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I'm new here, only a few months into bitcoin. In that few short months I have learned a lot about the bitcoin ecosystem, its strengths and its weaknesses. Bitcoin as a technology is a great thing, it truly has the power to change the future of finance in ways that have not even been publicly discussed yet, but bitcoin as a currency and a community is becoming a plague that is forever stunting the growth of Bitcoin among merchants and companies. Like it or not, the community is a large part of the bitcoin ecosystem.

The easy solution to this problem is simple. Dont use Bitcointalk.org or /r/bitcoin if your  involved in the bitcoin ecosystem. That's all good and well if you have been involved in bitcoin long enough to know what you need to know and you are simply choosing to participate in discussion and know the other places and websites to get the info you might want in the future. But for those who are not technology savvy, merchants who want to explore alternatives to credit cards or standard merchant processing options, well... They are stuck with this forum. Not because this forum is such a great place to find out information any more, not because this forum is the backbone of the bitcoin community, No, its because of search engines. Take a few seconds, open a new browser tab, go to google, bing, yahoo, you name it. Then search for ___________ Bitcoin. You can fill in the blank. Almost 80% of the time over half of the search results on that first page are links to something on bitcointalk.org and that's a huge problem.

I have spent many, many hours diving into this forum, threads from 4 years ago and threads from today. This forum at one time appears to have been one of the greatest resources for Bitcoin knowledge on the web. As of late, it has become nothing more than one giant elementary school playground. The worst part is for those of you whom are visual people and analytical thinkers, If you take the bitcoin price for the past 6 months, and the amount of quality vs. useless posts on every given day on this forum and graph them, you will see that as the quality of content and discussion decrease on this forum, so too does the value of your precious bitcoin. Long time contributors and Bitcoin veterans are leaving, merchants who come to find out information about the community they would be catering to are choosing to overlook bitcoin as a payment option for lack of wanting to deal with the mentality of what is portrayed as the average bitcoin user, and the only people left in the community are either really thick skinned, or here to satisfy their need for attention most likely as a result of a personality disorder called Histrionic personality disorder (http://psychcentral.com/disorders/histrionic-personality-disorder-symptoms/)  or HPD for short. It is a very common disease to find among people in video game communities or large social media sites such as BCT.org.

This history of not just this forum but documented history of the internet over the past few years is exactly why a “default trust” system is not just a bad, but a horrible idea for ANY social gathering site online today. The default trust system as implemented on this forum, turns this from an online knowledge base and place for discussion, into a video game. There is now a prize that can be achieved for trust farming, use of your skills at manipulating a situation via shills, and alternate accounts, and more easily a reward if you transact with or can get escrow set up with a few people on this forum like Canary In The Mine. Because of this default trust system, this once great knowledge base has become the breeding ground for virtual popularity contests and gaming which would be all good and well if it was not for the fact that as far as search engines have indexed, this is still suppose to be the one stop shop for people interested in learning about bitcoin.

I will use my own experience over these past few months as an example. Not to further the debate and thousands of useless posts that have already been spilled into the database which is Bitcointalk.org, but as an outline that I am sure dozens of you can relate to. (although it will anger and probably cause another 20+ pages of useless posts by those who suffer from HPD on this forum)

