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Title: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Cryddit on January 30, 2015, 09:12:58 AM

I did not save a copy of the original bitcoin paper.  A URL for it was posted to several mailing lists I was on, but the paper itself was not.  The version of the paper now hosted at that URL is - although I can't spot the differences on a casual reading - not the same version.  It appeared a few months later. 

I have sadly been unable to provide the original paper to several people who have asked me for it. 

However, when I asked Satoshi once to make sure we were looking at the same version of the paper, he did send me its hash to verify it, and that email is in my archive.

The magic string is: 

427c63b364c6db914cf23072a09ffd53ee078397b7c6ab2d604e12865a982faa

I mention this because, right now, there is a version of the paper at https://www.blacksheepatorenco.com/bitcoin.html  which matches.

Cryddit


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: RocketSingh on January 30, 2015, 09:23:59 AM
Is not it the same as of the following 2...

1. www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

2. www.coinlearn.org/whitepaper.php


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Throwaway_Acc on January 30, 2015, 09:35:09 AM

I did not save a copy of the original bitcoin paper.  A URL for it was posted to several mailing lists I was on, but the paper itself was not.  The version of the paper now hosted at that URL is - although I can't spot the differences on a casual reading - not the same version.  It appeared a few months later. 

I have sadly been unable to provide the original paper to several people who have asked me for it. 

However, when I asked Satoshi once to make sure we were looking at the same version of the paper, he did send me its hash to verify it, and that email is in my archive.

The magic string is: 

427c63b364c6db914cf23072a09ffd53ee078397b7c6ab2d604e12865a982faa

I mention this because, right now, there is a version of the paper at https://www.blacksheepatorenco.com/bitcoin.html  which matches.

Cryddit


Has Satoshi retired and joined a knitting community?


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: unamis76 on January 30, 2015, 09:50:50 AM
Thanks for the share. Didn't know the version hosted on the Bitcoin website wasn't the original one...

And such an odd website for the original paper to be hosted, lol


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: OnkelPaul on January 30, 2015, 09:55:00 AM
Yup, this looks pretty genuine, even though I wonder why the sha256 hash of the document is mentioned on the web only recently (there's a discussion in the cryptography mailing list http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.general/22386).

The edits between the 2008 and the 2009 version that I see are mostly small clarifications. What I consider really interesting is the use of "broadcasted" instead of "broadcast" in the first version - I'm not entirely sure but to me that indicates that the original author's native language might not be english. I have seen this kind of mistake made by german speakers, but others are probably also prone to mixing up english language idiosyncrasies such as this ("to list" -> "has been listed" but "to broadcast"->"has been broadcast"). However, english isn't my native language either, and it's possible that native speakers make such mistakes, too.

Onkel Paul

By the way, the "CreationDate" attribute of the PDF states 20081003134958-07 for the first version and 20090324113315-06 for the second version, so it looks like the timezones of the creating computer(s) were american. According to DST rules, both would fall into the daylight saving time date range, so this were either two separate computers set up for different timezones, or one computer that was switched from one timezone to another one.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: OnkelPaul on January 30, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
If someone is into sleuthing, he might try his skills on this approach at discovering some info not present in the PDF files:
https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/how-you-will-not-uncover-satoshi/
Apparently, the document ID is a hash of some fields of the document. Only some of these fields are retained in the PDF file, and the article above indicates that you might be able to recover other field values by bruteforcing them.

Onkel Paul


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: kdp747 on January 30, 2015, 10:19:29 AM
@OnkelPaul

I read the document. It was pretty good. Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Throwaway_Acc on January 30, 2015, 01:02:32 PM
What I consider really interesting is the use of "broadcasted" instead of "broadcast" in the first version - I'm not entirely sure but to me that indicates that the original author's native language might not be english.
Grammar rules on strong verbs aren't as strict as they once were. Even native speakers today used "broadcasted".


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Cryddit on January 30, 2015, 05:03:06 PM
Thanks for the share. Didn't know the version hosted on the Bitcoin website wasn't the original one...

And such an odd website for the original paper to be hosted, lol

Remember that one of the first merchants to accept Bitcoin for purchases was a spinner of yarn and maker of Alpaca socks....

Cryddit.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Cryddit on January 30, 2015, 05:19:52 PM
Is not it the same as of the following 2...

