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Are you a Doomsday Prepper?

How are you using BTC in your plans to prepare for any doomsday scenario?

I don't think bitcoin can help in any doomsday scenarios. Bitcoin relies on the ability to communicate freely throughout the world quickly in order to properly work. Most doomsday scenarios involve communications significantly hampered.

If you survive a year you may have a use for some medium of exchange, as the survivors begin trade again. Spending it in advance on more food, fuel etc to guarantee you will survive that year would optimal. What would a meal cost then? $100 worth of paper money? Gram of gold? Maybe only a couple of doses of tylenol.

I don't mean to sound too dramatic but what difference would it make anyway? In doomsday scenario people will even be throwing away gold. In chaotic condition who would maintain btc network

How do you figure? I see gold being a rather big commodity in a dooms day scenario. Precious metals will always hold value, even during a doomsday scenario. Not as much value as food and water I don't think, but I'm willing to bet that people will accept gold to purchase said food and water.

"How are doomsday preppers using BTC in their plans?"
Did you hear, they have succeeded at putting the Internet on computers these days?   :D

I'm using it right now to buy all my ammo and dehydrated food.

Repent, the end is nigh! Famine, Death, War, Pestilence and Bitcoin! lol

All currencies will lose value in a doomsday event. Paper money will only be worth as much as regular paper to light a fire with it.
BTC won't be important either, but would possibly when mankind starts rebuilding.

Bitcoin falls faster than fiat if global disaster occurs  :)

going to use btc to buy as much alcohol as i can

This is wrong in many aspects.

Pfft, I don't think there will be a doomsday, chaos certainly, but the only people it will be a doomsday for is those who use this era of paper currency to maintain their current lifestyle ;)

I am somewhat a prepper.

Many people choose different approaches, some look to hunker down where they are so they can "wait things out", others have a bug out bag with a plan for where they will go if something happens.

I chose another approach, mobility. I have minimized my life to the point where I can carry everything I own in a carry on and backpack. I left the US and make sure that I am not tied down anywhere, my apartment has no lease, I have no utility contracts, my cell phone is prepaid. Sure, if something bad happened unexpectedly I would not be much better off than anyone else. But I think, just like MtGox, the signs will be there that I need to get out. With nothing holding me back I will be more likely to pick up and move and can do so at a moment's notice. I am becoming a global citizen where I can go to where there is the least amount of tyranny.

How does bitcoin help? I have all of my money with me, hardware encrypted, software encrypted with several passwords to go through before you can reach my bitcoins. No need to open bank accounts, establish a residence, etc.  With localbitcoins I can get cash to pay my rent and buy food/gas.

Some jews made it out of Germany before the SHTF, some Russians got out of the USSR before the rise of communism, I will be one of those people that gets out early.

I might want to buy a submarine with BTC but I dont think ill ever have that much.

Yah god forbid you had any unpaid bills if society collapsed :D

Agreed. If the net goes down we're obviously screwed. It would be interesting to see what would be used as money in a scenario like this. I guess fiat would still be better but with complete economic collapse it would likely go back to a bartering system.

seriously? after a (proper) doomsday, you would probably suffer hunger and thirst for long time and maybe radiations and all kind of shit. btc (and any other currency) would be at that point worthless since all markets are not there anymore. In that scenario humanity would focus on basic things to survive.

seems like you never suffered hunger in your lives to know how it feels, how your mind change and how people become more close and helpful and fucking money suddenly have no sense anymore

I'm not trying to be cheeky, but I'm really curious. Where would you go if we are faced with civilizational collapse? How would bitcoins help when bartering is probably the way to survive?

From what I can glean from your average doomsday type is that they all tend to be basically anti-technology. They don't mind using it now for attention etc but they are expecting to live in a world where all the present systems have collapsed, aren't they?
I try not to listen to obvious crackpots (unless they're funny) but I've met a few survivalist types who intend to live off the land. Computers ain't comin' supposedly.

Mogadishu.

Throughout history there are several cases of localized collapse of civilization. Can you point to an instance where all at once, the whole world was met by an event that affected every civilization?

I see the US on the verge of collapse so I got out of there. I am in Europe now just because that was not such an extreme transition from the US.

But my 5 year plan involves buying a catamaran sailboat living anywhere. Getting used to being mobile and figuring out the ins and outs of getting services without a residence will help.

Instead of BTC I would consider copper or gold.

It totally depends on what the "doomsday" is.  Doomsday implies the entire world takes a shit.. at that point guns and numbers become king to think other wise is just utterly silly.

If we are talking just the economic collapse of Merica BTC might be an amazing way to ensure you do not go broke..

