|
Title: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: deine mudder on January 23, 2015, 09:09:59 PM Bitcoin and crypto in general is driven by consensus. A good coin wouldn't breach consensus with the userbase. The existance of the foundation is a breach of consensus. There is no consensus for the foundation. Why should it exist when there is no consensus for it?
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: ChuckBuck on January 23, 2015, 09:29:57 PM Why do you think Andreas Antonopolous left that big pile of scum called the Bitcoin Foundation?
Too many bad actors and shady characters involved in that figurehead group. Karpeles, Brock Pierce, Shrem, etc... It's a good thing that Bitcoin is decentralized, and they have no control or say over the currency or protocol. The Bitcoin Foundation doesn't represent Bitcoin. End of thread. Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: RodeoX on January 23, 2015, 09:34:59 PM Consensus on what exactly?
Anybody can pick up the ball and run with it. That's what players do. Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: Kimowa on January 23, 2015, 10:26:08 PM We need active developers with Bitcoin, so far they have followed Satoshis direction.
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: countryfree on January 23, 2015, 10:30:27 PM I'm not sure about the consensus, but there's a need for BTC to evolve if we want it to get faster and be able to handle way more transactions. A foundation, the BTC Foundation as it is, looks appropriate for the task.
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: mayax on January 23, 2015, 10:30:55 PM Bitcoin and crypto in general is driven by consensus. A good coin wouldn't breach consensus with the userbase. The existance of the foundation is a breach of consensus. There is no consensus for the foundation. Why should it exist when there is no consensus for it? they all need quick money. why do you think they made that foundation? they got a lot of funds from "sharks" and together can manipulate the market. that Foundation exists because you let it to talk in your behalf. :) raise your voices when you hear someone from "Foundation" talking a lot of shits in press. tell to that shit press that Foundation doesn't represent the Bitcoin community. the Foundation has the "power" because you gave it to them....but you can take it back anytime Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: Guido on January 23, 2015, 10:40:57 PM Why do you think Andreas Antonopolous left that big pile of scum called the Bitcoin Foundation? Too many bad actors and shady characters involved in that figurehead group. Karpeles, Brock Pierce, Shrem, etc... It's a good thing that Bitcoin is decentralized, and they have no control or say over the currency or protocol. The Bitcoin Foundation doesn't represent Bitcoin. End of thread. +21000000 ;D Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: HarmonLi on January 23, 2015, 10:50:19 PM Well, effectively anybody could just go ahead and build a new foundation for Bitcoin! Sure. It effectively boils down to who supports you and what means he/she has! If you gather enough people to support you in creating a new foundation, go ahead! But I agree that the current foundation is very questionable, to say the least!
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: moriartybitcoin on January 23, 2015, 10:53:05 PM the foundation is a joke and should be shut down - there's your consensus
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: HarmonLi on January 23, 2015, 10:54:50 PM the foundation is a joke and should be shut down - there's your consensus Yeah, but on whose authority? Even if Satoshi came around the corner, he couldn't do jack about the Foundation. It's nothing more than, say, the FIFA saying they're the instance when it comes to soccer/football. They're effectively just another association, after all. Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: runpaint on January 23, 2015, 11:17:26 PM Andreas looks like a vampire. But he probably can't help that and it shouldn't influence your opinion of his character.
That is all I wanted to say, please carry on with the discussion. Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: Q7 on January 24, 2015, 12:50:36 AM If they want to implement an update, the whole network has to agree on the changes or it will fail. That's the beauty of bitcoin because nobody can control it. So what's your deal on the foundation
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: jaberwock on January 24, 2015, 12:53:54 AM Bitcoin and crypto in general is driven by consensus. A good coin wouldn't breach consensus with the userbase. The existance of the foundation is a breach of consensus. There is no consensus for the foundation. Why should it exist when there is no consensus for it? don't mix the protocol and the bitcoin ecosystem and economy. The foundation only will cease to exist when people don't take the foundation into account. Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: minerpumpkin on January 24, 2015, 01:10:05 AM Well, the Foundation is merely an entity interested in Bitcoin and trying to push it forward. Since they're not funded and regulated by any official state, government or whatever, they need to finance themselves and attract all kinds of people. I'm not very fond of them, as well. But I think we can't do anything about it, unless we build a new foundation or offer something better ourselves!
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: mayax on January 24, 2015, 03:53:58 AM This Foundation is talking in the behalf of the whole BTC community. The question is : why is it necessary a centralized entity?
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: Snipe85 on January 24, 2015, 05:17:05 AM Organized groups aren't bad since they can start big promotional campaigns and influence government officials and politicians. Organized and registered entities tend to have more impact than individuals in this centralized world of ours, so the foundation could be breaching a certain gap.
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: deine mudder on January 24, 2015, 08:44:45 AM Well, the Foundation is merely an entity interested in Bitcoin and trying to push it forward. Since they're not funded and regulated by any official state, government or whatever, they need to finance themselves and attract all kinds of people. I'm not very fond of them, as well. But I think we can't do anything about it, unless we build a new foundation or offer something better ourselves! hehehe. Build new 'foundations', a whole bunch of them is maybe a good idea. ;D Hereby i declare myself the president of the "only official foundation of Bitcoin" 8) http://www.adpic.de/data/picture/detail/Korken_knallen_lassen_156668.jpg If you don't like it: suck my balls and have your own 'foundation' 8) 'Picking up a ball and run with it is what players do' ;) Consensus on what exactly? Anybody can pick up the ball and run with it. That's what players do. Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: deine mudder on January 24, 2015, 12:39:54 PM we continue here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934517.0 Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on January 24, 2015, 01:11:11 PM Like I said before there can never, never be something official. No "official bitcoin foundation" or anything, its as ridiculous as claiming to be "the official bitcoin exchange" or "the official bank of bitcoin". Its so dumb. The only thing that could make sense to call official is the Bitcoin QT wallet if you want to.
Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: deine mudder on January 24, 2015, 01:24:04 PM Like I said before there can never, never be something official. No "official bitcoin foundation" or anything, its as ridiculous as claiming to be "the official bitcoin exchange" or "the official bank of bitcoin". Its so dumb. The only thing that could make sense to call official is the Bitcoin QT wallet if you want to. We include everyone and exclude noone, so we are the 'only official foundation of bitcoin'. There needs to be no consensus on it because we just took the ball and ran with it. So please spare us the 'you can't be official' because we are! If you think different you are free to open up the 'un-official foundation'. Hope this explains it. Title: Re: There is no consensus on the existance of the foundation Post by: qwk on January 24, 2015, 02:05:56 PM The Bitcoin Foundation doesn't represent Bitcoin. Thank you, captain obvious! ::)Like I said before there can never, never be something official. No "official bitcoin foundation" or anything, its as ridiculous as claiming to be "the official bitcoin exchange" or "the official bank of bitcoin". Its so dumb. The only thing that could make sense to call official is the Bitcoin QT wallet if you want to. Now that is nonsense.The Bitcoin QT wallet is just as official or non-official as anything else in the Bitcoin world. Bitcoin is whatever you make of it. You're free to use Bitcoin just as you like. You may do for or against Bitcoin whatever you feel like doing or not doing. You will not be forced by anyone anywhere to use or not use Bitcoin anytime anyplace. So calm down, relax and enjoy your freedom! :) |
