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Snapchat and WhatsApp could be banned in Britain for refusing to give British intelligence services access to their encrypted databases.


T-t-t-terrorists abound, and Big Brother is the only one who can save you! Quick, give me all your freedoms for safekeeping!


Read more: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/british-prime-minister-suggests-banning-some-online-messaging-apps/?_r=0 (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/british-prime-minister-suggests-banning-some-online-messaging-apps/?_r=0)

This is utterly dumb. Cameron would have to ban all encrypted channels, such as https, encrypted passwords logins etc...

Completely unworkable in "Digital Britain".

*facepalm*

Cameron is the biggest slime ball troll ever, uses any opportunity he can to fear sell the public, sad times :(

David Cameron in "cloud cuckoo land" over encrypted messaging apps ban

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/13/david-cameron-encrypted-messaging-apps-ban (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/13/david-cameron-encrypted-messaging-apps-ban)

<< The prime minister's pledge to give security services access to encrypted communications is "crazy", experts say. >>

What a moron. Terrorists could download open source software from the US or, for that matter, hire a programmer or two to create a simple custom solution for maybe a few hundred dollars.

This is a dumb policy I hope that the UK doesn't vote him in
Kind of a facepalm
Terrorism always being the default excuse for invading personal privacy

All this has happened before and will happen again.


http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html

I thought it was protecting the children.

Time to exile all the nationalists, the irony, what a great punishment it would be.

I've had enough of this.

I'd like to feel proud of my country.

What an irony this is.

another advancement on the war on terror.

Well one of three really its either A) Think of the Children B) Those terrorists again or C) This is for your country and is a national duty

Bitcoin may be banned too.
Is British still a freedom country?

This is what I was thinking. It's impossible to 'ban' them, what he's saying sounds like he just wants to criminalize or penalize their use just because they can't snoop on you.

Depends what you mean by freedom, we can do many things on this island.  Seems to be many people still in the matrix is how i find it, creates a society of ignorance which can hinder freedom often.  Not sure what other countries are like, probably similar i should imagine.

Cryptoy - explore the fascinating world of cryptography

- http://www.gchq.gov.uk/how_we_work/partnerships/supporting_education/Pages/Cryptoy-app.aspx (http://www.gchq.gov.uk/how_we_work/partnerships/supporting_education/Pages/Cryptoy-app.aspx)

"This fun and educational app teaches you about the mysterious world of cryptography. It will help you to understand ciphers and key, and enable you to create encrypted messages that you can share with your friends.
 
You can learn about four encryption techniques:

    Shift
    Substitution
    Vigenère
    Enigma

You can build your own messages interactively using these techniques, as well as learning the history behind their use.
 
Once you've created a message, you can share it with your friends and see if they can decrypt it... it's up to you how much help or information you give them!"

 ::)

Wouldn't it be possible to ban them though? The apps have to be downloaded, so for either iOS or Android, if you pass a law that outlaws encrypted mediums, Apple and Google can no longer offer them for download in their stores in Britain. Now you've eliminated the product from 99% of the people who don't know how or don't care to go to the trouble of trying to obtain the apps in any other way.

Dodgy Dave isn't the sharpest tool in the box, would be interested to know how he intends to enforce the ban. More hot air from the toff party methinx...

I vividly remember last election the conservative party was pushing for more 'discipline' in schools, that pissed me off, mandatory schooling is fascist enough as it is without more stupidity added to it.

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/1/15/1421352461061/Binary-code-on-a-laptop-012.jpg

Secret US cybersecurity report: encryption vital to protect private data

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/15/-sp-secret-us-cybersecurity-report-encryption-protect-data-cameron-paris-attacks (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/15/-sp-secret-us-cybersecurity-report-encryption-protect-data-cameron-paris-attacks)

<< Newly uncovered Snowden document contrasts with British PM’s vow to crack down on encrypted messaging after Paris attacks.

A secret US cybersecurity report warned that government and private computers were being left vulnerable to online attacks from Russia, China and criminal gangs because encryption technologies were not being implemented fast enough.

The advice, in a newly uncovered five-year forecast written in 2009, contrasts with the pledge made by David Cameron this week to crack down on encryption use by technology companies. >>

The problem with this is that the technology is there. It is not difficult to get access to things like PGP keychains that essentially allows people to encrypt messages 'manually' without the help of "apps". These kinds of technologies are widespread enough that it is not realistically possible to outright "ban" them nor prevent people from using them

Well the obvious solution to this problem: Sure, encrypt your data to keep it secure from the Big Bad Russians and those Menacing Chinese, but make sure you leave the keys with Benevolent Big Brother so He can keep you safe!

encryption is the only protection for privacy left.

