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Title: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 04, 2015, 07:49:39 AM
they are really something in California

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113235/bitcoin-becomes-legal-tender-for-transactions-in-california

California Governor Approves Bitcoin for Transactions:

Bitcoin can be accepted and used for transactions in the US state of California as of yesterday, following the ratification of a new finance bill. Previously, only US Dollars were officially recognized, but the new bill allows for the use of other national and digital currencies.

Among a raft of new legislation coming into force for 2015 in California is the bill AB129 passed by Governor Jerry Brown in mid-2014. Aimed at ending a prohibition against using any alternative to US dollars for commerce in the state, the bill recognizes and permits the use of alternate currencies for transactions, including digital currencies such as Bitcoin, at the legislative level.



Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: xcapator on January 04, 2015, 08:21:27 AM
California makes btc legal tender, that's a step forward. california and new york are usually the 1st to adopt such large ideas.

Bitcoin is legal tender in California and it's going down? no, this makes no freaking sense, I am holding my coins


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 04, 2015, 08:26:19 AM
California makes btc legal tender, that's a step forward. california and new york are usually the 1st to adopt such large ideas.

Bitcoin is legal tender in California and it's going down? no, this makes no freaking sense, I am holding my coins

most people watching this ludicrous price drop realize the exchanges will just move the price up like a slider as soon

as REAL buy orders start flooding in for cheap coin,


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: Vessko on January 04, 2015, 10:43:30 AM
Whoever wrote this ridiculous title has no clue what "legal tender" is.

No, California didn't make Bitcoin legal tender. (I don't think that a state has the power to mandate that anything but US dollars, gold or silver is legal tender, and only very few states have mandated it about gold and silver, but I could be wrong on that; US Constitutional law is not my field of expertise.) California just decided to officially allow voluntary business transactions in Bitcoin.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: newIndia on January 04, 2015, 10:49:12 AM
they are really something in California

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113235/bitcoin-becomes-legal-tender-for-transactions-in-california

California Governor Approves Bitcoin for Transactions:

Bitcoin can be accepted and used for transactions in the US state of California as of yesterday, following the ratification of a new finance bill. Previously, only US Dollars were officially recognized, but the new bill allows for the use of other national and digital currencies.

Among a raft of new legislation coming into force for 2015 in California is the bill AB129 passed by Governor Jerry Brown in mid-2014. Aimed at ending a prohibition against using any alternative to US dollars for commerce in the state, the bill recognizes and permits the use of alternate currencies for transactions, including digital currencies such as Bitcoin, at the legislative level.



Funny joke. A state can not make a decentralized digital currency a legal tender. California is just allowing bitcoin transaction and that is a good step forward.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 04, 2015, 10:50:44 AM

Good news, the state by state regulating strategy is working and its not time/money consuming at all  ::)


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: FallingKnife on January 04, 2015, 04:32:31 PM

Good news, the state by state regulating strategy is working and its not time/money consuming at all  ::)
Yes.  50 states + DC all regulating. What could possibly go wrong?


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: pereira4 on January 04, 2015, 04:46:51 PM
Weed then BTC, Cali is always ahead of its own time


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: SirChiko on January 04, 2015, 05:18:55 PM
Weed then BTC, Cali is always ahead of its own time
hehe atleast i'm not an alone toker here.
good step california, let's see how other states and value will rise.
fk these traders that started to dump on good news, dammit guys...


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: crazyearner on January 06, 2015, 12:31:35 AM
they are really something in California

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113235/bitcoin-becomes-legal-tender-for-transactions-in-california

California Governor Approves Bitcoin for Transactions:

Bitcoin can be accepted and used for transactions in the US state of California as of yesterday, following the ratification of a new finance bill. Previously, only US Dollars were officially recognized, but the new bill allows for the use of other national and digital currencies.

Among a raft of new legislation coming into force for 2015 in California is the bill AB129 passed by Governor Jerry Brown in mid-2014. Aimed at ending a prohibition against using any alternative to US dollars for commerce in the state, the bill recognizes and permits the use of alternate currencies for transactions, including digital currencies such as Bitcoin, at the legislative level.



Funny joke. A state can not make a decentralized digital currency a legal tender. California is just allowing bitcoin transaction and that is a good step forward.

ever way making legal tender or not an actual state allowing to use Bitcoin and to do business with is a good leap forward in the right direction of more business picking it up adopting it and more people seeing the logo and wondering what it is all about and no doubt, the more people see it and start to think about it and begin to use it the better it will get.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: NeuroticFish on January 06, 2015, 11:58:17 AM
"Legal tender" is obviously bad wording.
But California made a great thing and it's a great step forward for BTC.

Just... don't expect the price get to 1000$ because of this, mkay? :)


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: grendel25 on January 17, 2015, 06:28:50 AM
Our btc is growing up.  Wont' be long before btc is common place as a means of payment.  I look forward to the day when PayPal is second fiddle to btc methods of payment.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: seabass1985 on January 17, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
this might be the right or wrong step in the right direction. The wrong being a tax on bitcoin and more regulation.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: NewLiberty on January 30, 2015, 07:01:28 AM
"Legal tender" is obviously bad wording.
But California made a great thing and it's a great step forward for BTC.