As much as I love bitcoin I'm not sure it would do well in this scenario. Things like gold / precious metals and other physical items that can be traded will succeed. Even food would become the most expensive commodity so maybe that will become a currency.

This is the doomsday that I see most likely happening. When our debt bubble cannot pop, there will be consequences that are hard to predict.

https://i.imgur.com/hKrWuKu.png

Here we go, potentially cheap bug out locations... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/caribou-hunt-industry-collapse-still-haunts-northern-quebec-1.2879442

Well well well.. this is good infor for me.

no internet, no bitcoin

in doomsday internet and network are one of the first things that go down

Don't be silly. Society is going to completely break down except for the Internet and cellular phone service. rofl

Probably won't effect satellite internet which would likely see a boom, but electricity could be a bigger problem.

Well, I live in a country, where things {politics} are very volatile and I will have to have a backup plan, to move to another country, with only the shirt on my back, if the shit hits the fan.

What Bitcoin allows me to do, is to have access to "startup" money, when I have to move in a hurry.

In most cases, when countries go to war, the banks close, and the government can even order banks to froze accounts. In this type of scenario you do not have access to your own money.

I only need to have access to a piece of paper with the private key.... or the key encrypted in online storage or within online text on online blogs or emails etc etc.. {We all have our own ways of hiding things on the internet}

Worst case, you only have to remember the pass phrase ..... in your head.

So you do not need a Doomsday scenario, just a country, where you might not be welcomed or be at war, and you have to flee with your family.  >:(

 

I think this is one very good reason for bitcoin. Many people think it will never happen but it can always happen. It's not unrealistic that we could  have a global war or economical collapse in the near future.

That right there is reason BTC is utterly amazing.  F U harper, suck my nuts you cannot have my wealth.

I'm somewhat a prepper too, though I don't have much BTC. I don't think BTC would survive long against a major catastrophe.
I'd rather own valuables and bank accounts in several different countries. If something bad happens where I'm currently staying, I can just move elsewhere and keep on living the way I'm used to.

You want to know the easiest way to have a bank account in several different countries?

BTC <--

Basically anywhere in Canada that isn't near a big city (most of the country) is real cheap. You can get a entire golf course with buildings in norther Saskatchewan for around 200 K. Only problem is... Northern Saskatchewan... Just like you can buy a house in Buffalo for 10K, except... Buffalo 😷

LOL Buffalo. Every home sold includes one year of free service.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/wInAsd8FEeU/0.jpg

Also, property taxes are freaking insane in Buffalo, and pretty much anywhere NY state.

I know that very well, but convenience and acceptance is an issue. Right now in Europe, I can wire unlimited money (only limited by my balance) for free. If I want to buy a car, I just ask the seller what's his bank account, and he'll get my money the following day. BTC is even faster, but would my seller accept BTC? Actually, I'd like to do more business with BTC, but few people accept it.

That is sadly true. It's actually almost free to transfer money within the EU within the banking system, so prices and availability isn't the issue here.

There wont be a doomsday, but there will be massive riots and certaily some civil unrest (vigilant mobs, vandalization, street riots,etc)

Yet  i dont think the the BRICS will be affected as much as the Western World, communist China even now hosts the majority of the Bitcoin servers and mining stuff.

So if the $$$ AND €€€€ collapses i think the BRICS will take over, and the BTC wont suffer that much, instead it will rise to 1-100 million dollar / BTC as the american billionares will try to save their wealth, because the government will put sever capital controls, bans gold transfers ,etc.

So i think that China, Brazil and the other BRICS members (Russia i`m not sure as it relies too much on oil), will survive.

Also Norway,Australia ,NZ, and the mini states (Hong King,Singapore,Macao,etc) have also a high probability of not being affected economically.

But definitely the EU and the US including Canada will be decimated, the US debt bubble is just too big and the western world cant handle it any longer.

That's a pretty good summary of the future but the least of our worries will be civil unrest. The only problem with that theory is the predictable behavior of New Rome (North America). The Romans only know one way to bring their economy back from the brink of distruction and that's by gearing up the war machine to full production. That can only leave a wake of distruction worldwide. Even if the individual battles remain conventional it will massively effect worldwide electronic transfers because any good battle plan includes crippling communication channels.

So what BRICS+Iran+North Krorea  vs NATO + South Korea + Japan +Commonwealth

I dont think so, there may be tensions building up between Russia and USA, but i dont think there will be any war, its mostly rhetoric, and hopefully the US citizens now know that the war is not a solution.

