consumption: ~360 Watts 2W / Gh/s Power supply: 3 +12V DC input Requires 2 6 pin PCIe Connectors Chip Size: Size: 135 mm x 155 mm x 300 mm Network connection: Ethernet Cable / WIFI Cooling: 12cm PWM fans and customized heat sink Current Prices: USED Ebay ~$50 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR6.TRC0.A0.H0.Xantminer+s1&_nkw=antminer+s1&_sacat=0) Amazon ~$75 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00HL4MEG6/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1418955169&sr=8-1&keywords=antminer+s1&condition=used) NEW Amazon ~$219 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00HL4MEG6/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1418955169&sr=8-1&keywords=antminer+s1&condition=new) Profitability: This is one of the lowest prices you can get per Gh/s but the power consumption is high compared to newer more energy efficient chips. On average at this time this miner will make ~$0.75 a day mining but will cost*1 $1.07 to run it. If you are not paying for power or are mining an altcoin*2 such as any sha-256 altcoin this miner could still be profitable for you. Opinion: I have a bunch of s1's and am slowly trading them for more efficient s3's I currently can only use them to mine altcoins to remain profitable. The only issue I have with s1's is on a normal 20 amp breaker you can run 5 of these and that is with nothing else on the circuit. If my power was cheaper or I had free power I would stock up on these cheap Gh/s' Antminer S2 Algo: sha-256 Hash rate: 1000 GH/s or 1Th/s*4 Power consumption: ~1040 Watts or ~1W / Gh/s*5 Power supply: PSU: 1000W produced by Enermax, 80PLUS gold included in case Chip Size: 55nm process Size: 4U Rack Network connection: Ethernet Cable Cooling: Current Prices: USED Ebay ~$600 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR8.TRC0.A0.H0.Xantminer+s2&_nkw=antminer+s2&_sacat=0) Amazon ~$600 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00KH9339O/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1418956604&sr=8-1&keywords=antminer+s2&condition=used) NEW Amazon ~$800 (http://www.amazon.com/Bitmain-AntMiner-1000-SHA-256-Miner/dp/B00KH9339O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418956568&sr=8-1&keywords=antminer+s2&pebp=1418956570862) Profitability: This is one of the highest price per Gh/s currently, at least for used miners. On average at this time this miner will make ~$4 a day mining but will cost*1 $3.33 to run it. Out of the gate this unit is profitable but for bitcoin*2 it would take nearly 2000 days to ROI If you are not paying for power or are mining an altcoin*2 such as sha-256 altcoin this miner could still be profitable for you. Opinion: I have never owned an S2 money just was not right during any of the orginal sales of this item and the unit pricing is still !!WAY!! to high for it to be profitable and I am not making the investment. My sugestion is for you to not do so either but it is from my research a very high quality machine and that may be part of the reason for the pricing. Antminer S3 Algo: sha-256 Hash rate: 441 GH/s*4 Power consumption: ~355 Watts or 0.8W / Gh/s Power supply: 12V DC Requires 2-6pin PCIe Connectors or 4 to overclock Chip Size: 28nm process Size: 331 mm x 137 mm x 160 mm Network connection: Ethernet Cable Cooling: Two 14038 fans mounted on both front and back ends. Current Prices: USED Ebay ~$200 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR5.TRC0.A0.H0.Xantminer+s3&_nkw=antminer+s3&_sacat=0) Amazon ~$255 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00MSHLOJO/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1418957328&sr=8-1&keywords=antminer+s3&condition=used) NEW Amazon ~$280 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00MSHLOJO/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1418957328&sr=8-1&keywords=antminer+s3&condition=new) Bitmaintech ~$199 (https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020141015100808946Nj1LM03y0650) Profitability: This unit is currently a decent unit for ROI. On average at this time this miner will make ~$1.76 a day mining but will cost*1 $1.07 to run it. Out of the gate this unit is profitable but for bitcoin*2 it would take nearly 289 days to ROI If you are not paying for power or are mining an altcoin*2 such as sha-256 altcoin this miner could be more profitable for you. One of the best plans for the s3 is bulk buying. You will still have the same expected ROI but it leaves you a higher profit percentage afterwords. Opinion: I am currently buying up all the s3's I can get my hands on for less than $200. The reason for this is I have power discounts due to kwh/month and I am using these only for altcoins. I like the s3 and they run very well and are extremely easy to set up (as are all the antminers) This should definitely be something you look at when thinking about purchasing mining hardware. Antminer S4 Algo: sha-256 Hash rate: 2,000GH/s guaranteed or 2Th/s*4 Power consumption: ~1380 Watts or 0.69W / Gh/s Power supply: 1400W, 80PLUS gold, C14 