It was November of last year, I received a gift from a family member. A paper wallet with 10BTC loaded onto it. I was told to spend it on something. It was his attempt at trying to get me to learn about how bitcoin works. Me being me, a woodworker and and artist (contrary to the speculation of the HPD's on this forum) my first and only thought was, “we'll i'll see if bitcoin can buy me some wood for my warehouse”, and so came my account on this forum, and my very first post here [WTB] Exotic woods from around the world with Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846852.msg9442160#msg9442160) on November 5th 2014. Long story short, within 1 day all 10 bitcoin was gone and I had a lot of new wood on its way to one of my warehouses. Until that day, I obtained wood via brokers and wholesalers. It is expensive and inconvenient as firstly you have to pay the middle man who probably has a few middle men himself, you pretty much had to pay shipping 3 or 4 times as you know they are charging you for the shipping and customs fees from the country of origin, shipping from customs to the mill where the cants are cut, then shipping to their warehouse and finally shipping to me the end user. On that day back in November I realized I could literally save millions of dollars this year re-stocking my warehouses by buying the wood direct using bitcoin. So.... I did. I was buying bitcoin like a mad man, talking with people all over the world, turning that bitcoin into wood via this very forum. People in borderline 3rd world countries were making thousands of dollars which to them might as well be a million just by chopping down that tree in their back yard and having it shipped to me. By the end of December millions of dollars worth of bitcoin had been bought, sent, and spent. Just as bitcoin was intended to be used. Along the way, I had dozens of people contacting me to make them things out of wood related to bitcoin. It was neat and all, but not really why I was here, I did it more so as a way to say thanks and give back to the community that was saving me a fortune by using bitcoin. Because of this, I quickly got a bullseye painted on my back and it was all in part due to the default trust system and the gamers with HPD on the forum. Within 1 week there was over 500 posts which when you look at them are nothing more than the same crowd of guys gaming for virtual popularity, a feud that still carries on today.

Why? The default trust system. It's a video game. Almost by definition its a MMORPG. I cant and dont have the desire to count the number of times battles have been waged over this “virtual points system”. Now, just from my own hired hit (the 1,000+ posts for nothingness) there is yet another debate currently 10 pages long about having the instigator Nubbins removed from the default trust list. Do I agree that he should be removed from that list? Absolutely, Peoples opinions should not be allowed to be weighted as fact as a result of them doing business with someone like CITM in the past. Not just Nubbins, there are dozens and dozens of people on this forum who you can tell after just a few short minutes of browsing through their post history and sent feedback are clearly doing nothing more here than playing the game. Like farmville on Facebook but with trust points. The truth is, removing Nubbins from the default trust list only puts an end to a single gamer here and does not solve the problem. Sure, it would solve my problem, although most of the people he convinced to leave me negative feedback have already removed it and I went from a -618 rating to a -4 he is still one of those 4 that leave me @ -4. But it does not solve the bitcoin problem, it does not fix the problem that this forum has turned into an MMORPG where trust rating and feedback is a game, and the people or gamers who are playing it all carry around a false flag of “scam buster” a job once left to the people who had proven they could handle the responsibility like Tomatocage.  

In summary, the default trust system has turned a once great online knowledge base for all things bitcoin into an MMORPG where feedback is the currency and default trust is the way to game the system. People are entitled to their opinion, I am not against that in any way, but putting a system in place where someones opinion can be weighted because they have done business with a few people on a very short list makes this a game and a perfect place for sufferers of HPD to come to get the gratification they so desperately need like a drug. In case you have missed it, this forum now has more alt's than actual users. The actual users who use to make this place great have left as a result of this online gaming mentality and went to their own, private, invitation only discussion boards, and as a result the information that use to make bitcoin valuable is now being shared and hidden on private sites which hurts bitcoins growth as this forum is all that new comers are exposed to when they are thinking about giving bitcoin a try.

Theymos has already made his millions from this forum, the only thing left for him to do is run away with them like everyone else. He no longer has to care about this forum, it would take less than $1,000 a month to keep this forum online 24/7/365 and he cant even spend the money for a mirror and take 5 minutes to edit the DNS server list to include it in the event that the main server goes down. You really think that he is just going to willingly take the time out of his day to step away from the trans gender sub reddit to address the problem that has arisen here? Not likely, not unless you, the respectable people of this forum petition him to do so. It wont be easy, we all know that what proceeds this original post will be hundreds if not thousands of posts by the HPD's and Gamers here to fight for their virtual popularity points that they have spent thousands of hours trying to game. But it is up to you, the ones who care about bitcoin, the ones who are here for knowledge and the sharing of information to take it upon yourself s to fight for change.

