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Title: Tor Tax / Proxy Ban
Post by: xerbot_dev on January 27, 2015, 01:43:14 PM
Hi,

to post via. Tor on these forums you need to pay a fee of 0.001 BTC (roughly 25 USD cents).

The money itself is not the problem, I obviously payed it. The problem is that you are discouraging the use of Tor, and are imposing a Tor Tax on your forums just like Google and CloudFlare are imposing a CAPTCHA-Tax on Tor users (really annoying and they can track you more easily). You also can not use faucets to earn this amount through Tor, as their "anti-cheat" will not let you use Tor with any faucets.

The other problem is that contacting an administrator to review your registration/proxyban is near impossible, as you can not send private messages and the admins do not have their E-Mails set to public. Other means of contact may also not work through Tor without enabling Javascript, and if you use Javascript with Tor then you might as well not use Tor at all.

Spam bots will not contact administrators... and any user who wants to bypass an IP ban can do so very easily, as many countries have dynamic IPs (restart your router).

Please allow users to at least be able to contact an administrator for a review of a proxyban.

Kind regards,
dev


Title: Re: Tor Tax / Proxy Ban
Post by: Quickseller on January 27, 2015, 02:10:48 PM
The purpose of it is to discourage spam. Since you as a rule cannot be traced via IP address on tor it would be very easy to contiously spam (and get banned) via tor. The amount you pay is nominal however it would be prohibitively expensive for spammers


Title: Re: Tor Tax / Proxy Ban
Post by: BadBear on January 27, 2015, 07:09:18 PM
Open proxies were banned from registering before, at least you have a choice to use it now. Open proxies are abused too much, try to sign up on any other decent sized forum using Tor and see what happens.


Title: Re: Tor Tax / Proxy Ban
Post by: OgNasty on January 29, 2015, 04:31:15 PM
I was unaware that the forum charged a fee for this.  Pretty cool way to fight this problem.  Any chance something could be implemented for obvious scammers as well.  For example, this guy has been attempting to run his poor attempt at a scam for weeks now and nobody is really doing anything about it.  Anyone that leaves him negative trust gets bombarded with negative trust from multiple sock puppet accounts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=408814

When troublemakers like this won't take a hint, can't they be flagged as scammers and have to pay to access their account again instead of just being banned for a short period of time?


Title: Re: Tor Tax / Proxy Ban
Post by: Blazr on January 29, 2015, 04:57:53 PM
I was unaware that the forum charged a fee for this.  Pretty cool way to fight this problem.  Any chance something could be implemented for obvious scammers as well.  For example, this guy has been attempting to run his poor attempt at a scam for weeks now and nobody is really doing anything about it.  Anyone that leaves him negative trust gets bombarded with negative trust from multiple sock puppet accounts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=408814

When troublemakers like this won't take a hint, can't they be flagged as scammers and have to pay to access their account again instead of just being banned for a short period of time?

Scammers don't get banned. because anyone who isn't retarded will not trade with an outed scammer and there is a chance the scammer might want to post here to refund people (remember terrytibbs?) or they may post something that will aid in identifying the scammer or his other accounts.

If none of the scammers sockpuppets are in anyone's trustlist, then their feedback has no weight and you can ignore it. If they happen to be in someones trust list, contact that person and let them know they are leaving fake feedback. The admins will also remove feedback if its an extremely bad case of spam, such as 1,000's of people being negged for no reason.


Title: Re: Tor Tax / Proxy Ban
Post by: Welsh on January 29, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
I was unaware that the forum charged a fee for this.  Pretty cool way to fight this problem.  Any chance something could be implemented for obvious scammers as well.  For example, this guy has been attempting to run his poor attempt at a scam for weeks now and nobody is really doing anything about it.  Anyone that leaves him negative trust gets bombarded with negative trust from multiple sock puppet accounts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=408814

When troublemakers like this won't take a hint, can't they be flagged as scammers and have to pay to access their account again instead of just being banned for a short period of time?

The main reason why scammers aren't banned is because of the possibility of staff members being bias. Instead of having to deal with numerous complaints for moderators being biased, the forum doesn't get involved. If your suggestion was a feature users could abuse this with their alternative accounts and it would cause more problems that it solved.


Title: Re: Tor Tax / Proxy Ban
Post by: OgNasty on January 29, 2015, 06:30:44 PM
35 out of 46 posts in this thread are from the same person: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930934.40

If it's the word "scammers" in my post that you're caught up on, you could substitute spammers.


Title: Re: Tor Tax / Proxy Ban
Post by: Welsh on January 29, 2015, 07:18:29 PM
35 out of 46 posts in this thread are from the same person: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930934.40

If it's the word "scammers" in my post that you're caught up on, you could substitute spammers.
If you see them bumping like that then report it, they will be dealt with. I see the user did it multiple times within 24 hours. Obviously, the topic has been locked now.