1. www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

2. www.coinlearn.org/whitepaper.php

It appears that the paper on bitcoin.org is a lightly polished revision of the original. There are no changes in basic information, but a few sentences are rephrased for clarity.



Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: hack_ on January 30, 2015, 05:31:55 PM
has anyone managed to find the unvarnished paper? there are rumors that a work-up paper exists as well.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Minecache on January 30, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
There must be a clue here in the choice of website to host such a paper. Is the company even petite?


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Cryddit on January 30, 2015, 06:10:17 PM
Grammar rules on strong verbs aren't as strict as they once were. Even native speakers today used "broadcasted".

Way back in the day, when people really cared about such things, misuse of strong verbs was a good way to get your ass kuck.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Billbags on January 30, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Is not it the same as of the following 2...

1. www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

2. www.coinlearn.org/whitepaper.php

It appears that the paper on bitcoin.org is a lightly polished revision of the original. There are no changes in basic information, but a few sentences are rephrased for clarity.



Thanks for the pdf.....here is a couple of Satoshi posts that used to link to the original. They link to new version now.


https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/

http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography%40metzdowd.com/msg09959.html

https://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography%40metzdowd.com/msg09964.html


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Throwaway_Acc on January 30, 2015, 09:59:55 PM
Grammar rules on strong verbs aren't as strict as they once were. Even native speakers today used "broadcasted".

Way back in the day, when people really cared about such things, misuse of strong verbs was a good way to get your ass kuck.
Ya. My teacher used to beat the shit out of me for the smallest reasons.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/36/e3/7e/36e37e799184d4df32c5f22e27d14c08.jpg

But then we became friends. But my teacher blinded my friend's right eye after she thrashed talk him.

https://i.imgur.com/6LmNHYF.jpg?1

So then my friend put poison in our teacher's favorite dish, fish head soup. He ded now.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 30, 2015, 10:39:26 PM
It's different, but the differences is only at email & total page number only.
It is really the original bitcoin paper ?

And what is the connection between bitcoin & knitting ?

I'm probably the only person in this thread that's well-versed in knitting and crocheting. I could easily crochet the granny square blanket on Amy's sofa or knit a dickey for Howard.

BTW, I'm the one who did this: https://twitter.com/FirstWhitePaper


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 30, 2015, 10:56:58 PM
Yup, this looks pretty genuine, even though I wonder why the sha256 hash of the document is mentioned on the web only recently (there's a discussion in the cryptography mailing list http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.general/22386).

The edits between the 2008 and the 2009 version that I see are mostly small clarifications. What I consider really interesting is the use of "broadcasted" instead of "broadcast" in the first version - I'm not entirely sure but to me that indicates that the original author's native language might not be english. I have seen this kind of mistake made by german speakers, but others are probably also prone to mixing up english language idiosyncrasies such as this ("to list" -> "has been listed" but "to broadcast"->"has been broadcast"). However, english isn't my native language either, and it's possible that native speakers make such mistakes, too.

Onkel Paul

By the way, the "CreationDate" attribute of the PDF states 20081003134958-07 for the first version and 20090324113315-06 for the second version, so it looks like the timezones of the creating computer(s) were american. According to DST rules, both would fall into the daylight saving time date range, so this were either two separate computers set up for different timezones, or one computer that was switched from one timezone to another one.

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/1/

Quote
Bitcoin P2P e-cash paper 2008-11-01 19:16:33 UTC


I've been working on a new electronic cash system that's fully
peer-to-peer, with no trusted third party.

The paper is available at:
http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

The main properties:
Double-spending is prevented with a peer-to-peer network.
No mint or other trusted parties.
Participants can be anonymous.
New coins are made from Hashcash style proof-of-work.
The proof-of-work for new coin generation also powers the
network to prevent double-spending.

Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System

Abstract. A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would
allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another
without the burdens of going through a financial institution.
Digital signatures provide part of the solution, but the main
benefits are lost if a trusted party is still required to prevent
double-spending. We propose a solution to the double-spending
problem using a peer-to-peer network. The network timestamps
transactions by hashing them into an ongoing chain of hash-based
proof-of-work, forming a record that cannot be changed without
redoing the proof-of-work. The longest chain not only serves as
proof of the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came
from the largest pool of CPU power. As long as honest nodes control
the most CPU power on the network, they can generate the longest
chain and outpace any attackers. The network itself requires
minimal structure. Messages are broadcasted on a best effort basis,
and nodes can leave and rejoin the network at will, accepting the
longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they
were gone.