To close:

I would like to announce the beginning of the future of bitcoins community space. I have pledged along with the support of a handful of other community members $250,000usd towards the development of a new bitcoin community site of which development has started  as of February 2nd . Estimated time frame for completion is 6 months and we will be making beta testing announcements within 3 months. More details will follow in the coming weeks. We are NOT taking donations, and are NOT looking for more developers. Our project is fully funded and fully staffed. In the mean time, those of you who really care about BCT.org beyond just being here to game should put a little effort into getting the default trust system removed and restoring this forum to a knowledge base as it has been in the past as it will be the only way this forum will survive through the summer if it does not go offline completely after Theymos runs away with your money for the new platform you will most likely never see.


Let the gamers begin  ::)

Let me get this straight..... you went from not knowing what bitcoin was 2 months ago, to leading a revolution on a new bitcoin forum......


Roflmaf...


You speak like you have been here longer then 2 months.....

....
To close:

I would like to announce the beginning of the future of bitcoins community space. I have pledged along with the support of a handful of other community members $250,000usd towards the development of a new bitcoin community site of which development has started  as of February 2nd . Estimated time frame for completion is 6 months and we will be making beta testing announcements within 3 months. More details will follow in the coming weeks. We are NOT taking donations, and are NOT looking for more developers. Our project is fully funded and fully staffed. In the mean time, those of you who really care about BCT.org beyond just being here to game should put a little effort into getting the default trust system removed and restoring this forum to a knowledge base as it has been in the past as it will be the only way this forum will survive through the summer if it does not go offline completely after Theymos runs away with your money for the new platform you will most likely never see.


Let the gamers begin   ::)

You have been shown to be a SCAMMER.  but you are also a pathological liar and a psychopath, detached from reality.

Bitcoin doesn't need nor want you.

Ohh , fantastic. Keep us informed , it is very great to have more forums to talk about "bitcoin". Good luck.

You should become an builder
because you've built a very nice wall of text.

Sorry b!z, its a painful read i know, but there was a lot to cover

I have a severe personality disorder

I would like to announce the beginning of the future of bitcoins community space. I have pledged along with the support of a handful of other community members $250,000usd towards the development of a new bitcoin community site of which development has started  as of February 2nd .

I have pledged along with the support of a handful of other community members $250,000usd towards the development of a new bitcoin community site of which development has started  as of February 2nd . Estimated time frame for completion is 6 months and we will be making beta testing announcements within 3 months. We are NOT taking donations, and are NOT looking for more developers. Our project is fully funded and fully staffed.

Why don't you sign a message with an address with at least 1,000 BTC in it?

Additionally iirc you make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, your lack of ability to do business on here should not negatively effect your ability to earn a living. I highly doubt that very many people are selling wood on a bitcoin forum.

There is very convincing evidence that you are a scammer and the lack of any trust system would make it much easier to scam. The lack of a system that trusts certain people by default would eventually lead to the scammers trusting each other (which would also make it easy to scam).

Theymos is not going to get rid of the default trust system. He came up with a change in then trust system and it was voted off. The thread is in meta somewhere.

The new forum software is in the final phase. If OP have a new perfect trust system, a lot of people would like to know about it, may be incorporate it on the new forum.

So who are all these loyal follows (aka your shill accounts)? That's a good chunk of money to throw in. But too bad your words carry no weight, as proven with your previous work being nothing but a scam.

tl;dr:

I would think , If you were honest and revealed that you did use a CNC machine . you would have more work then you would know what to do with and the trust system would NOT be a problem for you.... But you chose to take the more shady route and the system has bitten you in the ass.....

AGAIN WITH THE WOOD CARVING, YOU KIDS ARE AS DENSE AS CAST IRON.

This thread is about the default trust system and how community members, (LIKE BG4) turn it into a video game or their own MMORPG to fulfill something they are obviously missing in their life.

