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Title: A quick question
Post by: James J on December 30, 2014, 01:04:44 PM
If I invest in a SHA-256 Miner with a hash rate of 6THs that cost $3,500. When it first start it makes 24 dollars but day by the day the questions get harder. After running the miner for a few hundred days could it be that the questions are too hard and it will take too much power to solve an answer to make any profit?

Help?


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: Zawamiya on December 31, 2014, 12:26:16 PM
here is bitcoin mining calculator that can help you
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator

fill all the fields with your hardware details and calculate
you will able to know about how much time it will take you to get your invested money back and profit


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: Kearney52 on December 31, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
if you have the free electric power or low price? if not i suggest you'd better not mining


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: kpitti on December 31, 2014, 04:09:44 PM
If I invest in a SHA-256 Miner with a hash rate of 6THs that cost $3,500. When it first start it makes 24 dollars but day by the day the questions get harder. After running the miner for a few hundred days could it be that the questions are too hard and it will take too much power to solve an answer to make any profit?

Help?

It`s good idea to find more bitcoin mining calculators and check there possible income. Then stick with lowest one!
You can then decide if it`s worst to invest or not. But I would say not today.

Days when one can do home mining sucesfully and stay in black numbers are over  >:(


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: moko666 on December 31, 2014, 04:14:33 PM
i don't think you will be able to get your invested money with mining
better option is buy bitcoin with that price and hold it till it riseup
and make profit when its value rise,it will be more profitable then mining


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: DiabolusLoki on December 31, 2014, 05:56:09 PM
Once again: Do not bother mining ever with bitcoin.

Altcoins, maybe.


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: DannyHamilton on December 31, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
Step 1.
Recognize that mining for profit is simply an alternative method of purchasing bitcoins.  All the money that you spend on the equipment and on the electricity is for the sole purpose of acquiring bitcoins which you then hope to sell at an exchange rate that is higher than what you spent to acquire them.

Step 2.
Convert the costs into bitcoins so you can make a reasonable comparison.  If you spend $3500 on mining equipment, you could instead have purchased 11.01 BTC at an exchange rate of $318 per BTC.  This means, if you don't acquire AT LEAST 11.01 BTC, then you would obviously been better off just purchasing the bitcoins directly instead of mining for them. You'll want to do the same with any other costs you encounter (such as electricity costs).

Step 3.
Make a prediction about how quickly the difficulty will increase (or if you think it will stay the same, or decrease).

Step 4.
Use a mining calculator to see if your assumptions result in a better result than simply purchasing the bitcoins.

Here's an example.
$3500
6TH miner
Electricity usage: 1600 Watts
Electricity cost: $0.11 per kWh
Current exchange rate: $318
Difficulty increase: 10% every 14 days
Current Difficulty: 40,640,955,017
Mining pool fee: 2%


If the prediction of consistent 10% difficulty increase is accurate, you can expect gross revenue of approximately 2.095 BTC the first month, 1.537 BTC the second month, 1.381 BTC the third month, 1.074 BTC the fourth month, 0.8895 BTC the fifth month, and 0.6951 BTC the sixth month.

Meanwhile, if you are paying $0.11 per kWh for electricity, and if the exchange rate remains consistently around $318 per month, then you can expect to have to pay about 0.412 BTC or so per month in electricity.  This means, by the time you reach the 9th month, you will be spending more in electricity than you will be earning in bitcoins.

If we add up your revenue each month, and subtract out the cost of electricity we find that the total you'll earn before you start operating at a loss is about: 5.5 BTC

So, you can simply purchase 11 BTC today, or you can invest that money in mining equipment in the hopes of generating 5.5 BTC for yourself spread out over a time period of 9 months.

If you have any downtime at all (power outages, hardware failures, difficulty setting up and configuring, etc), then you'll generate even less.

Of course, these results change based on your particular situation.  If you have access to VERY cheap electricity, and if the difficulty doesn't increase as fast (or perhaps even decreases), then you might find that you'll be slightly better off by mining.

If you can get your electricity for only $0.08 per kWh, and you mine in a pool that only charges a 1% fee, and the difficulty only increases by 5% every 14 days, then you can mine about 12.7 BTC over the next 20 months before it costs more to keep the equipment running than it will generate.

That means, instead of purchasing 11 BTC today, you can invest that money in mining equipment in the hopes of generating 12.7 BTC for yourself spread out over a time period of 20 months.  That's an average profit of 0.085 BTC per month (assuming that you can keep the equipment running without interruption and that the predictions of difficulty increase and electricity cost are accurate).


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on December 31, 2014, 08:23:39 PM
@DannyHamilton
good answer  :)


short answer:

if you are new to bitcoin, dont mine BTC.


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: notlist3d on January 01, 2015, 01:17:55 AM
running the miner for a few hundred days

This is not very exact.   Best advice is have cheap electricity or find a place to host with cheap electricity.

Energy Efficiency at this point can be a important thing.   The more efficient per GH the longer you can run it.   


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: faeyza on January 01, 2015, 01:35:57 AM
cool  good luck with ur planning :)


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: Domino on January 01, 2015, 01:21:02 PM
You don't need to pay $3500 for 6 TH/s. For example, you can get 5 * Batch 3 Antminer S5 (1155GH/s * 5) for $2040 now (shipping 1 week later).

You just need to find the cheapest miners in the world, and calculate whether you can get a profit with it under your electricity price and predicted future difficulty. If the answer is a "no", you should just give up mining once and for all.


Title: Re: A quick question
Post by: LOBSTER on January 01, 2015, 01:22:42 PM
If I invest in a SHA-256 Miner with a hash rate of 6THs that cost $3,500. When it first start it makes 24 dollars but day by the day the questions get harder. After running the miner for a few hundred days could it be that the questions are too hard and it will take too much power to solve an answer to make any profit?

Help?

But if the price of the Bitcoin increases parallel to the difficulty you could earn 24$ / day also in one year :D