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It's Bob's world, bro. Just don't play in it

that ex has always had problems  seems funny that a coin with 300 btc volume never got added to trex.  pfc is at least 10x the total c-cex volume for all other coins..

i really want pfc to be real because i got a ton of khs

C-Cex is part of the scam. This exchange was made by and for hashprofit scam and it will disapear soon.

I agree with that. And someone's continuing to dump the coins up to hell with no legible strategy or sensible purpose. According to the charts, he sold off about half of the available supply but it's quite impossible to get to the accurate analysis as c-cex charts don't allow a detailed scalability of the candles proportionally to the time spacings.

If we had this movement on poloniex, we could perform the much accurate analysis regarding the amounts of coins that were sold from dumps and bought from the sell wall. Eventually, devs have a few hundreds thousands of PFC stocked up for further dumps. Not sure what would they earn at these prices, if they consider to sell the rest of premine for 5K......

don't know if it goes that far

I've posted in c-cex thread and for the moment this remains unsorted. No comments / explanations have been made from c-cex mods over the last 4 hours. I assume they simply have no idea what to respond since they mainly get the instructions from the exchange's owner.

This proves, that owner of the exchange considers it unnecessary or even superfluous to inform staff of business-related matters. If he makes no move to defend the reputation of the exchange, then c-cex will end up in a wink.

The devs not wanting to answer basic questions on their thread here was a red flag for me. Time will tell if these guys are legit or not but it's not looking good at the moment.

Not sure if they are legit, but as for the paid support which they recently announced costs 0.03 btc that sounds like peak of idiocy.

Basically, for me it looks like ICO at the conventional price - 10K. If they decide to finally close up and throw everything out at wholesale prices, then we will rebuy coins for 10K and let push come to show. After the dumps over, with the market cap valuing at 200 btc it's impossible for 10K buyers to loss money.

Ed from AllCrypt.com here. I've opened a support ticket with C-CEX requesting they contact us so we can discuss the situation. I'd like to believe that C-CEX was merely experiencing traffic issues from the unprecedented surge in traffic to the site.

Being lead dev I have access to all logs and info, and while it's not our place to decide whats a scam and what is not, nor is it our job to put a stop to such activity*, I do believe that people should be allowed to freely make their own choices regarding such things. If it's true (and again, I do not believe it is) that C-CEX had any involvement, well, that's deplorable, but I'd like them to be able to voice their side of things.

And I'd like to personally speak to the dev and compare notes. Our site has experienced odd activity that may well have an unrelated or "legitimate" reason, (or be completely related) and I'd like to get to the bottom of it.

So, C-CEX guys - respond to my support ticket and let's chat. Hoping a public call to action will speed an answer.

Ed
AllCrypt.com Lead Dev

* Regarding an exchange's role, we're here to provide a service, not pass judgement. I'm a libertarian at heart, and I think people should have access to the tools they choose to use. *IF* a coin is a scam and you choose to invest, it is not our role to diaper you and protect you from your own stupidity or poor judgement. Also, it is not our role or responsibility to try and judge what is and is not a valid coin. That's for you to decide. That all being said - price fixing, colluding, and cheating by an exchange are all reprehensible. We just wanted to make our position clear.

c-CEX starting look suspicious .. 8)

My inquires to C-Cex support have be replied with that they have been trying to get into contact as well with the PFC staff but they are not answering. In all the time I have been using C-Cex I have no reason to believe that they would engage in any wrong doing.

C-cex and Hash Profit are same company
So both of them are SCAM
Dont invest them...

Any proofs of that? ???

doubtful

shit itrs been just 24 hrs it dosent look good but i still cant outright say scam without proof .... hp says hackers got in sold off khs for pfc (= 15% of total supply) dumped  pfc  hp stepped in to stop loss perhaps cex stopped tx on pfc to mitigate losses during attack...  not saying thats true just saying it fits the situation as well as any conspiracy theory
furthermore if it is an atack as they claim lots of people are gonna butt hurt when it rebounds to 150  200k, following succesful re-opening and payment resumes for mining contracts

*EDIT
If I were forced to make a call here im sad to say i personally believe (opinion) we all got took for a ride and( i hate to say it) we all lost everything i have very little faith in pfc return but i do have a lot to gain if hp resumes mining and payments continue

