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Title: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 09:05:01 PM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: matt4054 on January 11, 2015, 09:10:43 PM As discussed on the 'New forum software' board:
I've thought about that before, but I think that there might be legal problems with that. It might make the forum a "money transmitter". AFAIK Theymos didn't specifically comment about using ChangeTip itself though (to avoid the money transmitter issue) Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: Transisto on January 11, 2015, 09:53:30 PM I would like the money I donated to the forum go toward something like this.
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 10:08:10 PM As discussed on the 'New forum software' board:
I've thought about that before, but I think that there might be legal problems with that. It might make the forum a "money transmitter". AFAIK Theymos didn't specifically comment about using ChangeTip itself though (to avoid the money transmitter issue) It'd be nice to get a solid answer if there's any truth to the money transmitter theory. But yeah clearly a third party solution would not be effected Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BTCreward on January 11, 2015, 10:41:01 PM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.In case you were wondering how the scams work: -user A makes a "good" post/point -user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt) -user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous -user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B) This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 10:53:21 PM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.In case you were wondering how the scams work: -user A makes a "good" post/point -user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt) -user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous -user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B) This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past This is general debate against micro tipping. Yes that will yield some evils (e.g. more spam, beggers etc...) but i still think that its upside outweighs its downfalls. Micro tipping is one of BTC current practical use cases. If some bad players will try to abuse it is no reason to abandonment. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: matt4054 on January 11, 2015, 11:07:02 PM This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past I don't want to be off-topic or controversial, but IMHO allowing paid signature campaigns already generates much more spam and shitty posts than the tipping incentive would. As DaRude says, tipping is a nice feature and practical use of Bitcoin, and abuse should be dealt with the usual way by moderators. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BTCreward on January 12, 2015, 01:11:00 AM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.In case you were wondering how the scams work: -user A makes a "good" post/point -user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt) -user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous -user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B) This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past This is general debate against micro tipping. Yes that will yield some evils (e.g. more spam, beggers etc...) but i still think that its upside outweighs its downfalls. Micro tipping is one of BTC current practical use cases. If some bad players will try to abuse it is no reason to abandonment. Granted this would not be an "off chain" tip that most tipping services use, however it would still get the job done (and it would be somewhat more expensive to spend the bitcoin you send me but it is after all a tip so that doesn't matter) Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: Malin Keshar on January 12, 2015, 01:15:57 AM This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past I don't want to be off-topic or controversial, but IMHO allowing paid signature campaigns already generates much more spam and shitty posts than the tipping incentive would. As DaRude says, tipping is a nice feature and practical use of Bitcoin, and abuse should be dealt with the usual way by moderators. Generates spam maybe, but not another way to scam and not bigger incentive for begging, even from newbies and lower ranks. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: TheButterZone on January 12, 2015, 01:28:48 AM With new avatars disabled for security, maybe everyone could be given the option to throw their donation address QR code up as their avatar (generated by the forum, not user-uploaded) and have the avatar hyperlink to bitcoin:1theiraddressetc to cover both mobile and desktop wallets.