For the record, video has already been produced that my works are not done by machine. your trying to whip a dead horse here to steer this thread off topic just as was done last time or any time someone calls out the faults in the system which you guys all spend dozens of hours a week trying to manipulate.

Dude, drop the wood carving thing. Stay on topic.

https://i.imgur.com/wafDtjk.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/wafDtjk.jpg)

I think trust ratings should appear in all subforums, not just the marketplace etc.

your trying to whip a dead horse

your just holding on to any thread

Weird that neither SodaWarz nor WoodCollector have any ability to tell the difference between your and you're

Is it also weird that he cannot manage to spell my screen name right either? like a dozen times now at least.

Did he mention your screen name? No, he didn't. You should keep notes for your socks so you don't get confused.

Tiny text because it's diarrhea, quoted for lels, scroll up to double-check.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.msg10100081#msg10100081

So ...Im trying to understand you correctly....Im a retard remember..... You are petitioning to have the trust system removed....but you have another forum in the works....   


Why would you care to even petition to have the system removed....   when you will have your own forum to do with at will?????


O and by the way    SCAMTALK.com is available ....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.msg10100081#msg10100081

TL;DR, i'll i gathered is.......... ^ has nothing to do with the default trust system and its corruption and use as a video game, and all about your still stuck on wood carving.

ELI5 this statement
 
  the search engines are going to need a few months to maybe a year to figure that out via their indexing algo's.

 

you are not speaking like the woodcollector from last week.... My text Algo detects an Alt is moving your mouth....


I thinks the account known as  WOODCOLLECTOR has been hacked....   

Here we go, lets have a failed attempt at distracting from the facts by using semantics and smoke and mirrors. Anyone with half a brain can look through sodaz post history and find that he has mis-spelled my screen name about 2 dozen times already. But lets just continue to bank on the fact that nobody will check that. Which will be your pitfall.

Just like when Kialara tried to make attempts at proving that i was some other wood working guy by posting photos that he Photoshopped to make it look like they had the same camera data, his downfall was that he linked the site that he claimed to use for those screen shots. It took 2 minutes for anyone with a brain to use that site and see that Kialara was trolling and lying.

Your reputation and credibility have already taken a bad beating over your last bout of semantics and kid games. As such, your position on the default trust list is already in jeopardy.Do you really want to try and keep pushing the issue further destroying your credibility by using things that are easy to prove within 30 seconds? Are you just going to fall on the knife and axe yourself of the trust list? Beyond your little group of shills, do you really think anyone takes anything you have said seriously any more?

None the less, THANK YOU for further proving my point about the default trust system, any further contributions you would like to make to reinforcing my points are appreciated as well. 

And now that the kids have been put to bed, we can move back on topic to the case at hand.

The default trust system has many faults and needs to be done away with for this forum to serve the better good of the community for the next 6 months to a year before it is allowed to chase off every potential merchant that is considering bitcoin we could have. Although we are going to hear a lot of arguments from people on the default trust list with reasons for letting them keep their virtual popularity points, it does not change the fact that it is faulted and damaging bitcoin. 

If anyone is curious, it appears that WoodCollector has replaced/edited the images in his post after removing the exif data from the photos. Lucky for us all, I still have these photos in a folder on my desktop, and I've uploaded two of them if anyone would like to double-check my work. As if any more proof were needed.

Original Images:
https://i.imgur.com/hqpYcT6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iuj4u3G.jpg

metapicz.com: http://metapicz.com/#landing

Also, take another look at the thread posted by Essimo, aka WoodCollector. Check out the images now. Half are oversaturated and half are undersaturated. It didn't look like this originally. And the file names have changed also.

As a new member to this community, I tried to stay out of all of this, but things changed when WoodCollector attempted to throw myself and Smoothie under the bus. For shame.

Who are you planning on coming back as next time WC?

If anyone is curious, it appears that WoodCollector has replaced/edited the images in his post after removing the exif data from the photos. Lucky for us all, I still have these photos in a folder on my desktop, and I've uploaded two of them if anyone would like to double-check my work. As if any more proof were needed.

