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Hi!  :)

Ok, so I followed the tips fo some users and here it is:

http://flukybet.com (http://flukybet.com)

It's easy, you deposit any amount between 0.01 and 1 bitcoin and have a 75%+ probability of winning 135% of it.

The address used is: 1GVGSgfWesJPFvCsSt9TPjWypq9s2WQzrE

Belongs to ninjaboon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=240370.0
a very respected user here. He is helping us, as a 3rd party scrow holding the funds until the payout starts, the round starts every 72 hours.

The system is Provably Fair to select the random number that determines the order of the payouts. It uses the TXID concatenated with the
Hash of the next block from the Block_height that included the deposit transaction. After that it's hashed, and the 13,14,15,16 digits are taken and converted to a decimal number.

Example:

TX  b1efe3ed66420f5c0956dfab0f17baaf08626a763d59501d92f3790c4a1071a9

So:

b1efe3ed66420f5c0956dfab0f17baaf08626a763d59501d92f3790c4a1071a9 +
00000000000000000fbceb08d7f309339f2307a5941104dace6da723077f112c (That's the next block hash of the block-height 341854 which included that transaction)

Then hashed it's:
4b6ecf89594caff0ef2528e636ee682b774e30ae7a180d534a8e9dc2178081b2

Would generate this 4 hexadecimal digits
aff0

So the draw number would be:
45040


Ordered by that method, every user is paid out 135% of your bet until no more funds are available (The pool will be 98% of all deposits, the rest is for the escrow service and site fees), that would make around 75% of the players winners, also the first one to lose receives the remaining of the balance as a consolation price.

If you want to test it out without bitcoins, this is the simulator mentioned above:

http://flukybet.com/#/Simulator (http://flukybet.com/#/Simulator)

If you have any tip or idea to make the game better (Like bigger payouts *more risk involved, daily rounds and so on) feel free to reply to this topic   :)

Date/Time: 25 JAN 2015, 918pm GMT +8. Sunday.

My name is Colbert Low aka ninjaboon and I will be the escrow for FlukyBet.com
Signed PGP message pending.


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 :)

fluky, looks like you have your 1st customer.
https://blockchain.info/tx/7d757a726acbdda4984798c8b46bcf344bdbf055a0f5bab9502943d1f39ea487

 ;D

https://i.imgur.com/PEPY3lP.jpg

Wait, so payout doesn't follow the deposit order ?

It's more akin to a lottery.

I used to lose a lot at ponzis as I could never deposit early (did not have bots), so I think this method is better.


Fluky did say this earlier too:

Imo, if it pays out every Sunday, then people would rather make a bet in a dice site as it's the same winning chances.

It follows the order, generated by the 13th,14th,15th and 16th TX digits (converted to decimal) I'll put house money this round, so depending on the pool size, there will be more winners, maybe even all will win.

Yep, as ninjaboon said, that can be changed once more users participate, I'll make a pool, by the way the chances you say are somewhat wrong, check out an example: http://satoshidicebreaker.appspot.com/ 

If you run the site simulator http://flukybet.com/#/Simulator you'll see the chances are 150% more than a dice game

3 deposits are in....

https://i.imgur.com/PO2tDNw.jpg

another one. keep them coming.

https://blockchain.info/tx/020e97deaaf716cea56655871e7c897da013af373f3c28022cf90865a5aa019d

A bit misleading name as it's ponzi-casino hybrid, meaning you can lose even if you win  :-\
Nonetheless I might try my luck with it!
But players beware I don't think odds posted in first post are correct, I think they don't include risk of not getting paid full amount  >:(

May I help you with your question? I didn't understand the part of lose even if you win.

I didn't read carefully enough, now I see it's just a ponzi with the "you snooze you loose" factor randomized  ::)

Yep, it has a transparent randomizer, and people suggested to escrow the funds, so it's like that now. It also has other differences, if there's not enough balance it will skip to the next player, meaning more winners contrary to a normal scheme where it gets stuck.  

After all the process, the remainer will be sent to the first loser as a consolation prize. I think this round I'll add pool funds so more players can win!  :)

how long will you decide the winner ?

May I deposit some from 3rd party like other gambling site or exchanger ?

The draw starts every Sunday at 00:00 GMT and then I will start the payouts for the previous week once I wake up in Asia side.