input socket Included inside. Power line not included. Chip Size: 28nm process Size: 3U Rack 432mm*442mm*133mm Network connection: Ethernet Cable Cooling: 4 Fans undefined-Fan Speed: 3900RPM Current Prices: NEW Ebay ~$1000 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR8.TRC0.A0.H0.Xantminer+s4&_nkw=antminer+s4&_sacat=0) Amazon ~$1089 (http://www.amazon.com/AntMiner-S4-~2000Gh-0-69W-Bitcoin/dp/B00NWHT18A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419016767&sr=8-1&keywords=antminer+s4) Bitmaintech ~$1200 (https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140926075515819D846Og240603) Profitability: This unit is currently a decent unit for ROI. On average at this time this miner will make ~$8.07 a day mining but will cost*1 ~$4.14 to run it. Out of the gate this unit is profitable but for bitcoin*2 it would take nearly 254 days to ROI If you are not paying for power or are mining an altcoin*2 such as sha-256 altcoin this miner could be more profitable for you. Currently this unit is great if you are paying for your own power at only 0.69w / Gh/s Opinion: I am currently waiting on 2 s4's to ship to me (Should be here before christmas) I think these units would be great for a hosting company due to their low power draw and inboard PCU. They are also great for space consumption with their 3U size. I strongly recomend this unit if you can wait 254 days for ROI or mine something other than bitcoin. Antminer C1 Algo: sha-256 Hash rate: 1,008 GH/s guaranteed or 1+Th/s*4 Power consumption: ~806 Watts or 0.8W / Gh/s Power supply: DC 12V 4 PCIe Connectors required Chip Size: 28nm process Size: 331 mm x 137 mm x 160 mm(Appx) Network connection: Ethernet Cable Cooling: One 14038 Fan working with water cooling block (Pump tubing and radiator not included) Current Prices: NEW Ebay ~$400+ (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR8.TRC0.A0.H0.Xantminer+c1&_nkw=antminer+c1&_sacat=0) Amazon ~$425 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00OKKY1ZQ/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1419048426&sr=8-1&keywords=antminer+c1&condition=new) Bitmaintech ~$375 (https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020141029135048724z39CYwEQ0684) Profitability: This unit is currently a decent unit for ROI. On average at this time this miner will make ~$5.55 a day mining but will cost*1 ~$3.13 to run it. Out of the gate this unit is profitable but for bitcoin*2 it would take nearly 154 days to ROI If you are not paying for power or are mining an altcoin*2 such as sha-256 altcoin this miner could be more profitable for you. Currently this unit is a great value and has a low ROI compared to some of the other miners in the pack at a $375 price. only issue is supplying the required cooling parts to complete this miner. Opinion: I plan on buying at least 1 of these before the end of 2014, these seem to be great machines and If you by chance have a water cooler set up for GPU's this is a great way to continue making money off of it. If not it is still a good idea. Water cooling rocks! Antminer U1 Algo: sha-256 Hash rate: 1.6 GH/s *4 Power consumption: ~2 Watts or 1.2W / Gh/s Power supply: USB Chip Size: Size: 60 mm x 25 mm x 20 mm Network connection: USB plug and play Cooling: USB stick with no cooling ability Current Prices: USED Ebay ~$20 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xantminer+u1&_nkw=antminer+u1&_sacat=0) Amazon ~$30 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00HSC0D3W/ref=sr_1_2_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1419050648&sr=8-2&keywords=antminer+u1&condition=used) Profitability: This unit is for novelty or getting your feet wet only. Do not buy this for profitability. Opinion: They're a cool idea but even on the best of altcoins these will never ROI. They are cool and I have a few that I intend on adding to my up and coming "Mining Museum" But would never use these to make any money. It's not worth nor will it ever be. Antminer U2 Algo: sha-256 Hash rate: 2 GH/s *4 Power consumption: ~2.95 Watts or 1.5W / Gh/s Power supply: USB Chip Size: Size: 60 mm x 25 mm x 15 mm Network connection: USB plug and play Cooling: Heat sink only Current Prices: USED Ebay ~$20 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xantminer+u2&_nkw=antminer+u2&_sacat=0) NEW Amazon ~$30 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00ITD5NV6/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1419051374&sr=8-1&keywords=antminer+u2&condition=new) Profitability: This unit is for novelty or getting your feet wet only. Do not buy this for profitability. Opinion: They're a cool idea but even on the best of altcoins these will never ROI. They are cool and I have some similar ones that I intend on adding to my up and coming "Mining Museum" But would never use these to make any money. It's not worth nor will it ever be. Algo: Scrypt Hash rate: 120 Mh/s Power consumption: ~380 Watts Power supply: 2 PCIe Connectors*5 Chip Size: 28nm Size: Undisclosed Network connection: WiFi/Ethernet*5 