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Title: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: TheIrishman on January 04, 2015, 05:46:00 AM http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Travel/Pix/pictures/2015/1/2/1420224882739/Google-Beijing-011.jpg
Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/04/internet-freedom-china-russia-us-google-microsoft-digital-sovereignty (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/04/internet-freedom-china-russia-us-google-microsoft-digital-sovereignty) << Beijing and Moscow are rightly chastised for restricting their citizens’ online access – but it's the US that is now even more aggressive in asserting its digital sovereignty. >> Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: --Encrypted-- on January 04, 2015, 06:53:49 AM I have to say that China and Russia is the worst. not only they restrict access from the outside, but inside as well.
we all know about US "digital sovereignty", I don't think it matters really. we're lucky that US gives so much freedom compared to other countries Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: criptix on January 04, 2015, 07:23:41 AM I have to say that China and Russia is the worst. not only they restrict access from the outside, but inside as well. we all know about US "digital sovereignty", I don't think it matters really. we're lucky that US gives so much freedom compared to other countries the state of the US is pretty sad nowadays :'( Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Agestorzrxx on January 04, 2015, 10:03:53 AM I have to say that China and Russia is the worst. not only they restrict access from the outside, but inside as well. No, China is the worst, no country can compare it.we all know about US "digital sovereignty", I don't think it matters really. we're lucky that US gives so much freedom compared to other countries Chinese people can't use facebook, twitter, google, gmail, youtube, etc. Any website which can talk free was blocked by the government. Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Lethn on January 04, 2015, 10:19:13 AM All three imperialist empire builders are a threat to our freedom, don't make the mistake of fooling yourself into thinking there is a lesser of two evils here, you can't compromise on freedom of speech and expression, which is why I don't allow myself to be taken in by a two party Democracy.
Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 04, 2015, 11:22:22 AM All of the above, seems like any large organized government is the enemy of the internet. Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: umairsaleem on January 04, 2015, 11:59:48 AM I would say China , they ban whatever they want ,keep their people away from these information.
Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: fsb4000 on January 04, 2015, 01:17:26 PM Who's the true enemy of internet freedom?
right answer: Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook... Your opinion is manipulated. People have forgotten how to think independently. Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: --Encrypted-- on January 04, 2015, 01:30:40 PM Who's the true enemy of internet freedom? right answer: Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook... Your opinion is manipulated. People have forgotten how to think independently. what? those companies (except maybe Apple) have search engines that allows us to get all kind of information from the internet. face it, without google, bing, or facebook, most people will find it hard to find anything on the net Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: fsb4000 on January 04, 2015, 03:13:55 PM Who's the true enemy of internet freedom? right answer: Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook... Your opinion is manipulated. People have forgotten how to think independently. what? those companies (except maybe Apple) have search engines that allows us to get all kind of information from the internet. face it, without google, bing, or facebook, most people will find it hard to find anything on the net Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: sase007 on January 04, 2015, 03:15:32 PM Russia, Iraq, North Korea, Hungary and China clearly (and more ofc.)
Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Shattered on January 05, 2015, 01:21:13 AM Speaking of google, I saw a documentary about them illegally scanning thousands of paperback books from all over the world in an effort to provide a virtual electronic HUB of information.
It was very eye opening, check it out if your into stuff like that... As far as China's anti freedom stance regarding the internet, it makes sense considering how society functions in that country. Free thinking isnt encouraged, rather group think is the norm. Everything is structured around group think over there, where as in the US we have a me-me-me mentality. After all, whats the point of facebook? To show everyone what YOU are doing? To brag? Why would anyone in their right mind want to post private info about every detail of their life online? I think that if China opened access to facebook tomorrow, way less people would sign up and start over exposing themselves than you may think... Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Leeroy Jenkins on January 05, 2015, 01:40:40 AM Why does this question seem like any of the three options are mutually exclusive? And I don't think the individual citizens themselves of the various countries in question necessarily like the actions undertaken by their respective governments which are often influenced by other economic, political, ideological factors.
Not sure why the United Kingdom wasn't included in the question (think of GHCQ), anyway. Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Chef Ramsay on January 05, 2015, 01:48:53 AM As long as these govts have state-sponsored media or that which is owned by and large by a govt-media-banker-military industrial complex outfit, the super-majority of the citizens will get their "news" by these outlets and will have a skewed view of reality or directed in different directions at the time when the real problems are unfolding.
Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: twister on January 05, 2015, 03:29:16 AM I say China. They recently banned Gmail and they basically restrict all their media to display only the stuff they allow. But then again they're not a Democratic country and can do whatever they want.
Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Inotanewbie on January 05, 2015, 03:48:57 AM As long as these govts have state-sponsored media or that which is owned by and large by a govt-media-banker-military industrial complex outfit, the super-majority of the citizens will get their "news" by these outlets and will have a skewed view of reality or directed in different directions at the time when the real problems are unfolding. There are still other, less reputable news organizations in both China and Russia (the US has them too but the MSM in the US is more willing to report what is actually going on in the country and the world). Although they do have trouble getting their word out and there are a lot of them so most people of those countries do not know which of them they should believe Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Enzyme on January 05, 2015, 03:53:59 AM Who's the true enemy of internet freedom? right answer: Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook... Your opinion is manipulated. People have forgotten how to think independently. what? those companies (except maybe Apple) have search engines that allows us to get all kind of information from the internet. face it, without google, bing, or facebook, most people will find it hard to find anything on the net Google are all about 'freedom'. The only time they will remove something from search results is if it's life threatening. Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Enzyme on January 05, 2015, 03:54:59 AM And you guys think China is bad? Go to North Korea.
Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Agestorzrxx on January 05, 2015, 04:26:02 AM And you guys think China is bad? Go to North Korea. North Korea is bad, it doesn't mean China is good. right?Title: Re: Who's the true enemy of internet freedom - China, Russia, or the US? Post by: Snail2 on January 05, 2015, 03:00:47 PM Don't be naive. Every state is enemy of free speech and freedom of Internet. The more money, power and tools they have makes them the more dangerous enemies of privacy and freedom.
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