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https://www.coindesk.com/research-11-million-lost-bitcoin-scams-since-2009/

How can that be accurate.
Didn't Mt. Gox scam like 400 million alone? Or are all these alleged "hacks" not considered scams.
I thought butterfly labs alone also scammed more than 11 million?

I didn't see it there but is that 11million in current value or what is the value of the 11million?

They claim over 11 million, so they're perfectly right... ;)

ya.ya.yo!

Assuming usd


Lol, well you get me there, I guess they weren't lying

They use this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576337) as reference, I assume the value is so low because they are counting the bitcoin exchange rate at the time of the scam, even like this it seems low.

I understand it was USD, but the price when Mt Gox went under BTC was priced roughly at 800USD and now its priced at 230 USD.  That is a huge difference.

They are not counting MtGox as a scam, it was a successful business for a few years...

They are only counting hacks in going concerns, it appears
Not hacks that killed the business - like MtGox
Agree that $11mn looks low

Time for a research report saying xxxx BTCs in non-scam circulation every year or past 5 years...then we will get a better picture of how BTC is being actually used.

It cannot. What/how they counted is explained, and it is "meaningless by design", IMHO.

Try reading the article:

The Willybot scam stole about eleventy million... :o

and what about inputs.io ?

Yes, its in no way just 11 million. 11 million sounds so less, would be atleast a 100 times that.

The amount is probably 11 million on the total dollar value. I think at the time, mtgox scam had a less dolalr amount of bitcoin.
Also, they might not have considered that, as nothing was proven. But its definitely much more.

huge amount

this figure is incredibly way too low ......
the pirate ponzi alone was alledgedly worth around 60 million usd in defrauded btc from investors

"The SEC alleges that Trendon T. Shavers, who is the founder and operator of Bitcoin Savings and Trust (BTCST), offered and sold Bitcoin-denominated investments through the Internet using the monikers “Pirate” and “pirateat40.”  Shavers raised at least 700,000 Bitcoin in BTCST investments, which amounted to more than $4.5 million based on the average price of Bitcoin in 2011 and 2012 when the investments were offered and sold.  Today the value of 700,000 Bitcoin exceeds $60 million"

http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.VMtqE9KUfsw

I think the figure didn't take into account mt gox collapse. Probably just one to one cheating.  In the first place, did we ever refer to the money that lost in mt. gox as scam in the first place?

Well its relative, for the people that lost the money 11 million seems like a shitload.

the Gaw&Paycoin Scam was even bigger than 11 million. so the real numbers are alot higher.

I have seen it multiple times that coindesk takes bitcointalk threads as reference to create their stories...

Someday the number will be closer to 11 Billion, but Bitcoin will survive. People need to be smarter with their money.

If u consider FIAT scams, I'm sure the number will be much more than 11 Billion.

I agree that people need to be smarter with their cash, but sometimes you have to trust and rely on third parties like when you're sending to an exchange etc but hopefully decentralized institutions will combat these sorts of losses or thefts.

Found on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1q2law/inputsio_hacked_and_shutdown_4100_btc_stolen/

I thought at first that they suggested it was 11 million Bitcoin, and that didn't surprise me.  It surprises me that the number can be as low as only 11 million USD.

Ah well, time to move back to fiat because no one ever gets scammed out of their cold hard cash.

From a very quick google search:
Australians lost $89 million in scams in 2013
Millions of victims lost $12.7B last year falling for Nigerian scams (in 2013)
etc...

Yeah the humber seems really low.  Bottom line is this isn't the greatest thing for Bitcoin to spread.  It is going to get tough to get people involved knowing how much money has been scammed for non technical people.

That many people still fall for Nigerian scams, really?
wtf?LOL!!?