Original Images:
https://i.imgur.com/hqpYcT6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iuj4u3G.jpg

metapicz.com: http://metapicz.com/#landing

Also, take another look at the thread posted by Essimo, aka WoodCollector. Check out the images now. Half are oversaturated and half are undersaturated. It didn't look like this originally. And the file names have changed also.

As a new member to this community, I tried to stay out of all of this, but things changed when WoodCollector attempted to throw myself and Smoothie under the bus. For shame.

Who are you planning on coming back as next time WC?

I'm shocked, shocked to see more scamming going on... time to add more appropriate feedback.

Did he mention your screen name? No, he didn't. You should keep notes for your socks so you don't get confused.

Tiny text because it's diarrhea, quoted for lels, scroll up to double-check.


Same obnoxious use of super large bold text, same problems with "your"/"you're" (most 8 year olds know the diff), same skipping of apostrophes ("Dont" vs "Lets"), same hopeless cause... yep, must be different users.

Nubbins, the grammar thing was a dead giveaway for me as well.

LONG WALL OF TEXT SHOWING EPIC AMOUNTS OF BUTTHURT ... AND PREVIOUSLY BEING PROVEN TO BE A LIAR, THIEF, BACK BITER, AND SCAMMER.

Awwwwww, look guys, Canary is trying to fight to keep his seat at the thrown. Lord knows the puppet master cant be deprived of control of all his puppets. How cute  ::)

In the words of the "cool internet gamers" Cool Story Bro.

Now to cover your ass you are uploading images with the meta data to suit your false claims. Your a few days late on that one. If that were the case you probably should have shown it immediately if you expected it to have any credibility. I could take those same images and edit the profiles to show that they were in fact uploaded by you with matching data from any image you have posted on the forum. Hell i could make them anyone's images as could anyone who googles "manually edit ICC data"

You got caught, and deserve to be thrown under the bus with smoothie.

i have a 2 warehouses full of exotic lumber

Sometimes in the past i would just throw a drum or two into the wood boiler for free heat.

Nubbins, the grammar thing was a dead giveaway for me as well.

Why are you even worried about default trust if you're building your own forum?

Why are you even worried about default trust if you're building your own forum?

Hey guys this is what I've done since being here:

Create Forum Account

Post about buying wood

Appear to be buying wood

"hand carve" my first bitcoin piece

post that piece up

make more pieces to post up as "hand carved"

smoothie asks me if I laser my work

I say no and show no proof that I do not

...time goes by...

Nubbins calls me out and puts negative trust on my account

People ask me questions

I keep to my story of everything being "hand carved"

I make sock accounts to support my argument

Throw Kialara and Smoothie under the bus

Get called out by smoothie

I ran away from smoothie calling me out as he was right

Keep LazerKing's 1 BTC deposit on false pretenses

People start to ask for videos

I post a really crappy video showing no proof that I can "hand carve" the level of detail in my previous products sold on this forum

Then I proceed to keep using my sock account to shill for me

I post my first video on a domain that TECSHARE owns: hyperfool.com

TECSHARE defends me because we are butt buddies

I lock my threads and post new videso that still show no proof of my claims

Now I want to (ALL OF A SUDDEN) call theymos out

Also I want to create a new forum for bitcoin that will take $250,000 to develop

I will be king of that site and will abuse my own trust system if there is one.

Now I am going to go run away with my family and pretend I have a life.

Thanks guys!

If anyone is curious, it appears that WoodCollector has replaced/edited the images in his post after removing the exif data from the photos. Lucky for us all, I still have these photos in a folder on my desktop, and I've uploaded two of them if anyone would like to double-check my work. As if any more proof were needed.

Original Images:
https://i.imgur.com/hqpYcT6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iuj4u3G.jpg

metapicz.com: http://metapicz.com/#landing

Also, take another look at the thread posted by Essimo, aka WoodCollector. Check out the images now. Half are oversaturated and half are undersaturated. It didn't look like this originally. And the file names have changed also.