Actually the volume of trade that currency and reached very high.
And the C-cex never had a currency that we arrive at this kind of volume of trade.
I'm still putting a little faith that it is legitimate.

and even hashie.co got DDOS and attacked yesterday ..... wow what is next CEX.IO ??

i lost my SSDcoin in c-cex without advance notice are they will be scam exchange?
because i send support ticket but they never send my coin back

no DDOS, hashie, HP, both ran/collapsed yesterday, no hack, no DDOS, no nothing, just a bunch of guys chilling in the bahamas atm, laughing at us.

any real proof ?

No real proof but look at the facts

0.03 bitcoin to send them an email , which people aint even sure if it sends an actual message.

They said this is to prevent spamming messages , 10-50 cent would prevent spam messages , 10 dollars is what scam artists obsessed with getting money would charge. They even called it a "small fee"

That to me alone screams they are just scamming fucktards .

They are stating they need 7 days to fix a ddos problem , This in itself is weird , especially considering access to the front page message hasn't had a single problem

yesterday the total amount of coins in just sell orders, this isn't people buying and selling into their selves , this was actually the amount of coins in active sell orders. It was over 600,000 coins on c-cex and allcrypt combined. This is over 25% of the premine , held by the dev's

They claim that users accounts were hacked and their KH/S was sold for profit coin which was then "dumped"

600,000 coins as active sell orders, You can only sell 15% of your KH/S , it was for a price of 0.07 profit coin per KH/S to sell them .

This means that somehow we are expected to believe that over 7.5 million KH/s was sold from other peoples accounts. More because 7.5million kh/s is only 520,000 coins.

remember , 15% max can be sold, so they hacked accounts holding more than 52 million KH/s to get the the 7.5million to be able to sell and "dump"


This is very unlikely to be true, what is more likely to be true is , no hack happened . The people in control of the pre mine (the dev's) dumped the coins and ran off with the money made and they will not return

sounds just about right to me which is bs because i bought my hashes not invested in an ico pump coin i was inn for the mining profits looked nice with easy roi

what other scam had the btc fee to send a message was it cryptorush or standard coin i cant remember

who needs more proof right ?

Sorry I didn't reply sooner - was out of town for a Christmas week off from school trip with my son yesterday, and I didn't want support staff posting this on my behalf.

I heard back from C-CEX in regards to my support ticket with them. No, I don't believe they were involved. So anyone harping about C-CEX being in on it also, please, don't ruin a site's reputation because of what you THINK. Use some facts first.

And to the guy who posted they are the same company, spreading made up crap like that is just as bad as what hashprofit did. Please, don't. Yesterday on the train I was reading bitcointalk and saw a post from someone regarding this saying that "Both C-CEX and Allcrypt are shady anyway" - and I wanted to reply and ask why. I don't know much about C-CEX. Running an exchange is a full time job. I don't have time to know the reputations of all the other exchanges out there.

But AllCrypt is shady? That just sucks. We've always went above and beyond to be transparent. Sure, we're understaffed. Our daily volume is public record. Our trade fees are public record. Do the math. We are nowhere near close in any sense to turning a profit. The little bit we made on PFC sales this past week (About 1.7 BTC if memory serves me right) is about 14% of the total we've made since we opened. Nearly a year ago. We can't afford to hire much staff, and most of the bills are paid for on my own personal credit card.

I say this not for pity or attention, but to emphasize the point that AllCrypt.com is a labor of love for me, personally. It kills me that we have a better exchange in terms of speed and features, but we're publicly called "shady", and we lose to other exchanges purely because they are bigger.

Anyway, I'm digressing. My point is posting baseless claims because you're mad is not cool. C-CEX very likely had bandwidth issues. AllCrypt had its biggest day ever topping 200 BTC total volume for 24 hours last week. C-CEX apparently topped 2,000. I don't know what our hardware would do under that sort of load. Truly. We've never hit it. And neither had they. So cut them some slack. Make accusations based off fact.

Now, as for PFC/hashprofit. I like playing crypto and cyber detective in my spare time. People have found and posted at least 2 of the PFC premine accounts, and the main one is easy enough to find. Look at Blocks 1 and 2.

