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Title: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: vssa on June 26, 2012, 07:36:13 PM
Why do you trust BTC in one sentence ???


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: enmaku on June 26, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
Bitcoin isn't run by people, who can be corrupted, bribed etc - it's run by math.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Tomek on June 26, 2012, 07:40:40 PM
Math.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 26, 2012, 07:41:45 PM
Free competition.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: nimda on June 26, 2012, 07:46:40 PM
Math.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: imsaguy on June 26, 2012, 07:47:00 PM
B00bies.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Raize on June 26, 2012, 07:53:07 PM
"Democracy" has been gamed to death, long live the blockchain!


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: gregwedow on June 26, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
Humans are flawed, math is pure.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: knight22 on June 26, 2012, 08:25:45 PM
cryptomancy and free market


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Wekkel on June 26, 2012, 08:29:53 PM
Voluntary decentralized non-human controlled currency backed by people.

It's got everything that fiat-money doesn't have:
*centralized
*mandatory (for taxes)
*human-controlled (central banks, politics)
*backed by decree


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: knight22 on June 26, 2012, 08:31:19 PM
Not created out of thin air like actual bank currencies.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: vssa on June 26, 2012, 09:55:11 PM
If we want bitcoin to be popular we need a much wider set of reasons about why you trust bitcoin in one sentence we need the small details map that leading to the main reasons.
So Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence. ???


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: MoonShadow on June 26, 2012, 10:00:39 PM
I've read the white paper and know how it works.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: edd on June 26, 2012, 10:04:50 PM
Not only does Bitcoin have the potential to become a global currency without the backing of any government or organization, it eliminates the need to rely on payment processors for online payments.

Edit: I realize this doesn't quite answer the question but it was an off-the-cuff response. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a more accurate and concise statement.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: gregwedow on June 26, 2012, 10:06:29 PM
Is gaining popularity all about trust?  Trust isn't needed for people to use it. They might use it because it's cheaper, more convenient and safer than alternatives.

Then there are two different levels of trust involved.
 
I trust the transaction system because it is completely open and understandable. No shady things going on. I can watch what's happening.

Do I trust that the value stored in my bitcoins will not evaporate one day? Not really. But I'll still use them because of these earlier mentioned three reasons.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: SgtSpike on June 26, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
Cryptography keeps it secure, decentralized keeps it from corruption, open source keeps it honest, and limited supply keeps it from inflating.

That is why I trust Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: paraipan on June 26, 2012, 10:13:27 PM
Who would have guessed that all the math we studied in college would lead us to a truly free market.

Can't remember where i saw this quote:

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In bitcoin 2+2 always equals 4, no matter how much guns you point at it


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Stephen Gornick on June 26, 2012, 10:36:48 PM
Mass collaboration around an open protocol.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Xenland on June 26, 2012, 10:39:47 PM
I can be my own bank with the security of math.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: beckspace on June 26, 2012, 10:44:27 PM
Who would have guessed that all the math we studied in college would lead us to a truly free market.

Can't remember where i saw this quote:

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In bitcoin 2+2 always equals 4, no matter how much guns you point at it

by Roger Ver:

"If you point a gun at the rules of mathematics they are not gonna flinch. They don't care if you are pointing a gun at them or not."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52190.msg624861#msg624861

Why do I trust Bitcoin?

Because the keys are f....ing long!



Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: BrightAnarchist on June 26, 2012, 10:46:23 PM
'cause Bitcoin is way cool.

Also, it cured my apathy.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: fatigue on June 26, 2012, 10:47:53 PM
In cryptography we trust...


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: evolve on June 26, 2012, 11:19:20 PM
I don't.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: westkybitcoins on June 26, 2012, 11:24:26 PM
Why do I trust it?

Because it's a peer-to-peer system that relies on math, not human behavior, to keep your money and transactions secure.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Panzer1 on June 27, 2012, 01:21:46 AM
Why? Security, reliability, ease of use.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Stephen Gornick on June 27, 2012, 02:19:34 AM
Open source.

To quite Linus Torvalds: "Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow".