A different forum could have a gribble-esque OTP-based login (http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication), where people sign the OTP with their private key (which would discourage people only keeping BTC on exchanges to be "hacked", since you can't sign messages with exchange-controlled private keys). Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 12, 2015, 01:54:11 AM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums You do know you can put your address in your Bitcointalk profile or in your signature. (I notice you don't have yours on either) I don't understand why retards need their hand held sending 16 cents to some other retard. ::) Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 12, 2015, 01:56:07 AM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.In case you were wondering how the scams work: -user A makes a "good" post/point -user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt) -user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous -user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B) This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past This is general debate against micro tipping. Yes that will yield some evils (e.g. more spam, beggers etc...) but i still think that its upside outweighs its downfalls. Micro tipping is one of BTC current practical use cases. If some bad players will try to abuse it is no reason to abandonment. Granted this would not be an "off chain" tip that most tipping services use, however it would still get the job done (and it would be somewhat more expensive to spend the bitcoin you send me but it is after all a tip so that doesn't matter) Sure and i could also PM you and ask for your BTC address, internet existed before webbrowsers, and phones before iPhone, but ... I think the point here is a prove of concept and expose is to wide adoption (meaning being user friendly) as much as to encourage quality posts. If btc forum can't integrate user friendly BTC tipping, you really expect other forums adopting it? Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 12, 2015, 01:57:52 AM If btc forum can't integrate user friendly BTC tipping, you really expect other forums adopting it? No one should... it's a total waste of time, resources and requires addition unneeded trust. Copy, paste and send like normal fucking humans! *pulls hair out* A lot of the Bitcoiners in the lime light sound like fucking Dogecoiners with this tipping shit. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 12, 2015, 02:06:42 AM If btc forum can't integrate user friendly BTC tipping, you really expect other forums adopting it? No one should... it's a total waste of time, resources and requires addition unneeded trust. Copy, paste and send like normal fucking humans! *pulls hair out* A lot of the Bitcoiners in the lime light sound like fucking Dogecoiners with this tipping shit. Because i think that tipping/micro transactions are actually one of BTC (err crypto currency) use cases that makes sense and where it has no competition. I think BTC forum could be a great proof of concept platform case. I think it's useless to argue how user friendly your solution is for wide adoption. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: dogie on January 12, 2015, 02:48:51 AM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums You do know you can put your address in your Bitcointalk profile or in your signature. (I notice you don't have yours on either) I don't understand why retards need their hand held sending 16 cents to some other retard. ::) I think the point is so people can publicly show their appreciation. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 12, 2015, 03:02:38 AM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums You do know you can put your address in your Bitcointalk profile or in your signature. (I notice you don't have yours on either) I don't understand why retards need their hand held sending 16 cents to some other retard. ::) I think the point is so people can publicly show their appreciation. Isn't that what a public block chain and posting a txid is for. People are pushing these services cause they are making these services to skim coins away from people who could do the same damn thing for near free. Rather than educating folks on how to actually use the shit... it's far more profitable to have a dipshit user base who gives it to you for nothing. It's just kinda funny the folks complain about no tip services don't even have a signature or a bitcoin address in their profile. "Why don't I get any tips?! :'(" Hmmmm I wonder... Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 12, 2015, 03:09:21 AM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums You do know you can put your address in your Bitcointalk profile or in your signature. (I notice you don't have yours on either) I don't understand why retards need their hand held sending 16 cents to some other retard. ::) I think the point is so people can publicly show their appreciation. Isn't that what a public block chain and posting a txid is for. People are pushing these services cause they are making these services to skim coins away from people who could do the same damn thing for near free. Rather than educating folks on how to actually use the shit... it's far more profitable to have a dipshit user base who gives it to you for nothing. It's just kinda funny the folks complain about no tip services don't even have a signature or a bitcoin address in their profile. "Why don't I get any tips?! :'(" Hmmmm I wonder... Well you seem to completely miss the point. And if the quote is in regards to me, i'm not asking for any tips, nor do i run ads in my signature as you've noticed. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: siameze on January 12, 2015, 03:18:42 AM If btc forum can't integrate user friendly BTC tipping, you really expect other forums adopting it? No one should... it's a total waste of time, resources and requires addition unneeded trust. Copy, paste and send like normal fucking humans! *pulls hair out* A lot of the Bitcoiners in the lime light sound like fucking Dogecoiners with this tipping shit. This is literally all you hear on reddit, and associated drama between reddcoin which hates both doge AND changetip. For my part I don't need a fancy (and most likely insecure) browser extension to tip people with. If I want to send someone a donation they can simply post a clean address. Voila! Decentralized tipping. I imagine too that there would be no end of butthurt from the altcoin crowd here if their coins weren't implemented to tip too. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: TheButterZone on January 12, 2015, 03:27:54 AM On the forum profile information page here, you enter your Bitcoin address, but it doesn't get converted to a bitcoin: hyperlink like the instant messenger handles do. Just that would enable easier tipping for desktop wallets.