Full paper at:
http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Satoshi Nakamoto

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Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: xDan on January 30, 2015, 11:36:42 PM
wtf crazy things are happening in this thread

WHO IS THE BLACK SHEEP?


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: gargantuar on January 31, 2015, 12:32:34 AM
What I consider really interesting is the use of "broadcasted" instead of "broadcast" in the first version - I'm not entirely sure but to me that indicates that the original author's native language might not be english.
Grammar rules on strong verbs aren't as strict as they once were. Even native speakers today used "broadcasted".


"Broadcasted" is correct if past tense.  We have become lazy (or fooled by the idiots on TV) to believe the following:

If it ends in "st" it sounds enough like it ends in "ed" so it is past tense without the extra syllable.  Try it on a few words in your head.

Data are plural.  Good luck hearing that correctly ever again.

Media are also plural.

Punctuation marks always go inside the quotation marks.

Troop is a unit of soldiers not a single soldier. We already had a word for that -- soldier.  Notice the plurality.  Dan Rather may have helped to start this degeneracy into pidginish.  Retard.

AND THE LIST GOES ON!

Lazy, sad, moronic schmucks. Is that what we are becoming?  What can we blame?  Electronics, crap media, wifi, GMOs?


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: OnkelPaul on January 31, 2015, 11:08:24 AM
"Broadcasted" is correct if past tense.  We have become lazy (or fooled by the idiots on TV) to believe the following:

Weird...
As I said, english is not my native language.
This page http://www.englishpage.com/irregularverbs/irregularverbs.html states both forms (broadcast and broadcasted) as possible for the past tense. In contrast, the past tense of "cast" is clearly "cast" and not "casted". This seems pretty illogical considering that the word "broadcast" is based on "cast". Irregularities within the irregular verbs - english is a crazy language ::)

Onkel Paul


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: JorgeStolfi on January 31, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
"Broadcasted" is correct if past tense.  We have become lazy (or fooled by the idiots on TV) to believe the following:
Weird...
As I said, english is not my native language.
This page http://www.englishpage.com/irregularverbs/irregularverbs.html states both forms (broadcast and broadcasted) as possible for the past tense. In contrast, the past tense of "cast" is clearly "cast" and not "casted". This seems pretty illogical considering that the word "broadcast" is based on "cast". Irregularities within the irregular verbs - english is a crazy language ::)

Just note that the second verb in "are broadcast" is not past tense but past participle.  Compare "they wrote" with "they were written".


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: keystroke on February 09, 2015, 09:46:48 AM
I wrote to the Cryptography mailing list looking for the original paper recently : http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-January/024433.html

I want to be sure this is not a forgery.

Could you post Satoshi's entire email here?


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: Mewtwo on February 09, 2015, 09:53:05 AM
Grammar rules on strong verbs aren't as strict as they once were. Even native speakers today used "broadcasted".

Way back in the day, when people really cared about such things, misuse of strong verbs was a good way to get your ass kuck.
Ya. My teacher used to beat the shit out of me for the smallest reasons.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/36/e3/7e/36e37e799184d4df32c5f22e27d14c08.jpg

But then we became friends. But my teacher blinded my friend's right eye after she thrashed talk him.

https://i.imgur.com/6LmNHYF.jpg?1

So then my friend put poison in our teacher's favorite dish, fish head soup. He ded now.

I don't really see a point to this account.. but anyway, thanks for sharing.

Also, really interesting topic. didn't even know there was a white paper back in 2008 about btc.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: keystroke on February 09, 2015, 10:03:41 AM
By the way, the "CreationDate" attribute of the PDF states 20081003134958-07 for the first version and 20090324113315-06 for the second version, so it looks like the timezones of the creating computer(s) were american. According to DST rules, both would fall into the daylight saving time date range, so this were either two separate computers set up for different timezones, or one computer that was switched from one timezone to another one.

I believe this is incorrect. DST started Nov 2 in 2008 : http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2008.html

I agree it is a bit weird the hash is only mentioned on the web recently...