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: gamebak on June 27, 2012, 03:04:12 AM
You can have no fees, almost instant payments, very good for business, and 1BTC = 6$ :)


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: cedus on June 27, 2012, 03:28:49 AM
Love the idea & design, on the other hand there hasn't yet emerged any reason why I shouldn't trust.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: silentseawolf on June 27, 2012, 05:15:15 AM
In Blockchain we trust.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Hexadecibel on June 27, 2012, 05:32:01 AM
Trust is not necessary.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: notme on June 27, 2012, 05:42:57 AM
I'm going to cheat.

I trust bitcoin because I read and understood this: http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf .


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: rgenito on June 27, 2012, 06:04:50 AM
I trust it because there is no middle man :)

...or at least that's what i hope ;(


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: AmazonStuff on June 27, 2012, 06:32:04 AM
Because it's the only option for me :D


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: vssa on June 27, 2012, 08:19:25 AM
If we want bitcoin to be popular we need a much wider set of reasons about why you trust bitcoin in one sentence we need the small details map that leading to the main reasons.
So Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.  ???


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: JTurner on June 27, 2012, 08:45:50 AM
I don't.
Me neither. I'll trust it when a concrete solution to blockchain expansion is implemented (I know, it's been discussed quite a lot already and theoretical solutions have been proposed, but that's not enough yet IMO). That part on scalability is scary too:
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At very high transaction rates each block can be over a gigabyte in size. These blocks must be stored somewhere. Whilst for speed it'd be ideal to store the block chain entirely in RAM, for cheapness storing only the hot parts in RAM and the rest on disk is the way to go. A 3 terabyte hard disk costs less than $200 today and will be cheaper still in future, so you'd need one such disk for every 21 days of operation (at 1gb per block).
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability#Storage
Buying a new hard drive every 3 weeks is annoying already, but adding it to the computer sounds even much worse... sounds like after a few months of blocks like that you'd need some funky hardware (NAS or whatever) just to store the blockchain. Clearly not an option...


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: realnowhereman on June 27, 2012, 09:40:13 AM
Trust is not necessary.

This is the best one; it's the one I'm going to use on friends.

"I trust Bitcoin because it does not require trust."


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Grouver (BtcBalance) on June 27, 2012, 09:47:06 AM
I understand the OP his vision on this.
Why should you trust people that claim you should trust in the math it's build on.
I mean the only way you can confirm this is to take a look at the source code.
But what if you cannot read C++?
Well, then you need to trust the people that claim it's alright.
But those people will also probably have Bitcoin and won't say Bitcoin is a shitty currency since it's at there own intrest to make Bitcoin look good.

Right?


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Francesco on June 27, 2012, 10:00:55 AM
I trust in BTC because a wide community trusts in them. I mean: when they went from 30$ to 1$ all of a sudden, many bloggers claimed it was "the end of bitcoin". But it was not, people started to buy it again, and it's back to 6$ now. If it didn't fail that time, it will never.

On top of that, there are objectively some classes of people that need something like bitcoins, and will likely buy them no matter what. Criminals, for one: there is no other way to make big payments almost anomimously.
But also developing countries are a great hope. Right now if an emigrant wants to send money at home, they need to pay up to 25% to a money transfer agency, only to convert it to fiat money that will likely inflate at skyrocketing speed. That whole half of the world (the fastest growing, seen the situation of our "rich" countries) could move almost completely to bitcoin in the coming years, as soon as the price of a cell phone that can hold a bitcoin wallet goes down enough.
(http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/09/feature-phones-are-not-the-future/ (http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/09/feature-phones-are-not-the-future/))


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: pron241 on June 27, 2012, 10:05:41 AM
Simple: Because it works.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Kazimir on June 27, 2012, 10:12:34 AM
Why do you trust BTC in one sentence ???
Because I understand why it's completely safe, secure, fair, anonymous, and neither dependent on nor owned or controlled by a person or company or institution.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: realnowhereman on June 27, 2012, 10:55:17 AM
I understand the OP his vision on this.
Why should you trust people that claim you should trust in the math it's build on.
I mean the only way you can confirm this is to take a look at the source code.
But what if you cannot read C++?
Well, then you need to trust the people that claim it's alright.

You're right to a degree; you do need a certain amount of trust in someone.  The beauty of bitcoin is that the Satoshi client is not all there is; plus there are customised versions of the client; plus there are those that can read C++ and do look.  You have to believe in a truly massive conspiracy to think that there is a maliciously inserted back door in Bitcoin.  Every single person involved in the conspiracy would need to have an incentive from it; and since that would include miners, and new miners can always joins, that is not a fixed pool.  That means the conspirators would have to be constantly recruiting, and recruiting in secret.