So Draw #1 starts 25 JAN 2015, Sunday at 00:00 GMT and ends 31 JAN 2015, Saturday at 23:59 GMT;
then Draw #2 starts 1 FEB 2015, Sunday at 00:00 GMT and ends 7 FEB 2015, Saturday at 23:59 GMT.

I don't think you should do that as they use shared wallets and addresses.
Without proper tracking on gambling site or exchange, your btc will be lost.

Use blockchain.info or use standalone wallets like Bitcoin Core or Electrum.

this week's draw ends in 4days 18:36:00

some spelling error here : http://flukybet.com/#/Simulator

Proyected Win - Projected Win

How to play this game

@fluky? spell check.

@james, thanks.

Send BTC to this address to play:
1GVGSgfWesJPFvCsSt9TPjWypq9s2WQzrE

Min 0.001 btc to 1 BTC - 2 confirmations required to play -

** Also make sure you don't send BTC from a shared address.** - blockchain.info wallet works fine.

I try stimulate but why always all wins? So where the money will come. Sorry not get it

Thanks for the typo check @james :) I corrected it.

@fildza depending on the bets, 80% to 70% should win, so it's very probable that you will win, your money would come from the players who lose, and some times, the house will put money so there will be more winners. If you try the simulator enough times, you could get some losses too.

After you deposit, you'll get a draw number, the lower it is, the higher the chances you'll get your 135% you can check where you currently stand in the site list.

Hi, I just deposit some amount  :)
Will try my luck  ;D

So if I been selected as a winner, the prize will be send it back into my last deposit address right ?

Nice site idea, sending in 0.01 to try it out. Sort of like a ponzi but now its actually gambling and generated from random numer

Yep, exactly :) That would be on Sunday, in the future I may create daily rounds, jackpots, or other variants to spice things up

Good luck  :D, you can actually check your current chances by your draw number (It was generated from the digits 13-16 of your tx -> Converted from Hex to decimal)

Oh, btw if there's enough interest, that feature of 3rd party address would be added so you can enter your desired receiving address and be able to deposit from anywhere.  8)

"Desired receiving address" will be a great idea so that users can just withdraw from other exchange/casino sites directly..

4 more days for Round #1

Keep the bets coming in.
 ;D ;D

https://i.imgur.com/hsbB2qS.jpg

This lotto so have a chance not the winner if nobody have some ticket with lotto number,right?

10 players, 3 days 18 hours left.
 :)

https://i.imgur.com/o7R1NwH.jpg

Didn't understand quite right your question, I think you asked if this game have a chance of not having a winner?

That's not right, in the table there is a Draw# At the end of the round, from the pool, all the players will be paid out (ordered by that draw#) until there is no more btc left there, i'll add a video soon to explain it better :)

Correct me if I'm wrong. 10 people play now which mean 2 people with highest draw number will be lose right?

Yep you're right, if it ended right now, they would lose, although  one would get a consolation prize.

However, each time a new player enters, there's a chance the he would get a higher draw number, so it's not decided until the round ends. It's quite interesting as the draw number is generated by the TX ;D

agree on that. fluky has some cool ideas for this site.

i dont get it.. can someone explain to play this game?

Sure!  :)

You just need to deposit, as soon as you do that you are given a random number.

When you do that, your deposit transaction has a TX Id. For example, the lucky person that just deposited:
http://blockchain.info/tx/1ccb96cf52ab01319d4363609714063f3437d5ab3d1dcb3430b57735d04c35c5

1ccb96cf52ab01319d4363609714063f3437d5ab3d1dcb3430b57735d04c35c5 - You extract the 13,14,15,16 digits
0131  *But that is a hexadecimal number so we convert it to decimal = "305"

When the game ends, the players are paid out 135% of their deposit until the pool has not enough to pay the players, so that's why 75% win. Also the first to lose gets the remaining of the pool as a consolation price.

I've added a video on the site, to try to explain that  8)

Really pro looking video, love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ershf5m_7lg

 ;D Hehe thank you! Oh btw Just 78 hrs left!!  :)

so whats the difference between this and 1 bet at a dice site?

You get to play against other players and the probability of winning is bigger.