As a new member to this community, I tried to stay out of all of this, but things changed when WoodCollector attempted to throw myself and Smoothie under the bus. For shame.

Who are you planning on coming back as next time WC?

I have for sale a total of 9 silverwallets. 3x of each style

Only 3 left

Pricing:

Silver coin: $75 shipping included
Gold plated coin: $150 shipping included

3 Piece Set (1 of each coin): $280 shipping included. $200

Escrow accepted: JohnK, OG, Tomatocage. BUYER PAYS ESCROW FEE

Shipping $5.00 for the last set.

Pics:

https://i.imgur.com/IiBZfWB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/u2D1jPn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/37qAyOZ.jpg

 ::)

This is a piece of wood on Tecshares file server....... Is this a match?????   to woodcollector and  Essimo ??????


Tecshare           http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tecshare.com%2Fimg%2Fwoodback.JPG (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tecshare.com%2Fimg%2Fwoodback.JPG)
Tecshare           http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cashink.com%2Ftecshare%2Fimg%2Fdaleks.JPG (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cashink.com%2Ftecshare%2Fimg%2Fdaleks.JPG)
Essimo             http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhqpYcT6.jpg
Woodcollector    http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fiuj4u3G.jpg (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fiuj4u3G.jpg)
WC from /reddit  http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwXo1n30.jpg (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwXo1n30.jpg)

Random internet Photo for comparison
                       http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inklingsnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2Fdog2.jpg
 (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inklingsnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2Fdog2.jpg)

OMG, you proved it! You proved we both use one of the most popular Canon cameras ever! Clearly 2 separate people could never use the same model camera!

I really like the trust system, without it, I probably would have been scammed 99% of the time that I did transactions. Sure there are some flaws, but nothing is perfect.  But after reading, I did not see anything you suggest to replace this "failed" system in your mind.

Imagine...

An artist so prolific and skilled everyone should be able to recognize him immediately, yet he is afraid to say who he is...  ::)

A man who runs a wood carving business that makes lots of money and doesn't have time to waste, yet spends hours on the computer every day defending his reputation on a forum completely irrelevant to his trade.  ::)

I think YOU are the one that makes it too easy.

by the way those videos were fucking hilariously bad, you look like a child using a chisel for the first time.  I think you know exactly how shitty they were and I think that was part of the point.  I think you like to point out that it doesn't matter how obvious or stupid your scam is.  You are going to keep doing it no matter what and there is always going to be someone dumb enough to buy it.  It sucks that people like you exist but in the end it doesn't matter because the only people you are able to trick with your "art" are people that have deep pockets and no knowledge that they are getting ripped off.  Honestly anyone that bought that garbage deserved it.

this is really entertaining though so please continue.

This is a piece of wood on Tecshares file server....... Is this a match?????   to woodcollector and  Essimo ??????


Tecshare           http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tecshare.com%2Fimg%2Fwoodback.JPG (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tecshare.com%2Fimg%2Fwoodback.JPG)
Tecshare           http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cashink.com%2Ftecshare%2Fimg%2Fdaleks.JPG (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cashink.com%2Ftecshare%2Fimg%2Fdaleks.JPG)
Essimo             http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhqpYcT6.jpg
Woodcollector    http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fiuj4u3G.jpg (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fiuj4u3G.jpg)
WC from /reddit  http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwXo1n30.jpg (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwXo1n30.jpg)

Random internet Photo for comparison
                       http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inklingsnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2Fdog2.jpg
 (http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inklingsnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2Fdog2.jpg)



http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LDcSSRC_KOwJ:www.cashink.com/tecshare/img/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


LETS toss Soda Wars into the Sock Drawer

http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIiBZfWB.jpg
http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fu2D1jPn.jpg
http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F37qAyOZ.jpg

Imagine......