You're right then that we need to trust that the above isn't happening.  It's not an easy leap to make though.

Even given all that though; there is nothing to stop you sitting with the protocol specification, and a hex dump of whatever transactions you thought were dodgy and verifying them by hand.  I'm not suggesting you do; but it's not outside the realms of possibility.  That possibility adds to the unlikelihood of the conspiracy.

But those people will also probably have Bitcoin and won't say Bitcoin is a shitty currency since it's at there own intrest to make Bitcoin look good.

If they're holding bitcoin they have an incentive to ensure there is no back door; and that what they're holding really is secure.  If they discovered it was not; then they could sell their holdings then reveal the insecurity.  There would be no advantage to keeping it secret, since someone else might discover it as well and invalidate their holdings before they can sell them.

In short: bitcoin holder's biggest incentive is not to try to prop up a bad currency; but to ensure that what they do hold really is secure.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: isthisreallife on June 27, 2012, 11:08:10 AM
I don't.

But give me time  ;D


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Somlba on June 27, 2012, 11:11:53 AM
Free market and no FED.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Handler on June 27, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
The ability to be "completely" (yes we could discuss this for days) anonymous. I hate knowing that some suit could be looking through my bank transactions at any time.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: localhost on June 27, 2012, 12:12:00 PM
The ability to be "completely" (yes we could discuss this for days) anonymous.
Indeed there's still room for improvement on this. I think it will be much better already when the client allows users to choose which address to send from when performing a transaction (I think I read in some other thread that this feature was coming maybe in 0.7?).


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: notme on June 27, 2012, 02:41:49 PM
I don't.
Me neither. I'll trust it when a concrete solution to blockchain expansion is implemented (I know, it's been discussed quite a lot already and theoretical solutions have been proposed, but that's not enough yet IMO). That part on scalability is scary too:
Quote
At very high transaction rates each block can be over a gigabyte in size. These blocks must be stored somewhere. Whilst for speed it'd be ideal to store the block chain entirely in RAM, for cheapness storing only the hot parts in RAM and the rest on disk is the way to go. A 3 terabyte hard disk costs less than $200 today and will be cheaper still in future, so you'd need one such disk for every 21 days of operation (at 1gb per block).
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability#Storage
Buying a new hard drive every 3 weeks is annoying already, but adding it to the computer sounds even much worse... sounds like after a few months of blocks like that you'd need some funky hardware (NAS or whatever) just to store the blockchain. Clearly not an option...

Max block size is currently 1mb and most blocks are far from full.  So at the moment you looking at 21,000 days before you need a new drive.  By the time this limit has to be raised (probably doubled), hard drive density will have quadrupled at least.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 27, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Because the growing list of notables espousing BTCitcoin can't all be wrong.

That, and there's a monthly physical magazine out that I'll seen, held, and read with my own person, created by a guy who...wait for it...eats dog.

~Bruno~


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: nimda on June 27, 2012, 06:14:37 PM
I understand the OP his vision on this.
Why should you trust people that claim you should trust in the math it's build on.
I mean the only way you can confirm this is to take a look at the source code.
But what if you cannot read C++?
Well, then you need to trust the people that claim it's alright.
But those people will also probably have Bitcoin and won't say Bitcoin is a shitty currency since it's at there own intrest to make Bitcoin look good.

Right?
I think that if the math Bitcoin was built on was flawed, there'd be even one person who would point it out. While the client's source is a bit above my head, I can go so far as to verify that it matches the whitepaper (minus merkle-tree pruning). And I can read the whitepaper, and it sounds good to me...

So if you can't verify Bitcoin's math, find me one person who has verified that it doesn't work. Bitcoin's userbase is large enough that it encompasses enough people who are competent in C++.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: visual111 on June 27, 2012, 08:03:44 PM
because it began on the internet. and i don't really care for government controlled currencies


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: muqali on June 27, 2012, 08:22:47 PM
I don't.

