Title: Kinda scary fact (actually not that scary) Post by: kryptopojken on January 04, 2015, 04:42:55 AM Margin longs on bfx are still at about $20M
Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: Xiaoxiao on January 04, 2015, 04:54:30 AM then why is interest rate for usd so low still?
Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: kryptopojken on January 04, 2015, 04:57:23 AM then why is interest rate for usd so low still? I'm assuming supply of fiat is huge? Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: Xiaoxiao on January 04, 2015, 04:58:56 AM then why is interest rate for usd so low still? I'm assuming supply of fiat is huge? Fair enough. Do you know when these long positions were started? If it's fairly recently, I can understand why, but if it was throughout the year, then lol. Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: kryptopojken on January 04, 2015, 05:01:39 AM then why is interest rate for usd so low still? I'm assuming supply of fiat is huge? Fair enough. Do you know when these long positions were started? If it's fairly recently, I can understand why, but if it was throughout the year, then lol. It's actually been relatively steady since August. Last peak was first week of December at 25M...That's what bothers me, when did these positions open? Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: RyNinDaCleM on January 04, 2015, 05:42:02 AM https://i.imgur.com/Vh5pOhr.png
I estimate the risk at around $3M give or take a little. edit: The BTC swaps are in a dangerous predicament. Mainly that big spike near the low. A good bounce and we could be in for a ride. When fewcoins made all those claims about a short squeeze over the last couple of weeks, I did a similar analisys on BTC swaps and came to the conclusion there was only about 2300 BTC worth of risk at the time. Not much for a squeeze. Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: kryptopojken on January 04, 2015, 05:56:01 AM https://i.imgur.com/Vh5pOhr.png I estimate the risk at around $3M give or take a little. edit: The BTC swaps are in a dangerous predicament. Mainly that big spike near the low. A good bounce and we could be in for a ride. When fewcoins made all those claims about a short squeeze over the last couple of weeks, I did a similar analisys on BTC swaps and came to the conclusion there was only about 2300 BTC worth of risk at the time. Not much for a squeeze. Great post! Title: Re: Kinda scary fact (actually not that scary) Post by: BTCtrader71 on January 04, 2015, 06:01:21 AM https://i.imgur.com/Vh5pOhr.png I estimate the risk at around $3M give or take a little. edit: The BTC swaps are in a dangerous predicament. Mainly that big spike near the low. A good bounce and we could be in for a ride. When fewcoins made all those claims about a short squeeze over the last couple of weeks, I did a similar analisys on BTC swaps and came to the conclusion there was only about 2300 BTC worth of risk at the time. Not much for a squeeze. So does the dramatic recent spike in active BTC swaps create the opportunity for a manipulator to profit by triggering a short squeeze? EDIT: I guess you already answered my question, and the answer is yes, if I am following you correctly. (I'm not sure I know what you mean by '2300 BTC worth of risk'.) If so, then I am wondering: can we estimate how many $ it would take to trigger a squeeze, and estimate what the profit would be? Title: Re: Kinda scary fact (actually not that scary) Post by: TrollinU on January 04, 2015, 06:07:49 AM https://i.imgur.com/Vh5pOhr.png So does the dramatic recent spike in active BTC swaps create the opportunity for a manipulator to profit by triggering a short squeeze?I estimate the risk at around $3M give or take a little. edit: The BTC swaps are in a dangerous predicament. Mainly that big spike near the low. A good bounce and we could be in for a ride. When fewcoins made all those claims about a short squeeze over the last couple of weeks, I did a similar analisys on BTC swaps and came to the conclusion there was only about 2300 BTC worth of risk at the time. Not much for a squeeze. You guys are assholes. Is the price gonna go up or down? Since this kinda stuff couldn't be more obvious to even the most casual of observer, figure out the price on your own. Go on, chop chop ::) Title: Re: Kinda scary fact (actually not that scary) Post by: kryptopojken on January 04, 2015, 06:09:28 AM Lol agree
Title: Re: Kinda scary fact (actually not that scary) Post by: twiifm on January 04, 2015, 06:15:49 AM https://i.imgur.com/Vh5pOhr.png So does the dramatic recent spike in active BTC swaps create the opportunity for a manipulator to profit by triggering a short squeeze?I estimate the risk at around $3M give or take a little. edit: The BTC swaps are in a dangerous predicament. Mainly that big spike near the low. A good bounce and we could be in for a ride. When fewcoins made all those claims about a short squeeze over the last couple of weeks, I did a similar analisys on BTC swaps and came to the conclusion there was only about 2300 BTC worth of risk at the time. Not much for a squeeze. You guys are assholes. Is the price gonna go up or down? He's saying a sudden spike can trigger a short squeeze cause the BTC swap is high. USD swap is low or normal so no fear of margin call. This bear has to do your trading for you? Sheesh. I don't how accurate it is to analyze bitfinex. Are they a big exchange. Do they lead or follow? Title: Re: Kinda scary fact (actually not that scary) Post by: RyNinDaCleM on January 04, 2015, 06:41:24 AM [img] I estimate the risk at around $3M give or take a little. edit: The BTC swaps are in a dangerous predicament. Mainly that big spike near the low. A good bounce and we could be in for a ride. When fewcoins made all those claims about a short squeeze over the last couple of weeks, I did a similar analisys on BTC swaps and came to the conclusion there was only about 2300 BTC worth of risk at the time. Not much for a squeeze. So does the dramatic recent spike in active