There is no fear of saying who i am, it is just simply that i choose not to associate my RL identity with my bitcoin one. Which is now for pretty obvious reasons.

In the weeks since the charade of Nubbins and Co. started i have spent less than a dozen hours online.

Lastly, your opinions of some videos really hold no weight as far as i am concerned, i would be willing to bet that although you will probably try and argue it, you have never picked up a mallet and chisel in your entire life and tried to carve on a piece of birch. Therefore you have no idea what it should "look like"

Closing, this thread is not about me, although it seems i am quite famous now, and appreciate all the free marketing. This thread is about the faults in the default trust system. greatly demonstrated by CITM with his false 1,000BTC feedback, and nubbins by his lack of better judgment, and well by just about everyone else on the list. 

Imagine......

There is no fear of saying who i am, it is just simply that i choose not to associate my RL identity with my bitcoin one. Which is now for pretty obvious reasons.

In the weeks since the charade of Nubbins and Co. started i have spent less than a dozen hours online.

Lastly, your opinions of some videos really hold no weight as far as i am concerned, i would be willing to bet that although you will probably try and argue it, you have never picked up a mallet and chisel in your entire life and tried to carve on a piece of birch. Therefore you have no idea what it should "look like"

Closing, this thread is not about me, although it seems i am quite famous now, and appreciate all the free marketing. This thread is about the faults in the default trust system. greatly demonstrated by CITM with his false 1,000BTC feedback, and nubbins by his lack of better judgment, and well by just about everyone else on the list.  

http://33bits.org/2011/09/19/digital-camera-fingerprinting/

I'll have to point out that the exif dumps of those pictures share astonishing similarities. The fact that the same software was used to edit them makes things even worse.

Lord, i almost have to feel sorry for all of you, its so pathetic. You spend hundreds, some of you thousands of hours fighting for your virtual popularity. Seeking the approval of other virtual persons and all it takes is one man, willing to poke the hornets nest, to call you all on your antics, the pathetic campaign for virtual approval and every single one of you has to rise up to try and defend your positions. You have to spend even more hundreds of hours trying to defend your points. All the while really only proving that most everything that i, the guy poking the hornets nest have said is completely true.

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Then, Nubbins, CITM, Smoothie, BG4, Hillariousandco, and pretty much every one else who stands to lose their virtual popularity points that they have gamed so hard to get make further attempts at trying to discredit the person, not the facts that the system is broken. further proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the system is broken.

Then, as time progresses, and i poke the hornets nest even more, these predictable little kids will further prove the faults in the system in their attempt at retaliation as such they have already done with TecShare and UKcrypto and pretty much anyone else who dared to stand up to them and call a dog a dog when it barks like a dog.

You've been listening to Techshare's bullshit rhetoric for too long and have taken exactly the same route as him. Funny how the feedback system is perfectly fine whilst it suits you and you're happily collecting those nice green virtual popularity points and we don't hear a peep from you about it, but the moment someone scams or abuses it or is revealed as a fraud, well, you cry hysterically and make it your life goal to try bring it down whilst inventing conspiracy and lies to suit your agenda. I don't think most of us would even care if the feedback system was removed completely. The only thing I care about though is then there will be no system in place for calling out scammers like you to stop newbies from being robbed blind. You're nothing but a childish amateur woodworker fantasist and it's mind blowing that you're trying to keep up this facade of lies which nobody but a fool would buy. You're either a troll or an idiot if you think people will buy your bullshit here. Just leave or shut up because you're not going to achieve anything apart from joining the ranks of crazies like tecshare who nobody has an ounce of respect for anymore.

The writing style as well as rationale sound very much like Techshare so I would infer that there is a possibility that Techshare purchased this account to push his agenda

He won't reveal his true identity...

I am genuinly curious, are the people here really that dumb that they could not figure out who the wood collector is? I am not even a real wood worker and i could tell within seconds who he was with just those photos alone. He has over 300 videos on youtube that are not that hard to find, has had his works published in quite a few magazines including pictures that are a dead give away that him and the forum screen name are the same guy, and is probably one of the top 10 most famous wood workers in the world right now.