Cooling: Undisclosed Current Prices: None for sale at this time Profitability: This unit could be vary profitable at its advertised $5/Mh/s however at this time bitmaintech is not relaying a lot of information. They have a proven track record, but they may have put too much on their plate with this one we will see. Opinion: They have until 12/31/2014 to send the first miner out to make their deadline anything after that will result in me changing their information above as well as being incredibly disappointed with them. This section will be updated as information becomes available. NOT COMPLETED JUST HAVE TO GET SOME SLEEP WILL CONTINUE WRITING TONIGHT PLEASE LEAVE ME SOME COMMENTS ABOUT STUFF I SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THANKS! TO COME-ADD SPONDOOLIE BFL ASICMINER AND MORE Useful Information Provided By: Zelek Uther (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137659) dogie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=87869) mavericklm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=372118) *1I am using a local price of 12.5 cents per kwh I suggest you research local power rates and use www.coinwarz.com to calculate your own profitability *2Mining altcoins is a risk bearing endeavor and requires close monitoring of the market. It also does not strengthen the bitcoin blockchain and is solely for profit. I no way endorse mining altcoins and am not responsible for any losses due to altcoin mining. *3I am not taking difficulty changes or changes in network hash rate *4Overclocking is possible but not taken into account with this number *5Information provided by Zelek Uther (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137659) *6This line is a educated guess do to statements by bitmaintech of its similarity to s1[/list] Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: dogie on December 19, 2014, 04:46:33 PM Have a look in my sig for what other current hardware you can add. Its pretty full down there :P
Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: aacoins on December 19, 2014, 07:17:40 PM Have a look in my sig for what other current hardware you can add. Its pretty full down there :P Dogie REPLIED TO MY THREAD! You're my hero man I have read every single one of your tutorials/information threads. Haha you are the mining expert of Bitcointalk man! I will definitely use your sig as a guidebook. Finishing up Bitmaintech right now.Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: mavericklm on December 19, 2014, 07:44:10 PM u may want to:
take out xpy as this coin may not exist in few years, just use sha256 altcoins add manufacturing processes that yellow is crap, can't read the letters well! Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: Zelek Uther on December 19, 2014, 07:49:37 PM Bitmain Opened Early 2013 - while this is true, we didn't hear about it until 11 Nov 2013 (see their announcement thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330665.msg3546362#msg3546362). I think it would be more helpful to list the announcement date for each company, because prior to that they were unknown to the community. For example, in June 2013 (from my memory) my order/pre-order options were ASICMINER, Bitfury?, BFL, KnCMiner... certainly not Bitmain.
S2 - I actually get 1J/GH at the wall with my S2. I'm getting 1TH/s for about 1,040W at the wall. Typos / suggestions: Oppinion -> Opinion *2require -> requires "am responsible for no losses". The usual wording is "am not responsible for any losses". *4taking -> taken Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: aacoins on December 19, 2014, 07:53:00 PM u may want to: take out xpy as this coin may not exist in few years, just use sha256 altcoins add manufacturing processes Changed XPY added chip size and researching manufacturing process Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: aacoins on December 19, 2014, 08:00:22 PM Bitmain Opened Early 2013 - while this is true, we didn't hear about it until 11 Nov 2013 (see their announcement thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330665.msg3546362#msg3546362). I think it would be more helpful to list the announcement date for each company, because prior to that they were unknown to the community. For example, in June 2013 (from my memory) my order/pre-order options were ASICMINER, Bitfury?, BFL, KnCMiner... certainly not Bitmain. S2 - I actually get 1J/GH at the wall with my S2. I'm getting 1TH/s for about 1,040W at the wall. Typos / suggestions: Oppinion -> Opinion *2require -> requires "am responsible for no losses". The usual wording is "am not responsible for any losses". *4taking -> taken Thanks for your information added Public Launch for Bitmaintech and updated the s2 inforamtion as well as fixed the typos Thank you very much! EDIT: Also added a thank you section for everyone who helps out :) Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: aacoins on December 20, 2014, 05:32:22 AM I have officially finished bitmaintech and will continue tomorrow!
Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: Tupsu on December 20, 2014, 09:52:49 AM I have officially finished bitmaintech and will continue tomorrow! Write better from things, that you have seen. Antminer S3 Cooling: Two Power supply: 12V DC Requires 2-6pin PCIe Connectors Antminer S4 Cooling: S4 Fan Specification http://www.perearstike.ee/avatar/S4vent.png Antminer C1 Cooling: One Power consumption: Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: aacoins on January 05, 2015, 11:46:22 PM Doing a lot of changes to the original OP, Will be adding a complete list of equipment to my knowledge as well as Cloud mining comparison and a lot more, have it all saved in a note pad for me to continue adding to it, but this is the most stable and readable version, In the note pad I have also added the following collums:
EBAY Price Amazon Price Manufacturer Price Official Support Thread Overclocking thread(best) Underclocking Thread(best) Dogie's Guide Please comment any sugestions you may have I would like to compile the best list to aid anyone here on the forum, kind of a good starting point for some people. Thanks! Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: Zelek Uther on January 06, 2015, 12:11:21 AM Some adjustments for the Spondoolies-Tech units:
SP10: 1.4TH/s @ 1385W (from my own measurements at the wall) SP30: 4.5TH/s @ 3000W (from my own measurements at the wall) SP31: 4.9TH/s @ 3000W (from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9909791#msg9909791) SP35: 5.5TH/s @ 3650W (from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9909791#msg9909791) All Spondoolies-Tech miners are very configurable and can be underclocked to improve efficiency. For example, for a while I was running my SP10 in "quiet" mode at 1.2TH/s drawing 910W (0.76 J/GH). Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: Prelude on January 06, 2015, 01:06:48 AM S4 has 4 fans, not 2.
Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: sudexx on January 06, 2015, 02:05:37 AM For ebay prices you can point here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=886033.0). Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: aacoins on January 06, 2015, 02:19:47 AM Some adjustments for the Spondoolies-Tech units: SP10: 1.4TH/s @ 1385W (from my own measurements at the wall) SP30: 4.5TH/s @ 3000W (from my own measurements at the wall) SP31: 4.9TH/s @ 3000W (from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9909791#msg9909791) SP35: 5.5TH/s @ 3650W (from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9909791#msg9909791) All Spondoolies-Tech miners are very configurable and can be underclocked to improve efficiency. For example, for a while I was running my SP10 in "quiet" mode at 1.2TH/s drawing 910W (0.76 J/GH). Thank you for your continued support in information, I try to pull factory specs until I can get some more personal info! For ebay prices you can point here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=886033.0). THANKS! That link will also come in handy personally as well! S4 has 4 fans, not 2. Thanks for that, that was typed ao long ago i cant remember if it was a typo or a copy and paste error or what but, I will change it! Thanks everybody Im on my phone right now but tonight I will be using all of these, please keep the ideas and information coming! Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: Beastlymac on January 06, 2015, 03:44:31 AM Check
"HIGHEST POI CHANCE=<1.0" The P instead of an R Also it looks like you have repeated the table closure tag twice. Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: aacoins on January 06, 2015, 05:20:12 AM Check "HIGHEST POI CHANCE=<1.0" The P instead of an R Also it looks like you have repeated the table closure tag twice. POI is Profit on Investment compared to Return on Investment, thanks for looking out tho, I may need to add that somewhere in my post incase more people are of the same suspicion you are. [/table] damn, right in the middle of everything I'm ending a never existing second table :) Thanks Some adjustments for the Spondoolies-Tech units: SP10: 1.4TH/s @ 1385W (from my own measurements at the wall) SP30: 4.5TH/s @ 3000W (from my own measurements at the wall) SP31: 4.9TH/s @ 3000W (from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9909791#msg9909791) SP35: 5.5TH/s @ 3650W (from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9909791#msg9909791) All Spondoolies-Tech miners are very configurable and can be underclocked to improve efficiency. For example, for a while I was running my SP10 in "quiet" mode at 1.2TH/s drawing 910W (0.76 J/GH). Addedyour personal measurements to the table with the same * as before and just so everyone knows I'm not stupid http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp31-yukon-october-batch-1 SPTech needs to have this page removed from their website as it is where I got the wrong info for the SP31 And all other information taken into account and edited as well thanks guys! Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: -ck on January 06, 2015, 08:59:00 AM Don't forget Avalon/Canaan creative
Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: aacoins on January 06, 2015, 01:26:14 PM Don't forget Avalon/Canaan creative Of course not, just very busy so doing as much editing as possible in the nights/afternoons when I can and updating regularly. Much more to come, Possible revamp again tonight :PThanks for your input! Title: Re: A detailed Comparison {Work In Progress} Post by: Beastlymac on January 06, 2015, 01:36:23 PM Don't forget Avalon/Canaan creative Of course not, just very busy so doing as much editing as possible in the nights/afternoons when I can and updating regularly. Much more to come, Possible revamp again tonight :PThanks for your input! Check the [/list] tag at the end of the post. |