Also if they get into this was, then the US soil wont remain intact, because in all previous wars, they never get hurt while other countries were destroyed to dust, in this war they wont.
So where will the banksters hide if not in the US, so they cant afford to get into a war with Russia because they both have ICBM's and stuff like that.

Nah, that's too conspiracy theory, they may be reckless and powerhungry but they are not that idiotic to get into a full globar war, especially now that we have atomic bombs, its just too risky.

A global war isn't really necessary to support the economy with increased production. Multiple smaller theaters with confined conventional weapons will work well enough to dig the superpowers out of the hole they've buried themselves in. The U.S., the USSR and China have already fought proxy wars using pawn countries. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Ethiopia, El Salvador, Cuba and several middle eastern conflicts were supplied by the superpowers. China dumped masses of armament and technical advisors into Vietnam during that war. I think mutually assured destruction works and don't believe any future war will become nuclear. That's not to say that a lot of the worlds infrastructure can't be destroyed along the way. Bitcoin will suffer in parts of the world when that happens.

Unfortunately, the U.S. citizens are not really in control of their military structure. The U.S. propaganda machine works pretty well and can fend off the citizenry until well after the damage is done. I've been watching my country shit on other nations for more than 50 years and I don't expect it stop anytime soon. As bad as the economy is currently I don't really see how we can avoid a war. We need war, the economy needs war. The powers that be think they can kickstart the economy by using oil reserves to dump the cost of a barrel of oil. That simply won't be enough.

Well the only "justified" place to make a proxy war now is Syria, maybe they come up with some excuse.

The problem with that is that Putin clearly said that it will not tolerate any more American "interventions" in the middle east, the drone strikes are probably justified because it doesnt violate any war protocols, but ground troop invasion are probably off limits.

Other than that i dont think they can come up with another excuse to invade some other country, because the world will know what they are doing.

Especially since they dont want to give back Germany's gold, Europe has a really bitter looking face towards USA.

I feel sorry that your government is so warmonger, but i just dont see what excuse it can come up with to go into war with another country other than Syria.

Looking at the financial growth of some countries, it will be a economic shift in power.

WAR has no value, if everything is burned to the ground and we have seen, what depression after WWI and WWII has done to many countries.

It might even be a WAR between countries for WATER. Without water, nobody can live, water in my opinion is the most important resource in the world, and people pollute it like, we have a unlimited supply.

When you look at this, Bitcoin would be your last worry....... ;)

This is true. Things like electricity and internet access will likely become more scarce in the event of most doomsday scenarios which will push up the cost of both. The higher cost of electricity (and to some extent internet) will make mining less profitable, in addition to the fact that the lack of internet access would make bitcoin very difficult to spend (which is what ultimately gives it it's value)

Oh man stop crying about water, i`m really fed up with this water scarcity phenomena.

So many green propagandists bitch aboutthis for decades. How the f*ck can there be a water scarcity?

Every major town is built on or near a river, you can get water from there, and with a fkin pot and a few matches you can filter water out in 5 minutes.

2/3 Of the planet is filled with water wtf man, with a cheap filtering system you can convert salty sea water into potable water.

I`m just so tired of this green BS of water scarcity, just look around people, its very easy to make clean water, its everywhere.

if internet fails bitcoin will fail

but that is not going to happen  ;)

Jesus loves you BCX, I'm not sure about everyone else though. lol

I am not a doomsday prepper but I have looked around for who is actually accepting BTC in the field of metal things, seeds, and nonregulated things generally.  To be prepared and to do so without someone looking up your shirt or down your pants does not a doomsday prepper make, I just happen to like what I like without you liking to know what all it happens to be.  There are some folks here and there, you usually have to just look.  Truth be told, BTC may not be the most ideal choice for those kind of purchases, but it may be a much better possibility next year (in 2015) due to the growth of stealth technology and also the coming of, you guessed it, Zerocash, which when released will make many bitcoin users able to sleep a bit easier.

Now the question then, can you get things like seed, food, most tools you would need for ordinary work, some tools you'd need for bench work, reloading and so forth, in other words, things you might need for most daily this and that, with BTC?  Yes but it would take quite a bit of digging to do so.  To do so with OpenBazaar (a decentralized market system based on bitcoin) and similar systems would be a task at the moment because those markets are emerging - in any given moment there may be somewhere between 50 and 70 percent (growing) of the world's economy churning through (mostly) undetectable (though not exactly anonymous at the moment) SystemD.  In this manner when all is said and done, in less than 15 to 20 years' time, truly and well regulated economic systems which also include well-traced units of currency (where said traced regulated units are not disposed of quickly) will likely become less than 5 to 10 percent of the world's economy (variable, but this is a fair estimate, examining developments in the USA, Russian Federation, Belarus, North Korea, and a few other choice places). BTC is not anonymous.  It does not function in an anonymous way, although in 2015 it will be interchangeable with token systems that will indeed be anonymous and for which the consensus will be developed differently.  One example is Zerocash, which will allow purely transparent bitcoin users to exchange with the (anonymous token) Zerocash users, without any conflict between the consensus systems in Zerocash and the consensus systems that also guard against double spend in standard bitcoin.  