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: siameze on January 12, 2015, 04:09:35 AM You can do it like this, but only in posts afaik: BTC Tip Me BTC (bitcoin:14Qm9FLiM4oe5yEEvqCsPmTTQw69Qt69kP)
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 12, 2015, 04:21:24 AM Well you seem to completely miss the point. And if the quote is in regards to me, i'm not asking for any tips, nor do i run ads in my signature as you've noticed. I've missed the point eh? You're not supposed to ask for tips... it just kinda happens. Because i think that tipping/micro transactions are actually one of BTC (err crypto currency) use cases that makes sense and where it has no competition. If you think tipping is so great then why aren't you actively encouraging it yourself? If you want everyone to be able to be tipped, then you should start by making yourself tipable here. This is literally all you hear on reddit... Reddits gay... I could count the number of fucks I care about Reddit on one hand (zero) :) If I was a gambling man I'd put money saying the OP is a Redditor. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 12, 2015, 05:37:27 AM Huh ???
First you tell me i'm not suppose to ask for tips its just happens then assuming that i don't actively encourage it because i don't receive tips, then claiming i'm a Redditor? For the record i'm not. But you seem to have issues following a conversation ::) so go bug someone else ... I've missed the point eh? You're not supposed to ask for tips... it just kinda happens. ... If you think tipping is so great then why aren't you actively encouraging it yourself? If you want everyone to be able to be tipped, then you should start by making yourself tipable here. ... Reddits gay... I could count the number of fucks I care about Reddit on one hand (zero) :) If I was a gambling man I'd put money saying the OP is a Redditor. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 12, 2015, 06:56:44 AM Huh ??? First you tell me i'm not suppose to ask for tips its just happens then assuming that i don't actively encourage it because i don't receive tips, then claiming i'm a Redditor? For the record i'm not. But you seem to have issues following a conversation ::) so go bug someone else Just saying I find it ironic that you find micro tips so important to bitcoin, but you don't have your account integrated for tipping. ::) Be the change you want to see... don't just cry about the way shit currently is. Bitcoin doesn't need a third party to help dipshits send micro transactions to each other is all I'm saying. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: hilariousandco on January 12, 2015, 07:07:33 AM As discussed on the 'New forum software' board:
I've thought about that before, but I think that there might be legal problems with that. It might make the forum a "money transmitter". AFAIK Theymos didn't specifically comment about using ChangeTip itself though (to avoid the money transmitter issue) It'd be nice to get a solid answer if there's any truth to the money transmitter theory. But yeah clearly a third party solution would not be effected An internal tipping system could lead to these issues (and others if funds are ever stolen or the forum is hacked etc), but there shouldn't be any issues with adding a third party like ChangeTip especially when YouTube & Reddit etc have them. I would like to see it added if it's not too much hassle or doesn't cause other problems. Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.In case you were wondering how the scams work: -user A makes a "good" post/point -user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt) -user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous -user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B) This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past This is general debate against micro tipping. Yes that will yield some evils (e.g. more spam, beggers etc...) but i still think that its upside outweighs its downfalls. Micro tipping is one of BTC current practical use cases. If some bad players will try to abuse it is no reason to abandonment. I don't think begging spam would increase much but those posts will be deleted pretty quickly like regular begging requests and persistent beggars banned. I also agree the positives likely outweigh the negatives and would hopefully encourage and reward quality contributions and discussions. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 12, 2015, 11:55:31 PM As discussed on the 'New forum software' board:
I've thought about that before, but I think that there might be legal problems with that. It might make the forum a "money transmitter". AFAIK Theymos didn't specifically comment about using ChangeTip itself though (to avoid the money transmitter issue) It'd be nice to get a solid answer if there's any truth to the money transmitter theory. But yeah clearly a third party solution would not be effected An internal tipping system could lead to these issues (and others if funds are ever stolen or the forum is hacked etc), but there shouldn't be any issues with adding a third party like ChangeTip especially when YouTube & Reddit etc have them. I would like to see it added if it's not too much hassle or doesn't cause other problems. Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.In case you were wondering how the scams work: -user A makes a "good" post/point -user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt) -user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous -user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B) This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past This is general debate against micro tipping. Yes that will yield some evils (e.g. more spam, beggers etc...) but i still think that its upside outweighs its downfalls. Micro tipping is one of BTC current practical use cases. If some bad players will try to abuse it is no reason to abandonment. I don't think begging spam would increase much but those posts will be deleted pretty quickly like regular begging requests and persistent beggars banned. I also agree the positives likely outweigh the negatives and would hopefully encourage and reward quality contributions and discussions. Ok i can see the liability issue with holding coins, but yeah seems that consensus is pro some sort of 3rd party solution Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: deluxeCITY on January 13, 2015, 04:40:31 AM Sure and i could also PM you and ask for your BTC address, internet existed before webbrowsers, and phones before iPhone, but ... Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post. I think the point here is a prove of concept and expose is to wide adoption (meaning being user friendly) as much as to encourage quality posts. If btc forum can't integrate user friendly BTC tipping, you really expect other forums adopting it? As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: hilariousandco on January 13, 2015, 04:55:11 AM Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post. As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: TheButterZone on January 13, 2015, 05:21:20 AM Which is why addresses in profiles should be converted to bitcoin: hyperlinks and QR codes, no copy-pasta needed.
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: deluxeCITY on January 13, 2015, 05:26:13 AM Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post. As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation. Which is why addresses in profiles should be converted to bitcoin: hyperlinks and QR codes, no copy-pasta needed. I think there was some kind of vulnerability a while back for people who had used "bitcoin:" links over a short period Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 05:51:09 AM Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post. As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation. The tipping would just be for novelty. The reason it is popular on reddit is because it introduced people to Bitcoin that had never heard of it before. Everyone on this forum has heard about it so not much point. I could see some uses for it in the Gambling section for games and sports picks though. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: TheButterZone on January 13, 2015, 06:01:21 AM Which is why addresses in profiles should be converted to bitcoin: hyperlinks and QR codes, no copy-pasta needed. I think there was some kind of vulnerability a while back for people who had used "bitcoin:" links over a short period https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0021.mediawiki Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: hilariousandco on January 13, 2015, 07:26:34 AM There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money. Most people won't care that much about keeping a tiny amount of btc with a third party to tip, but if they do then those people just wouldn't likely be interested in using it anyway (also sometimes it's just not possible to control your keys eg on an exchange). I'd certainly tip people if it was implemented but I'm not going to log into my wallet every time to do so just to send a bit of dust. The transaction fees wouldn't be worth it and that's where microtipping comes in. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 15, 2015, 04:58:52 AM There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money. Most people won't care that much about keeping a tiny amount of btc with a third party to tip, but if they do then those people just wouldn't likely be interested in using it anyway (also sometimes it's just not possible to control your keys eg on an exchange). I'd certainly tip people if it was implemented but I'm not going to log into my wallet every time to do so just to send a bit of dust. The transaction fees wouldn't be worth it and that's where microtipping comes in. Yeah that ^ Keeping 100% of your keys is extreme. I guess there are some people who keep all their money in cash under the pillow. But guessing the majority keep most in a bank/invested some in their wallets and some change in the car. So keep majority in cold storage some on your phone/hot wallet and maybe few bucks for tips etc... I'm not firing up my wallet and copying pasting address to tip a buck Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: gogxmagog on January 17, 2015, 01:09:29 AM If you are here, I would assume you are into bitcoin and learning how to use it. put your receiving address in your sig, at least have one on your profile page. Anyone with btc can send you some love directly from their wallet. Things like changetip are for n00bs and people who have no knowledge of how bitcoin works and is really meant for platforms where you don't know who will come across your content. Its made to facilitate and introduce btc. Is redundant here.