... in the Totalitarian Future, The Cypherpunk Nightmare ...

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FfGVjUPik8  (Full Presentation: http://youtu.be/TiYVRoX_1zQ?t=1m10s ) - DEFCON 18 - Moxie Marlinspike - Changing Threats to Privacy

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOF3UeLvtA - Google Home View

  

The way things are headed you will need every form of encryption and privacy you can get.

We will ...

22C3: We lost the war - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bulE9vErfg

29C3 Keynote: Not My Department - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNsePZj_Yks

21 minutes and 42seconds into Teksyndicate youtube upload "The Tek 0166: Hackers are Good for the World":

Rant 30: David Cameron is a "donkey" and "retarded" and should be prevented from having children" To late to save the world from another generation of moron Cameron's. LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjzYuYWFDnQ

I laughed quite a bit. Not that I'm bias ;), you should overlook the fact that I've been blogging for 4 years that "David Cameron is a moron" ;D

When the Yanks start saying the "British Prime Minister is  a moron", you can be certain it's an absolute truth! LOL  :D

The rest of youtube upload makes some very technical and factual points of good merit e.g. 95% of the internet is the "Darkweb".

All the "Darkweb" means: the sum total of internet pages that cannot be accessed through googling or another internet search engine. Nearly all of the Darkweb was created by businesses, universities, government organisations, etc.

Anything, that requires a password to access it pages is part of the "Darkweb", I get the impression a minuscule group of politicians got confused by name and thought it was about those crime websites? LOL

The War on Errorism ! Also known as the War on Math !   :'(

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kqLVeP7iHA

SWIM also found this one on the internet...

- NSFW - Cassetteboy - Cameron's Conference - Rap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU

This are some good links thanks guys.

It is the only mathematically secure way to guarantee your privacy. However governments should respect your privacy even when encryption is not used

ethically yes they should but put in to practice they wont.

The government thinks you should respect their authority and stop making unreasonable demands about being a private citizen.    ;)

David Cameron is a moron, everyone knows economic profits always come first in Western Civilization - this is delivered by developing new knowledge into economic opportunities like the internet.

The secret services across Western Civilization's have gone around putting weakness into every innovation or discovery which would make the internet sector safe for consumers to use.

This has leaked out to the criminals, who have exploited the security services attempt at deliberate sabotage of the internet economic sector's safety protocols, which in turn has damaged the economic profitability of this new economic sector for mankind  ???

It should be remembered: the masses were given manifest freedoms and fundamental rights because it was discovered that the masses economic productivity was doubled when they experienced freedom, fraternity and liberty in societies.

However, a minority abused these freedoms, fraternity and liberty to commit atrocities against their fellow citizens, instead of banning the source of the economic productivity that was making everyone richer, it was decided that extra expenditures on a professional police services and prisons would be cheaper then sacrificing the extra elevated economic productivity achieved from giving the masses freedom, fraternity and liberty :o

Now, we have David Cameron and security services playing out the role of "morons" claiming that killing the chicken that lays the eggs of prosperity is what everyone should accept as the correct choice  :-X  

It is not the job of imbecile politicians to sequester ever greater powers to the security services to reduce freedom, fraternity and liberty in Western Civilization. Like the police service, the security services role is mop mess caused when minority in the masses have freedom, fraternity and liberty :P A terrorist commit atrocities, government's commit atrocities: one would expect one evil to cancel out the other evil ;) according to the philosopher Thomas Paine. Should it be a case that government cannot cancel out the evil of terrorism, then a cause for the overthrow of a ruling elite becomes apparent to masses in a identical manner to the transparency of ruling elites who cannot deliver ongoing economic prosperity :o

They have no justification for seeking to reduce freedom, fraternity and liberty, which are sole reason for Society needing the evil of a professional security service to mop up the tiny mess caused in the masses when fundamental rights are mistakenly seen as excuses to have no morals and ethics in life by minority of men and women ;)  

If only there was some sort of constitution written to let us have freedoms hmm...

Oh you mean that piece of paper enshrined behind glass at the National Archives? I think the armed guards are standing by to make it doesn't escape and wreak holy freedom on everybody.

or perhaps another nation that just happens to have oil

From Thomas Paine's "Common Sense":

"Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."

This paragraph has never been contradicted in any of subsequent years since it was written and published in 1776 :o It written after 7 months after the "Revolutionary War", which resulted foundation of USA ;D

Only expect evilness, from all governments everywhere now and forever into the future; only the degree of evilness varies when one government is compared to another government :D

At no point, can any government anywhere be described good, for maths comparing one evil to another evil never equals GOODNESS ;)

Different countries tried this with blackberry as well.
And if I am not wrong, they did succeed in getting access.