Well.

First down the shitter, gotta be first up right?

My own personal perspective has changed on that point... quite a bit... see my signature and chew that one over in your brain.

Doesn't mean one isn't prepared for what happens day to day tho.

Gnite friend

doomsday prepper shouldn't care about this shit.
They normally aren't the air-heads you find around this forum.
They buy real stuff not las vegas dreams like bitcoin.

You couldn't the internet would be down in a doomsday situation.

Yes but the btc cant lose any of its value since, nobody can change it back into dollars.

I mean, if the internet goes down, you cant change it back, but when it will come back, it will be the only way to store wealth safely, and it will remain the only currency in the world.

Even if you have places that accept bitcoin today, it does not mean they will accept it tomorrow (or the day after some doomsday scenario happens). Even if government fiat is no longer accepted such merchants are not going to accept bitcoin in the event that the network is not generally operational and the merchant can exchange their bitcoin for other things of value. It would be likely that any kind of doomsday would result in overall communications systems (the internet) to generally be unavailable which means transactions cannot be broadcast and miners will not know which blockchain to mine on

A war in Syria is Justified! Well at least the MSM didn't fail on twisting your soft mind.

Assad compared to the groups he is fighting is the moderate one. Syria has long been a target for the west to cause trouble because Syria has close links with Iran and the west has hoped to drag Iran into a war for years now. Most of the fighting in Syria is done by people from outside the country. The much publicised gas attacks were as we know later done by Muslim groups hoping to blame Assad. If you want to know in a simple way who is on the side of good ask the Christians in any Middle Eastern country. Assad has always protected them until now and have been largely slaughtered.

Is Assad a perfect guy? Nope but just like Saddam Hussein sometimes it's the relatively moderate dictatorship that holds the extreme Muslim groups back and containing them. You only have to look at Assad and see he is a moderate, before this uprising western leaders would regularly meet and have good relations with him. What Assad did was when there was the Middle Eastern uprising in his country he was quite tough and did go in hard. But those he went in hard on are the kind of Muslim groups we are fighting in Iraq etc anyway.

I'm willing to make some assumptions - you know, basic ones. Like: People will figure it out.  Or if they can't for a while they will exchange it on paper until they can.  I assume you have heard of piper wallet, bicycle (powered) generators - which we use where I live for electricity (sometimes) and (non-electrical-powered) juice-ice blended drinks (a lot), and Stalingrad.  Geez.

Happy New Year.

For me Bitcoin is not good for a real doomsday as an universal survival tool. But it could help. A little bit or a little more, depends on how the whole Bitcoin scene and market evolves. :)

I don't think trading bitcoin via paper wallets would be a very good idea. It would be impossible to know if there is actually any inputs on the address the paper wallet has the private key to. You would essentially be trading pieces of paper that you must trust that the other person is not scamming you for. Bitcoin is a system when you should not be trusting the person you are trading with

Rapidly this is sounding to me like those old discussions you would see on pre-internet tv (you know where we were still playing around with getting our phones to scream) and the talking heads were laughing saying "that internet thing it will never work"

Also I am reminded that there are people in Finland (who happened to kick ass of Soviet invasion in Winter war btw) who right now today are transmitting bitcoin over television, finally putting television rays to good use.

I don't know, this thread is getting a bit boring.  But keep it up

One word 'Confiscation'. In a real doomsday economic collapse you can be sure many governments will turn to their people for wealth, including Gold and Silver confiscation. No one can real prove you own Bitcoin and if you say you lost it all playing Bitcoin casino then that's the truth. Plus you can move wealth over borders which again is essential if your government decide they want your stuff and will put capital controls up to stop you going anywhere with it.

They will confiscate debit accounts, current accounts, gold vaults, silver vaults, other precious metal vaults, private pensions, in some extreme cases even farm land and mansions or other property.

 But they can never confiscate Bitcoins. Thats the beauty of it!

Yah, you can have my bitcoins, when you take them from my cold, dead, HDD.... maybe I should backup more often

The government will start tracking bitcoins long before a doomsday scenario comes into play.
Just look at all the KYC requirements of exchanges.