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 17, 2015, 03:15:33 AM If you are here, I would assume you are into bitcoin and learning how to use it. put your receiving address in your sig, at least have one on your profile page. Anyone with btc can send you some love directly from their wallet. Things like changetip are for n00bs and people who have no knowledge of how bitcoin works and is really meant for platforms where you don't know who will come across your content. Its made to facilitate and introduce btc. Is redundant here. So you're saying tipping should just be exploited to introduce new users but is not actually useful as a service? If so i'll have to disagree. As having alternatives in place yes i agree, i can look it up in profile, i can also ask you for your address in PM, and instead of this forum we can write letters to each other... Would i ever do it probably not, would i click a button for insightful analysis and a good post, probably. All arguments so far seem to fall into: 1-You already have a way to do it so why simplify make it user friendly. 2-Cons outweigh the pros (spam beggers etc...) Which both i disagree with. Would love to see BTC as a standard tipping feature on all forums (sort of like saying Thanks for a post on some platforms). Sure some platforms might benefit more than others (thinking of stackexchange etc...) but still Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: gogxmagog on January 17, 2015, 04:20:14 AM If you are here, I would assume you are into bitcoin and learning how to use it. put your receiving address in your sig, at least have one on your profile page. Anyone with btc can send you some love directly from their wallet. Things like changetip are for n00bs and people who have no knowledge of how bitcoin works and is really meant for platforms where you don't know who will come across your content. Its made to facilitate and introduce btc. Is redundant here. So you're saying tipping should just be exploited to introduce new users but is not actually useful as a service? If so i'll have to disagree. As having alternatives in place yes i agree, i can look it up in profile, i can also ask you for your address in PM, and instead of this forum we can write letters to each other... Would i ever do it probably not, would i click a button for insightful analysis and a good post, probably. All arguments so far seem to fall into: 1-You already have a way to do it so why simplify make it user friendly. 2-Cons outweigh the pros (spam beggers etc...) Which both i disagree with. Would love to see BTC as a standard tipping feature on all forums (sort of like saying Thanks for a post on some platforms). Sure some platforms might benefit more than others (thinking of stackexchange etc...) but still What I am saying is; we here know our BTC a little better than say your granny or who ever. I would hazard a guess that 99% of users here are capable of operating a wallet, sending receiving Btc, and posting an address. A bot is unnecessary. EDIT- tipbot would be convenient though, however, I like that all I need is an address to send btc. Back to basics and good for new guys to come to terms with. For a while I had an address on a blog I run, with a "tip me" label. Not that anyone tipped the blog, I was still happy with the simplicity. It is not a btc related blog so a Changetip button sits there now. Users still have to get BTC and a CT account. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: siameze on January 17, 2015, 07:36:05 PM EDIT- tipbot would be convenient though, however, I like that all I need is an address to send btc. Back to basics and good for new guys to come to terms with. For a while I had an address on a blog I run, with a "tip me" label. Not that anyone tipped the blog, I was still happy with the simplicity. It is not a btc related blog so a Changetip button sits there now. Users still have to get BTC and a CT account. I like this. I kinda feel the tipping culture that has spawned wants to make it unnecessarily complicated. I can pop a label on an address and send out a few bits quickly with no 3rd party involved. (No disrespect towards ChangeTip intended) Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 17, 2015, 07:44:56 PM (No disrespect towards ChangeTip intended) I'll step in and disrespect it. Anything that encourages people not to learn how something that they are holding $ in is fucking stupid. Also taking advantage of n00bs for collecting fees of peoples good will is fucking horrible too. Don't support third party tipping things. P2P ftw 1% for withdraw is a fucking joke... (I know it's free... for now ;) ) Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: siameze on January 17, 2015, 07:57:48 PM (No disrespect towards ChangeTip intended) I'll step in and disrespect it. Anything that encourages people not to learn how something that they are holding $ in is fucking stupid. Also taking advantage of n00bs for collecting fees of peoples good will is fucking horrible too. Don't support third party tipping things. P2P ftw 1% for withdraw is a fucking joke... (I know it's free... for now ;) ) Well someone picked up the slack anyway. I think there are much better ways. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 17, 2015, 08:13:31 PM Well someone picked up the slack anyway. I think there are much better ways. Thank god someone stepped up to the plate to jew Grannies and Grandpas out of their $. ;D Now we just need someone to slap them up and we are moon bound! I don't see the slack I guess? Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: siameze on January 17, 2015, 09:42:34 PM I don't see the slack I guess? The "slack" where I didn't want to say my true thoughts on changetip. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 17, 2015, 11:38:24 PM I don't see the slack I guess? The "slack" where I didn't want to say my true thoughts on changetip. :P ah! Happy to pick up the slack <3 b3105e7b189eba871266f8a789dde1abe8927ff214d9de8e797ecfdacccd716f ^ example of a tip. Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 18, 2015, 02:42:24 AM So forums shouldn't integrated tipping because of liability, and that liability shouldn't be outsourced to a third party because they won't do it for free?