Edit:
So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

Edit: DST ended, not started.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: JorgeStolfi on February 09, 2015, 10:36:00 AM
So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

I don't know whether it is relevant, but daylight savings changes in the Southern Hemisphere (early April and early October in Australia, for example) are opposite to those in the Northern Hemisphere.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: The00Dustin on February 09, 2015, 11:30:24 AM
So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

I don't know whether it is relevant, but daylight savings changes in the Southern Hemisphere (early April and early October in Australia, for example) are opposite to those in the Northern Hemisphere.
That could be incredibly relevant.  It is certainly more relevant than a post suggesting DST started when it actually ended.  I don't know about the rest of the world, but Americans are so confused and/or wrong on DST that I could look like gargantuar does in his post about grammar earlier in this thread if I started ranting about it.  Note that I didn't indicate whether that is good or bad.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: keystroke on February 09, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

I don't know whether it is relevant, but daylight savings changes in the Southern Hemisphere (early April and early October in Australia, for example) are opposite to those in the Northern Hemisphere.
Great point. Here is a map of DST around the world, blue is where it is used : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#mediaviewer/File:DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png

And a map of timezones: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/World_Time_Zones_Map.png

So it doesn't look like DST is used in any country in the -6 or -7 TZ below the equator. (There are no countries south of the equator in -6 or -7.)


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: HarmonLi on February 09, 2015, 02:34:08 PM
I think the most probable explanation for the clarifications and amendments is that he asked someone to proof-read the paper and give him some pointers on things that may not be clear, use some more explanation or are worded poorly. This is how scientific and academic research and publishing works!


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: JorgeStolfi on February 09, 2015, 03:00:40 PM
So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

I don't know whether it is relevant, but daylight savings changes in the Southern Hemisphere (early April and early October in Australia, for example) are opposite to those in the Northern Hemisphere.
Great point. Here is a map of DST around the world, blue is where it is used : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#mediaviewer/File:DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png

And a map of timezones: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/World_Time_Zones_Map.png

So it doesn't look like DST is used in any country in the -6 or -7 TZ below the equator. (There are no countries south of the equator in -6 or -7.)

Well, then he must have changed timezones between the two versions.  Most likely he was in the US, I would say.

EDIT: or he was logged into computers located in different timezones.


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: jeffhuys on February 09, 2015, 03:28:45 PM
Big piece of bitcoin (or even world) history right here. The funny thing is, it's a digital file. It will never deteriorate.
Gives me inspiration to make an online "Museum" of sorts.  ;D


Title: Re: Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper
Post by: keystroke on February 09, 2015, 07:14:23 PM
Might anyone have Satoshi's pre-release draft?

He mentioned it in an email to Wai Dai.

Quote
From: "Satoshi Nakamoto" <satoshi@anonymousspeech.com>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:38 PM
To: "Wei Dai" <weidai@ibiblio.org>
Cc: "Satoshi Nakamoto" <satoshi@anonymousspeech.com>
Subject: Citation of your b-money page

I was very interested to read your b-money page.  I'm getting ready to
release a paper that expands on your ideas into a complete working system.
Adam Back (hashcash.org) noticed the similarities and pointed me to your
site.

I need to find out the year of publication of your b-money page for the
citation in my paper.  It'll look like:
[1] W. Dai, "b-money," http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt, (2006?).

You can download a pre-release draft at
http://www.upload.ae/file/6157/ecash-pdf.html  Feel free to forward it to
anyone else you think would be interested.

Title: Electronic Cash Without a Trusted Third Party

Abstract: A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow
online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without the
burdens of going through a financial institution.  Digital signatures
offer part of the solution, but the main benefits are lost if a trusted
party is still required to prevent double-spending.  We propose a solution
to the double-spending problem using a peer-to-peer network.  The network
timestamps transactions by hashing them into an ongoing chain of
hash-based proof-of-work, forming a record that cannot be changed without
redoing the proof-of-work.  The longest chain not only serves as proof of
the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest
pool of CPU power.  As long as honest nodes control the most CPU power on
the network, they can generate the longest chain and outpace any
attackers.  The network itself requires minimal structure.  Messages are
broadcasted on a best effort basis, and nodes can leave and rejoin the
network at will, accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of
what happened while they were gone.

Satoshi