Anyone who was paid out by hashprofit: Put your txid in blockchain.info... and go back. See if you find anything interesting. See if you find accounts with massive piles of BTC that you were paid from. See if you find accounts that took in massive withdrawals (30, 50, 100 BTC) where it was funded by 50, 80, 120 input addresses. Who has 120 input addresses with coins in them?

Exchanges do.

Check your accounts at AllCrypt and C-CEX. See if YOUR BTC address is in those lists. If it is - you know that TX was a payout from that exchange.

Which would confirm the PFC devs were selling tons of something - it could well be that it was coins that were SmartMined - they said they mined altcoins, sold for BTC, then paid out BTC. But 100 BTC a day? Likely not. And withdrawing it. And paying you with those proceeds.

I truly have no proof of anything, and if I did, honestly, I couldn't say. Its not my job as an exchange operator to pass judgement on what coin devs do. I know some will think me a heartless asshole for saying that, but I truly believe in personal choice and freedom, and wholeheartedly stand against someone else telling me what I can and cannot do - even if it's something stupid that will cost me money.

So no, we would not reveal info if we had it (Seriously, hand to god (or whatever you raise your hand to), I have no real concrete knowledge of anything, just hunches and hints). It would tarnish the integrity we try and maintain (regardless of a personal view that NOT saying something shows "no integrity". We mean our integrity as an exchange, to protect the identity of coin dev and coin trader alike, if they so choose).

That being said, I have zero problem pointing out public, well known facts that people who, if they stopped to think for a moment, should have figured out already, or not viewed through cash-colored glasses ("I know it looks 120% like a scam, but it MAY come back up on Jan 5th like they said... *fingers crossed*")

Poke around block explorers. See what you find. Make your own decision.

good advice and thanks for showing people how to find the sad truth themselves. there u go folks read between the lines . this comes from a senior trusted member  whose exchange has an untarnished record and exemplary respect from us

pfc going up again ??  how is this making sense ?

second leg of the scam


don t spend what you cant lose (setriously)

care to explain what is behind it, im here to learn aswell so .. ;)

ALSO: im totally out of btc to invest atm, but i think this might be a fast quick profit:

https://c-cex.com/?p=2015-btc   <- thank me for the tip, otherwise flame me if this is dumb :) and this is another "firehasher"

What happened to PFC exactly?
Why are you guys saying CCEX is involved?

Don't accuse people without concrete evidence.

The PFC devs and proprietors of HashProfit claim that their site was hacked and a major dump of the PFC currency followed. The timing and usage of AllCrypt and C-Cex along with the lack of information has many speculating but there is really not much to go on at the moment.

new message up at
http://www.hashprofit.com/en/
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We're resuming work of service in a protected mode today.

Despite all the warnings from service's administration many users have succumbed panic moods and have taken a number of actions which discredited and abused standard and full work of service.

Also attackers have succeeded in getting part of information about service's users and also, in small portions, their authorisation data.

All these deeds have led to big mining effectiveness reduction and many other negative effects.

Despite all that had happened, we're resuming all payments from today (2015-01-05) taking into account information and technical harm that our infrastructure suffered.

We've set a new mode and limitations of payments:

The first priority will get all the users who live in Russian Federation.
Payouts will take place once in a 14 days or more often, and if we'll have a good opportunity - once in 7 days.
Users who take some actions for project discrediting or any other doings that can potentially harm our service will get low priority of payments - up to the full payments restriction.
Our team has always understood all the risks about this project and by the process of growing it we've launched another number of similar services. In the most successful of them that we've launched 3.5 months ago we've taken into account all the experience we had while HP service grows. It's much more perfect and attractive for these points:

It's oriented to Eastern audience, because they generally more advanced and creditworthy.
Mechanism of payment using VISA and MasterCard realized.
There are web-cameras showing data centers work in real time.
More than 10 languages interface translations.
Modern, technical and light design of the site.
Hundreds of other features.
And this is only the most perfectly developed service, we have launched and we're testing more than 20 other types of services. All users showed their discretion and support from the start of our services will have their reward in the end.

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