Although this round is a bit long, because it's the first one, but maybe the next ones will be daily, or with variants like the winner takes it all with a jackpot added, so what's your opinion on the site?  :)

Feel free to express your ideas, it only helps make the site better and more fun!

I guess daily draws will spice things up.
At least I don't have to wait too long to know if I have won.

12 players lined up

https://i.imgur.com/myfBt4M.jpg

Yep, Good luck to everyone!!

And you're right, shorter rounds will make it more exciting  :)

Just 40 hours left till payout :o

Some players already looking like winners like Player #11 and #4

Yes, 01 day 08 hours :57 mins, Time Remaining

Yep!! A couple of hrs were added to the timer, last chance to enter the round, new round will start at the end of the last one  :)

so about 09:29:40 hours left

less than 1 hour, 58 mins left in Round #1.

17 players for Round #1, good luck all.

https://i.imgur.com/1zcnjm8.png

I thought already lose so already forget my btc but just few hours ago got email say I receive btc and check back the site I win cause new people got higherdraw :)

Congratulations  :)!!, And to all the winners!

 Btw I changed the rounds to just 72 hours so the wait should be shorter now!

congrats on the win in Round #1.

some players have lined up for Round #2, welcomed.

https://i.imgur.com/BwXwEKr.png

leme try to turn my .005btc into 1btc here :)

Congrats to Round #1 winners too.
I helped in the payouts as the official escrow.

Yep, thank you for that.

Good luck!!  :)

7 players, 01 day 24 mins remaining.

So, someone finally developed a honest and transparent escrowed ponzi :). Good to see such things.

Suspicious tx in ROund #1

17   1CG1R4BimSyaFUhaEqiANLsuX28UpziYBt   0.09   0.1215   a3f12bb... [007b]   2/1/2015 9:54:03 AM UTC   123   Win   d14e39c...


The fact that the highest amount was put in by the same user makes it even more suspicious.

tx in question:
https://blockchain.info/tx/a3f12bb4f79f007ba4589367aab8e0bcbab90a65faff1d4571de2b5c4dcded8b

the lowest amount paid could have had the lowest number too.
don't get your argument on this.

and the below argument might be a manual pain?

Thanks for the tip, didn't know about it sorry  :(, it seems a possibility , it looks to me like a cheater, if so, I'll refund that amount to the players that lost fair playing.

Now about the system, It'll be changed to the unix timestamp of the transaction, i.e. for that one
https://blockchain.info/rawtx/a3f12bb4f79f007ba4589367aab8e0bcbab90a65faff1d4571de2b5c4dcded8b

it would be 1422784443  = 344

I'm almost sure that couldn't be changed, what do you think?

Problem with the system i could keep submitting raw hex transactions and keep going for the tx id that I want, and don't broadcast it if its a txid that makes you win. Maybe hash the tx with a secret key, and you provide the sha256 hash of that secret key to verify that you aren't change it. This would make the random number not predictable if you don't know the secret key, which is released at the end of the day (week in this case)

Thanks for the props!  :)

makers sense now.
Fluky will be using the unix timestamp from now.
thanks all.

Unix timestamp with milliseconds, seconds can be changed, also with the timestamp can't you just end at 01 seconds instead of 60 and be in first? Doesn't make sense to me

That is a better alternative. :)

Thanks for your reply, You say that the unix time stamp can be changed? The value will be taken from the "received time" by blockchain.info that value can't be changed, can it?

Also 00 will win over 01 because the number would be taken from the 3 first digit of the inversed unix time: like 1422265904 = 409. Althought the players could try to get it in the lowest digit it's very easy to fail and get a higher number.

Another option is adding the TXID with the hash of the block-height where it was included then hashed again, that way I think there's no way it can be changed, what do you think?

Btw, while this get sorted out, the round will be  increased by 24 hrs.


Btw, we've noticed some other strange transactions.

Yeah, good thing the order is reversed. I think it is okay. :)

Most games like this hash the txid and use it to determine the winner, etc. I personally use blockchain wallet, on which doing so is either not possible or unknown? Just check it with someone else, since personally I am not so much into bitcoin and blockcain tech.

I rechecked, but I think I could myself be able to use this to win. Do you want me to do a check?

All i take is probably a few tries and I will come up with a good method to do it.  

