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how do i know which ones are legit. like how do i know they don't have software where inside user's can see my cards.

i play right now on betcoin, and nitrogen because they have reputable sports books that make a ton of money and wouldn't want to risk that over a poker scandal.

obviously sealswithclubs is fine. enough said there.

but then all these new ones coming up. how can i i know if it's safe to deposit my btc in into them?

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You cant.

Thats why i am staying away from BTC-poker. Even if the site itself is legit (has enough reputation that you can most likely exclude the existance of superusers) - it still very possible for them to have a weak security. In my opion, any site that is offereing poker for now is simply too small. The risk/reward ratio is not there... yet.

Yes, the players will be weaker and stuff - but personally i think you are being overconfident on how "site x woudnt risk it" and "x is obviosly fine"

And if you are even considering playing poker on the new and lesser sites you might just as well invest in some ponzi, way less risk.

risk/reward ratio likely depends on the stakes you play, and your skill level.





does your site have some kind of provable rng?

As far as I know , there's a site that is legit Sealswithclubs or something like that I mean there's a trhead in here has very good rep.
Then the risk there worth it, if there's any chance that you will be beated by superusers, you will have the proff of it.
You can demand that company...

I'm pretty sure (Because I read a lot on 2+2 forums) there's a lot of people EV+ playing there.

Anyway there's always the chance that someone is making a huge scam like everything involded with btc lately.

I'd rather play on Pokerstars  there's a lot of fishes on low/mid stakes sng's.

Already was implying that a skill level gives you the significant edge. Point being that playing (espessialy medium stakes and higher) and feeling "safe" is a little bit naive (At this stage of BTC-poker evolution)

I cannot say anything about our site because I don't want to advertise it.
The best you can do is to wait and read the threads on this forum  :)
We are using a poker mavens server so I guess it the rng is ok.

I think its risky to play cash games on these new sites. I find tournament poker to be good on most of these new sites.

how does the risk change from tournament to cash?

I am not sure, but its just from experience,  I feel this way . I might be wrong though. Maybe people who write code can elaborate on what they think

Just wait till an established offline casino comes out with an e-version.
Until then, you are just taking shots in the dark. :)

I think most of them claim to be one, but aren't . I know someone who actually happens to own a casino, and had got an online license for running it.
Would it be a good idea to ask them to launch a casino for bitcoin use ?

if you trust sealswithclubs then youre already getting screwed. theres more collusion on there than anything. least there was when i played there. plus cashouts there are anywhere from 3 hours to 24 hours.

far as any other "new" poker site as long as you can withdraw and deposit without waiting for more than 1 confirmation theres not much harm in trying them out. just dont go nuts putting 100 btc on them. play small stakes and have some fun

please post hand histories to prove this.

SwC has and always will vigilantly bust collusion. 

All reports are taking seriously in addition to automated tools looking for cheating.  The giant SwC thread in this forum, by far the most viewed thread here, is a great place to go public with collusion.  If it turns out to be real, you can be assured we take action. 

I actually have a question for people who have some experience using the Maven's software.
Does it allow you to modify the software, to be able to see the hands or allow a modification in the software to do so ?
I trust seals, but not a lot of other sites which go about using the software, and its best to know if its possible.

Your concerns are valid and I don't think there is a way to be sure, you pretty much have to trust the website and don't play if you don't.

i stick to the old one's until the new one's build a rep. Play freerolls or low Bi tourneys there...but I wont advice you to put in high amount of cash.

You can't. I'd say stick to the well known, proven good sites and wait a bit for feedback about these new sites.

It is the same for all other type of sites.
You can't easily tell if a new dice site or a new casino or a new exchange is legit or not. You shouldn't deposit serious money in it until they are established and you have enough trust in it.

if you are looking for another trusted poker site, you can try https://sealswithclubs.eu/

You cannot verify that which one is a legit site. To be more secure you can just play on trusted sites and you are already doing that.
The problem of others seeing your card is not as dangerous as people grouping together with each other on a single table and targeting you. This happens many many times in online poker.
My call: Stay away from online poker

Since poker sites need a decent size of community in order to be successful, it's really hard for new sites to start out anyways so i can't see mass poker sites starting and actually being used. In general, there are some scripts that are approved by highly trusted third parties, but these are annoying to use for the operator, because the operator can't update those to improve them. In general, I would only try a new site if they have something new and original to offer, because otherwise the risk is bigger than the reward in my opinion. Also the more popular poker sites will be enjoyable to play since it takes less time to get into a table etc.