Same here. *points to sword* this, this you can trust.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: zus on June 27, 2012, 11:48:24 PM
Independent


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: bighecks on June 27, 2012, 11:48:31 PM
better than paypal


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: RodeoX on June 27, 2012, 11:52:15 PM
Because there is no one to trust, so trust is irrelevant.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: finkleshnorts on June 27, 2012, 11:55:11 PM
Because of this guy named pirateat40 who makes everyone rich for free


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: SeBTC on June 28, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
I find one sentance too short.

How about some Haiku?

I might trust bitcoin
Other bitcoiners do too
That's ok for now


Or a limerick:

There once was a bitcoiner named Dave
With fiat cash felt like a slave
In Bitcoin he trust
If it never will go bust
He'll have enough coins to save


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: CA Coins on June 28, 2012, 05:06:37 PM
Cryptography keeps it secure, decentralized keeps it from corruption, open source keeps it honest, and limited supply keeps it from inflating.

That is why I trust Bitcoin.

Well said.

I'd add: a community of people who also believe in it.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: nimda on June 28, 2012, 05:13:10 PM
I find one sentance too short.

How about some Haiku?

I might trust bitcoin
Other bitcoiners do too
That's ok for now


Or a limerick:

There once was a bitcoiner named Dave
With fiat cash felt like a slave
In Bitcoin he trust
If it never will go bust
He'll have enough coins to save

Math math math math math
Bitcoin doesn't require trust
math math math math math


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: fatigue on June 28, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
I find one sentance too short.

How about some Haiku?

I might trust bitcoin
Other bitcoiners do too
That's ok for now


Or a limerick:

There once was a bitcoiner named Dave
With fiat cash felt like a slave
In Bitcoin he trust
If it never will go bust
He'll have enough coins to save

Math math math math math
Bitcoin doesn't require trust
math math math math math

+1


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Deafboy on June 28, 2012, 06:10:06 PM
One currency rule them all


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Factory on July 25, 2012, 04:20:09 AM


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 25, 2012, 05:12:45 AM
"I trust Bitcoin because it does not require trust."

This.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: flyingfleece on August 19, 2012, 05:04:57 AM
It's a math based currency and easily kept anonymous, unlike government based currency.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: stoneyjonez on August 19, 2012, 08:29:53 AM
I trust it because it is not the euro or US dollar.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: drakahn on August 19, 2012, 08:33:35 AM
Because I can.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Jutarul on August 19, 2012, 09:05:53 AM
"I trust Bitcoin because it does not require trust."

This.
+1

and: "because you have full control over your money and nobody can stop your transactions"


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Domrada on August 19, 2012, 02:47:59 PM
The technology is sound and the user community is diehard.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Vladimir on August 19, 2012, 02:53:22 PM
"I trust Bitcoin because it does not require trust."

This.

Yep, I trust Bitcoin because I do not have to trust anyone if I do not want to.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Kazimir on August 19, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
"I trust Bitcoin because it does not require trust."
Hehe, well said.

Well actually, it depends on trusting mathematical principles, rather than trusting people. The latter has proven to be less reliable uncountable times.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: deus-ex-machina on August 19, 2012, 05:47:19 PM
I didn't until it proved I should, after which I now trust it with anything.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: BitCoinsLOL on August 19, 2012, 05:58:19 PM
 I don't even trust the NYSE

Math is math but human behavior causes the swings.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: mexxer on August 19, 2012, 06:07:30 PM
Because I feel it's safer than payment processors.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on August 19, 2012, 06:38:42 PM
I don't trust bitcoin, but it works without my trust.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: bitc on August 19, 2012, 06:59:58 PM
why?
Math.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: kaii on August 19, 2012, 07:16:51 PM
I carefully read Satoshi Nakamoto's paper and understand the security guarantees of the algorithms involved.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: biddicoin on August 19, 2012, 07:24:54 PM
Everything which is NOT $ or € or something else... is my choice


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: samuelkane on August 19, 2012, 07:31:08 PM
i'm not sure i do :-) , but i'm thick enough to try before i know all the ins and outs hehehe


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: WorldOfBitcoin on August 19, 2012, 07:49:15 PM
I trust science not goverments


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: sippsnapp on August 20, 2012, 03:10:08 AM
We can purchase & exchange products services and cash anonymously out of reach of the eyes of the local authorities, its like cash.


Title: Re: Why do you trust bitcoin in one sentence.
Post by: Ivica on August 20, 2012, 07:25:54 AM
Math.