Can you provide an address for me to check? (I have helped many sites with similar and different explitable systems, and I don't make a profit out of this. You can trust me. I will use only small amounts to check. and to your address so that you can see, please return the amount after the test.) :)

this is generated from random numer ? Provably Fair ?

Sure, you can test here 18aR3Buve9nFMrhEpVxxaBku3Kg2sxjU6W I'll return your amount, and a little tip after you finish. You'll try the timestamp method right?

Timestamp cant be changed but you can still resent the tx if the time received is bad. Also anyone can hash block height with the txid and then resent if its bad. Maybe hash the block hash of the next block that it confirms in, I am not sure if you can guess the next block hash but I dont think you can.

Yes! For the first round it was based on some digits of the txid of the deposit (the 1st post has details), but we noticed one player probably tried to alter it to gain advantage, so we're testing and deciding if we go with  the unix timestamp of the deposit. i.e.

b1efe3ed66420f5c0956dfab0f17baaf08626a763d59501d92f3790c4a1071a9

1423018427 = 724

or with the txid + hash of the next block from the block_height that included the transaction, then hashed, then the 13,14,15,16 digit then to decimal, like this:

b1efe3ed66420f5c0956dfab0f17baaf08626a763d59501d92f3790c4a1071a9

So:

b1efe3ed66420f5c0956dfab0f17baaf08626a763d59501d92f3790c4a1071a9 +
00000000000000000fbceb08d7f309339f2307a5941104dace6da723077f112c (That's the next block hash of the block-height 341854 which included that transaction)
Then hashed it's:
4b6ecf89594caff0ef2528e636ee682b774e30ae7a180d534a8e9dc2178081b2
So the digits are:
aff0
So the draw number would be:
45040

But, every method can be checked and verified by all users so yes it's provably fair.

I took your advice @funtotry, thx!, and put it in the previous post what do you think?

Yes I will be checking the timestamp method.

Results: (will be updated here.)
Target less than 100

1st one miss

2nd and 3rd : 138, 438 miss
 ???
4th : big miss

I think a bot can do it. I am doing manual second count.

---

Upgraded my mrthod.

TARGET:007

FAILED: BY 3 seconds

NEW: 009

FAILED: By 2 seconds : 1423027898

---

Changed my method to a better one.

NEW : 000

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: https://blockchain.info/rawtx/6ed48e492ca760e6ce59528320eeca6ebec438a949a2ca02904fdf09cf019ea5

NEW : 003

1 sec miss: time:1423028299,

1 sec miss again: https://blockchain.info/rawtx/d239ed85d88abc722634bae851743b6aba1062328a1dff595c1d05fdd8b0a3ed


HIT: https://blockchain.info/rawtx/3b6277a7c0251d29b0a3387e12566adedc95e809face634885a93ff4601927e2

Now I know exactly when to make the transaction.

Oh, I see your transactions, actually that could make the game exciting, trying to get the lowest millisecond, but if there's a bot it would screw everything, do you know something about what @funtotry said?

Timestamp cant be changed but you can still resent the tx if the time received is bad.


Edit: I see your 000, wow well done, did you manually got that?

Yes. the check was done completely manual. I have no knowledge of coding and programming. Never created a bot in my life.
Now, I can do it very good with max error of 1 to 2 seconds. and 70%+ accuracy

I am going to make 1 more 000 hit in 4minutes to complete the check.

EDIT: Done. https://blockchain.info/rawtx/8ede8d6cc6059e2c846c9acadd8b648ff45444fd180f86503988e73157df7c9c


The checking is complete now.

Result: The method of using timestamp as a means of determining the order is exploitable.

Suggestion: Pick a different method. any mentioned above by funtotry or me or something else.

Thank you! So this would be the method:

the txid + hash of the next block from the block_height that included the transaction, then hashed, then the 13,14,15,16 digit then to decimal, like this:

b1efe3ed66420f5c0956dfab0f17baaf08626a763d59501d92f3790c4a1071a9

So:

b1efe3ed66420f5c0956dfab0f17baaf08626a763d59501d92f3790c4a1071a9 +
00000000000000000fbceb08d7f309339f2307a5941104dace6da723077f112c (That's the next block hash of the block-height 341854 which included that transaction)
Then hashed it's:
4b6ecf89594caff0ef2528e636ee682b774e30ae7a180d534a8e9dc2178081b2
So the digits are:
aff0
So the draw number would be:
45040

Btw, thanks  :), I sent back your coins from another wallet:
https://blockchain.info/tx/ef0c0a564e1ad69b2bdbb0dbc587540838951bc0b4fad0a028dbfc948863ea3a

Yes, I think that will do.