Just... don't expect the price get to 1000$ because of this, mkay? :)

"Legal Tender" would be a BAD thing.  (It forces acceptance) 
California Law makes Bitcoin "Lawful Money" which is a GOOD thing. (It allows acceptance)

California is unusual in that it had a really stupid law previously that made all sorts of commerce in the state illegal if it wasn't conducted with US Dollars.   This new law fixed that, more or less.  Most places do not have as many stupid laws as California and have no need of such fixing.
So it is good, but not great and other places need not follow in order to be in the same situation.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: crazyearner on February 21, 2015, 08:45:59 PM
"Legal tender" is obviously bad wording.
But California made a great thing and it's a great step forward for BTC.

Just... don't expect the price get to 1000$ because of this, mkay? :)

"Legal Tender" would be a BAD thing.  (It forces acceptance) 
California Law makes Bitcoin "Lawful Money" which is a GOOD thing. (It allows acceptance)

California is unusual in that it had a really stupid law previously that made all sorts of commerce in the state illegal if it wasn't conducted with US Dollars.   This new law fixed that, more or less.  Most places do not have as many stupid laws as California and have no need of such fixing.
So it is good, but not great and other places need not follow in order to be in the same situation.


well at least it is a step in the right direction to in some ways and other ways not good but same time making it legal and accepted it will get widely noticed more as its something that they ruled in and more of the public in California am sure will begin to find out about it as more company's start to use it and get rid off stupidly high fees though the backs and exchanges if doing over seas transactions


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: NewLiberty on February 25, 2015, 05:40:28 AM
"Legal tender" is obviously bad wording.
But California made a great thing and it's a great step forward for BTC.

Just... don't expect the price get to 1000$ because of this, mkay? :)

"Legal Tender" would be a BAD thing.  (It forces acceptance) 
California Law makes Bitcoin "Lawful Money" which is a GOOD thing. (It allows acceptance)

California is unusual in that it had a really stupid law previously that made all sorts of commerce in the state illegal if it wasn't conducted with US Dollars.   This new law fixed that, more or less.  Most places do not have as many stupid laws as California and have no need of such fixing.
So it is good, but not great and other places need not follow in order to be in the same situation.


well at least it is a step in the right direction to in some ways and other ways not good but same time making it legal and accepted it will get widely noticed more as its something that they ruled in and more of the public in California am sure will begin to find out about it as more company's start to use it and get rid off stupidly high fees though the backs and exchanges if doing over seas transactions

It is sometimes astounding how much a legislative body can become less stupid by removing one of its laws against normal exchanges between consenting adults that hurts no one.  This one was low hanging fruit, because it was outlawing Coinbase.com and much of CA's FinTech unintentionally.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: Hamuki on February 26, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
Its the first step of many, lets see of other states follow and will make BTC appear more in public! :)


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: freedomno1 on February 26, 2015, 06:25:58 PM
That's another step forward for the economy
It's good to hear alternative currencies are now legal for transaction in California, even if there is no legal obligation for their acceptance in transactions.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: GreenStox on March 29, 2015, 02:10:28 AM
Weed then BTC, Cali is always ahead of its own time
hehe atleast i'm not an alone toker here.
good step california, let's see how other states and value will rise.
fk these traders that started to dump on good news, dammit guys...

Because its not good news, now the hydra has more control over bitcoin and it could pose serious threats to it.

All this regulation BS will just make it harder and harder for people to trade freely and eventually they will create severe capital controls.

I dont know if its a good idea to cheer about this


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: b!z on March 29, 2015, 07:34:06 AM
This is a misleading title. California did not make bitcoin legal tender.

Legal tender means that you're obligated to accept it from someone who owes you money.

Bank notes and coins are legal tender. Credit cards are not. Bitcoin is not.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: sirslayer on March 29, 2015, 11:02:46 PM
hummmm i live in california and this is news to me...


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: GreenStox on March 30, 2015, 04:06:55 AM
hummmm i live in california and this is news to me...

I`m not sure what legal tender means but in my country stuff like gold and silver is a commodity, and only the local currency is allowed.

So bitcoin is kind of a new thing everywhere.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: zetaray on March 30, 2015, 10:10:22 AM
The bill enables businesses to accept currencies other than US dollars as payment. This includes foreign currencies and cryptos. This is not legal tender. Legal tender means shops are legally required to accept other currencies. This is not the case.


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Lawful Money
Post by: NewLiberty on March 31, 2015, 05:04:51 PM
The bill enables businesses to accept currencies other than US dollars as payment. This includes foreign currencies and cryptos. This is not legal tender. Legal tender means shops are legally required to accept other currencies. This is not the case.

The Bill made it "Lawful Money" not legal tender.  As you have said, the difference is vast.
California in our predilection for totalitarianism had unique legal environment in the USA that forbids all trade unless it uses lawful money.

So this legal stupidity has been repealed and replaced with slightly less stupid laws.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB129


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: hingleMC on March 31, 2015, 08:36:09 PM
now that the government says so

I shall now begin, for the first time ever,

thinking of bitcoin as currency


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: Mikestang on March 31, 2015, 09:45:24 PM
hummmm i live in california and this is news to me...

Me too, first I've seen of this.  Time to read up and see how it got past me!


Title: Re: California makes Bitcoin Legal Tender
Post by: bitcoinlist on April 23, 2015, 08:26:38 PM
Weed then BTC, Cali is always ahead of its own time

Actually Colorado and Washington are ahead of California in terms of weed.  California still doesn't allow recreational use of it, you still need a red card.