Now on to teaching Grannies and Grandpas on how to copy/paste addresses into their wallet software to send someone 50cents :-\ Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: b!z on January 18, 2015, 03:58:04 AM Not at all. This isn't Reddit or Twitter.
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: siameze on January 18, 2015, 02:05:02 PM I don't see the slack I guess? The "slack" where I didn't want to say my true thoughts on changetip. :P ah! Happy to pick up the slack <3 b3105e7b189eba871266f8a789dde1abe8927ff214d9de8e797ecfdacccd716f ^ example of a tip. I just now saw your post. Thanks a lot, I was racking my brain last night (mainly because of the wine) trying to figure out who sent me btc. :P That wasn't so hard at all! Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 18, 2015, 06:36:37 PM I don't see the slack I guess? The "slack" where I didn't want to say my true thoughts on changetip. :P ah! Happy to pick up the slack <3 b3105e7b189eba871266f8a789dde1abe8927ff214d9de8e797ecfdacccd716f ^ example of a tip. I just now saw your post. Thanks a lot, I was racking my brain last night (mainly because of the wine) trying to figure out who sent me btc. :P That wasn't so hard at all! I'd do it too but meh don't want to start up my wallet :D Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: waaat? on January 20, 2015, 12:45:54 AM Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums bitcoin isn't good for microtransactions. I know, i know, it's being pitched that way outside but really the tech isn't made for that mini-transaction stuff. There's dozens of alts for tipping ... Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: Wendigo on January 24, 2015, 05:52:49 AM I fear if tipping is allowed here on the forums it will turn into a handouts competition from day one.
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 24, 2015, 09:08:41 AM I fear if tipping is allowed here on the forums it will turn into a handouts competition from day one. Can you clarify, tipping on forums in general, or only on this forum specifically? Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: fsb4000 on January 24, 2015, 09:35:00 AM What distinguishes integrating tipping and current system? If someone found your post useful he can send BTC to your own address in the signature (or profile) or even ask PM your address if you do not specify your address.
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 26, 2015, 03:37:21 AM What distinguishes integrating tipping and current system? If someone found your post useful he can send BTC to your own address in the signature (or profile) or even ask PM your address if you do not specify your address. Ease of use. See my response before about sending carrier pigeons vs email, iphones etc... The two main arguments against it seem to contradict one another. 1st argument - there's already a way to tip now, everything works fine so why improve? ::) 2nd argument - there are no beggers/spam now because no one is tipping (thus beggers don't bother). Once you make it easy and people will actually start tipping it will open a pandora's box for all the evils that come with tipping Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: TheButterZone on January 26, 2015, 06:01:17 AM I report begging posts pretty fast after they're posted (as I get new topic notifications for some sections) and some are removed before I can click the link. It may seem counter-intuitive, but I don't think there will be an increase in begging if tipping addresses are integrated (more than just a lame plaintext entry in profiles that has to be copy-pasted); if anything, it may encourage people to make more quality posts so they get tipped without having to ask.
Title: Re: Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? Post by: DaRude on January 27, 2015, 07:34:03 PM I report begging posts pretty fast after they're posted (as I get new topic notifications for some sections) and some are removed before I can click the link. It may seem counter-intuitive, but I don't think there will be an increase in begging if tipping addresses are integrated (more than just a lame plaintext entry in profiles that has to be copy-pasted); if anything, it may encourage people to make more quality posts so they get tipped without having to ask. Yep, over half the posts are trolls anyway can't imagine tipping worsening the situation |