Great work, ndnhc. :D
You did good. You didn't try to steal money of players and instead helped them. You certainly deserve something. :)

Keep up the good work, bro,

It will be better to refund this round before changing rules and start new one with clear rules for players IMHO

I agree with that. Or probably you should let it go on and let the cheaters lose their money.  ;D

Hehe, it's tempting but it would be rather professional cancel this round  :)

Ok, what would you like to be done with this round (Continue or refund)?.

The decision would be taken according to this poll, Please vote :)

http://strawpoll.me/3560796

vote done.

any firm decision to the votes for Round 2?

Ok, so we have a tie score. Extented voting time, please vote to decide it 8)

if you have voted earlier, you cannot vote again.

Ok, so the voters decided. We'll refund your whole deposit for this round and start again. Because our escrow provider is not available right now, your funds will be sent back at 12:00 PM GMT, that is aprox. 6 hours after this message, thank you for your patience! and all new deposits will follow the new rules for this Round 2 Reloaded

 :)

Transactions refunded, thank you to ninjaboon for his work, the round continues now with the new draw number rules.

Good luck to everyone!  :)

so on wards to the next round guys.

when will this new round end ?

03days 05 hours remaining

2 days 17 hours left for the new ROUND #2.

when is Round 3 starting?

Anyone use this site? Anyone have any reviews. I would like to see some other people's experience before I try it myself.

I've used it and it was pretty fun. It is provably fair and instead of being your average ponzi it is escrowed funds with a trusted member and it is more gambling then ponzi. I still am not clear if some exploits have been fixed or some other things but I sent some money and I was lucky to win.

Yep, as an admin of the site, I can confirm, any possible exploit is now covered. Thank you to the users who pointed that out in Round #2 so any issue was prevented.

Round #3 has just started!!  8)

Round #3 - 4 days 11 hours left. thanks.

I cannot contact fluky for now. He is offline.

Name:   fluky
Posts:   47
Activity:   28
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   24-01-2015, 04:45:14
Last Active:   28-02-2015, 11:52:16

Hi,

Sorry for my abscence, as the interest declined, I'll declared the game closed for the moment. Thank you to every participant, to ninjaboon for helping as escrow (I highly recommend him) and congrats to all the winners!!

:D 8)

Note: The last person to deposit will get his btc refunded.

dont give up yet, all new sites starts from the bottom, even PD and JD start at the bottom where the interest of gamlbing there is pretty low, you should make your site more trustable anyway  :-\ :-\

I'll send this deposit back
in the next few hours, kind of tied up now.

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/15b5d41a335534eb8b75e9ac1debce756d05d1e6ace5daac1c0c1a151e9e981b/

0.001 BTC from 1H9BLMiRKXB4w3v27LFALKXTvCwaBHNFXV

EDIT: refund done, I did not charge an escrow fee for it. Thank you flukybet for having me as an escrow for your funds and good luck.

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/be48e21d34831812d5eef97c881488b37ffbf17fd5fc39e331462fb7653f2ac3/

I totally forgot about this, but I still think this is very nice idea.
One thing that I would like to see changed is max deposit amount, difference between max an min can't be 100x IMHO unless site becomes super-popular.

Thank you for the encouragement WEBcreator, I know that, I just didn't invested enough time and effort promoting it, as I'm busy with another projects, now I can't do it for now, I know trust is hard to earn but what would you recommend? I was thinking in giving more prizes from my own wallet, and getting more known, unfortunately, many scam sites keep appearing and each day it's more difficult for people to trut new sites.


Thank you so much ninjaboon, for you service, I highly recommend you.


Thank you pozmu, I may continue the site later, but with more variety of games and options, once I get enough time and have some extra-money to invest in the site. And you're completely right, I think a 10x should be good enough. :)

Went to the site, and it was offline. Naturally, I search google, and come to this forum, and look and behold. It's actually closed because lack of activity, nothing else. Kudos to flukybet! :)