BTC swaps create the opportunity for a manipulator to profit by triggering a short squeeze? EDIT: I guess you already answered my question, and the answer is yes, if I am following you correctly. (I'm not sure I know what you mean by '2300 BTC worth of risk'.) If so, then I am wondering: can we estimate how many $ it would take to trigger a squeeze, and estimate what the profit would be? Well, that 2300 BTC of risk was about 2 weeks ago, so the whole picture has changed now. It would be hard to do such analysis as figuring a Dollar amount and price target based solely on that with such crude charts. Since much of that large spike is toward the lows in price, the squeeze risk is fairly high with a sudden change in direction. Exact numbers I don't have right now and it's late for me, so I'm not going to figure that out right now, sorry. :) By $x of risk, I mean the amount of funds that are somewhat in immediate danger. You have -12M at about the $500 mark. Since then we have +6M and -3M which leaves about $3M worth that are new since the $500 range which has been a while now. The new spike in USD swaps are (right now) a non issue because they won't get too red before the next bounce. Title: Re: Kinda scary fact (actually not that scary) Post by: twiifm on January 04, 2015, 07:04:22 AM https://i.imgur.com/Vh5pOhr.png So does the dramatic recent spike in active BTC swaps create the opportunity for a manipulator to profit by triggering a short squeeze?I estimate the risk at around $3M give or take a little. edit: The BTC swaps are in a dangerous predicament. Mainly that big spike near the low. A good bounce and we could be in for a ride. When fewcoins made all those claims about a short squeeze over the last couple of weeks, I did a similar analisys on BTC swaps and came to the conclusion there was only about 2300 BTC worth of risk at the time. Not much for a squeeze. Ok thanks for spelling it out, still doesn't help me. I don't understand how swaps work, not your problem, I have some learning to do. Awesome stuff tho, you guys who can understand it have my respect. Think of swap as a loan w interest. USD swap is longs borrow USD to buy BTC. BTC swaps are shorts borrowing BTC to short sell. Technically they are derivatives for hedging. If you long dollars, you sell swaps and collect interest to hedge moves against you. If you are long BTC you lend BTC for interest to hedge if price moves against you. If the price moves too far against swap holders direction they are forced to close their positions (margin called). The sudden tsunami of short covering causes a short squeeze. A tsunami of long positions getting margin called creates a flash crash Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: applesRyummy on January 04, 2015, 07:06:53 PM then why is interest rate for usd so low still? I'm assuming supply of fiat is huge? Fair enough. Do you know when these long positions were started? If it's fairly recently, I can understand why, but if it was throughout the year, then lol. It's actually been relatively steady since August. Last peak was first week of December at 25M...That's what bothers me, when did these positions open? Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: RyNinDaCleM on January 04, 2015, 07:22:38 PM then why is interest rate for usd so low still? I'm assuming supply of fiat is huge? Fair enough. Do you know when these long positions were started? If it's fairly recently, I can understand why, but if it was throughout the year, then lol. It's actually been relatively steady since August. Last peak was first week of December at 25M...That's what bothers me, when did these positions open? That is what is known as a margin call. ;) That is one step before forced liquidation. Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: applesRyummy on January 05, 2015, 12:13:01 AM then why is interest rate for usd so low still? I'm assuming supply of fiat is huge? Fair enough. Do you know when these long positions were started? If it's fairly recently, I can understand why, but if it was throughout the year, then lol. It's actually been relatively steady since August. Last peak was first week of December at 25M...That's what bothers me, when did these positions open? That is what is known as a margin call. ;) That is one step before forced liquidation. Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: RyNinDaCleM on January 05, 2015, 01:52:02 AM then why is interest rate for usd so low still? I'm assuming supply of fiat is huge? Fair enough. Do you know when these long positions were started? If it's fairly recently, I can understand why, but if it was throughout the year, then lol. It's actually been relatively steady since August. Last peak was first week of December at 25M...That's what bothers me, when did these positions open? That is what is known as a margin call. ;) That is one step before forced liquidation. Hmm, that's strange. I've never seen anything like that then. The only warning I've ever had was when I had a margin call. They have changed the way things work there 2 or 3 times since then so this may actually be something new. :-\ Sorry, I guess I misunderstood what you were asking. Title: Re: Kinda scary fact Post by: applesRyummy on January 05, 2015, 01:57:48 AM then why is interest rate for usd so low still? I'm assuming supply of fiat is huge? Fair enough. Do you know when these long positions were started? If it's fairly recently, I can understand why, but if it was throughout the year, then lol. It's actually been relatively steady since August. Last peak was first week of December at 25M...That's what bothers me, when did these positions open? That is what is known as a margin call. ;) That is one step before forced liquidation. Hmm, that's strange. I've never seen anything like that then. The only warning I've ever had was when I had a margin call. They have changed the way things work there 2 or 3 times since then so this may actually be something new. :-\ Sorry, I guess I misunderstood what you were asking. |