Hard to know right away if a site is legit unless its technically proven, with p2p poker you have to watch for cheats.  You can always play heads up which avoids collusion.   Look for sites with reputation.

Hey stellar69!

It is funny to look at your signature while reading your advice  :)

I bet that you never visited the website that I advertise in my signatures. 777coin offers you video poker and many more games.
Its not like the poker site about which the OP is talking about.

You are saying "Stay away from online poker" and you are advertising video poker  :)
Is your video poker off line lol?
But you are right I haven't visited that website. It could be good.

In my opinion Seals With Clubs is the best

I like Betcoin poker , but they don't respect Bitcoin
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Well, they share sng /mtt shedule and playerpool with WinningPokerNetwork (a network between multiple fiat currencies poker skins) so everytime you join a sng/mtt your btc are automatically converted to $ and the reverse transaction happens if/when you cash in a sng/mtt.

So ...yes Btc buyins and payouts depend on bitcoin price at the moment of the transaction, but I wouldn't call it a lack of respect towards bitcoin: it is just the (smart imho) way they solved the problem of building a huge playerbase and to give the best offer in term of sng and multitable tournaments.

Seals with clubs is the best for me too . Been there for along time, and doubt would move to another site all of a sudden .

well yeah its the best because it has the most players if others would have that much they would be popular too

You are right, elephantas1. That's what we are trying to do on skyhighpoker.co.uk (http://skyhighpoker.co.uk) - get more players from all over the world.
And then - sky is the limit :)

I've never played there myself but according to this thread (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927971) which rates popular gambling websites, it has the same trustworthiness and overall rating as PrimeDice.

collusion is very difficult to do effectively vs good players. and i think i'd be able to spot it so i could just leave. this has been discussed on 2+2. the amount i would lose because of their edge over the small sample they would get vs me before i noticed is almost not worth noting. however if my cards are somehow exposed or they know flops/turns/rivers... they will kill me even over a short sample.

and i play mostly hu anyways, so collusion is almost a non-factor for me.

Technically it is possible people to see your cards if there is such software installed on the server.
But I don't think that anyone is doing this because it is not worth it. It is kind of childish.
You have to spend thousands of dollars for software and advertising and then you have to play for months scamming people and risking your future (cz when you get caught you'll have to start from the beginning - advertising, domain name, marketing, etc).

One's gotta take the chance, bite the bullet and deposit... That's the only way to be sure. And always withdraw when you don't need it anymore!

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That being said - i admit that i could be potentially underestimating the reputation and trust that sealswithclubs have at the moment. I think when i first tested them (2 years ago or so) - software and everything looked so bad that i played for a couple of days and did not bother since.

i havent seen that many, compared to the whole ponzi nonsense thats been bumping and growing like mushrooms more then the poker scene.

Agreed. Screw them, and screw B Micon for not doing anything to slow down the collusion. If you use that site/app you are either a cheater or are being cheated, there is no middle ground there.

i rather go with directbet then seals, i heard too many stories where the same people were sitting on the same table, etc cheating.

uh... wouldnt a offline casino just be consider a regular las vegas casino. i dont get what you mean off-line.

its pretty obvious, anything offline would be not using a source of internet.

Thats called Colluding. Yes that happens a lot on Seals. If you ever feel someone is colluding, then you should email support.
The bad part is that they won't confirm if collusion was actually happening, and that makes it worthless to report, as firstly, you do not get any refund if it was happening. You don't even know if they were banned for colluding, as more players mean more rake for seals, and Seals freezes their accounts and keeps their balance to themselves. So its a win-win for Seals Either way, without any results guaranteed.

i'd be surprised if that were the case with swc. i'd like to think they give back some funds to players that were colluded against. i know for a fact that pokerstars does it's happened to me twice in the past.

so about swc do you know this as fact?