One would think that anyone with $250K to drop on a forum would use better tools than the Harbor Freight el cheapos seen in the video.

~BCX~

WC doesn't want to give BitcoinEXpress what he simply asked for... one perfect circle and one perfect right angle.

He won't reveal his true identity...

But he sure cries like a little baby when people do call his bullshit out for what it is.

Now he says he will have another forum developed....LOL! yeah sure buddy...$250,000 worth of development...yup

 :D

That gold leaf on the dark wood sure does look nice.  I don't know a thing about wood carving, but one thing is pretty clear.  You're making the nicest looking wood carved products on the forum.

Awesome job man, looking at your feedback page its like a who's who of immature children on this forum and you have managed to make them all look like morons. I'm a novice wood worker myself and would love to chat some time maybe get a few pointers from you. How much would you charge me to make a new set of handles for my chisel set out of something like purpleheart? That one from your video turned out beautiful.

Keep them going, if they had not carried their antics over to reddit i would have never even known you were in the community. I stopped using this forum almost 6 months ago

Really though one of the most telling things is that no legitimate artist would give a shit about leaving this forum.  The mere fact that woodcollector even wants to be able to continue doing his "business" here shows you what a fake he is.  I assumed originally that he was clever and malicious but he plays stupid so well he almost has me convinced he is just some dumbass that actually thinks he is a master wood carver.  Wouldn't that be funny?  If he actually thinks the garbage he is posting is true.  heh

8: Prior to Nubbins starting his free marketing campaign for me, i was doing good to have made somewhere in the ballpark of around $40,000 in sales to bitcoin clients. Thats measuring from November when i made the first piece for Blazedout419 until January 19th when nubbins started in. Since mid January up to tonight i have made an additional $51,000 in sales. Thanks to you idiots i have made more in two and a half weeks then i could have done on my own in 3 months.

@ElectricMucus


At least your incredible statement is somewhat possible.

 ;D ;D ;D


~BCX~

Note how almost all the people who petition to remove DefaultTrust have negative trust or have been removed from it.

The bias is quiiiite clear.

It is interesting that 38 people voted for the new trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.msg10099503#msg10099503), however only 17 of those people have conducted trades on here before (as defined as having at least one positive trust report that is trusted by my trust list). (I excluded four people because the only positive trust they had was from repaying no collateral loans and for being "a good poster" or because they are a moderator). Of the 17 people, 3 of them likely have sufficient reputation so they would never need to send goods/funds first to their trading partner, so only 14 people who would potentially get scammed if the trust system did not work properly voted for the new system. 5 people with at least one negative trust report (based on my trust network), two of which I know have been removed from default trust list voted for the new trust system.

On the other hand there were 26 people who have traded on here before (as evidenced by either positive trust by someone in the default trust network, or neutral trust from someone in default trust representing they escrowed a transaction).

Looking at the poll results that way shows that scammers were very much against out current system and people who actually benefit from our current system want to continue to use it.

Precisely. Scammers dislike the DefaultTrust system because it makes them stand out, just like people disliked the scammer tag system not for the centralization but rather for the fact it added an obvious marker to them.

Before you were on DefaultTrust, weren't you once really against the centralization of the trust system? you used to have an account called AlternativeTrust with a different list IIRC :D

It seems like the majority of the people who are against the new trust system are ones that are on it, although there are some (including me) who are on DefaultTrust but are in support of the new system. I think the new system will give more users a chance to get on DefaultTrust, the current system isn't very good at doing that.

It seems like the majority of the people who are against the new trust system are ones that are on it, although there are some (including me) who are on DefaultTrust but are in support of the new system. I think the new system will give more users a chance to get on DefaultTrust, the current system isn't very good at doing that.

You don't really get any reward for being on default trust

Tell that to TradeFortress. He was able to use his position on DefaultTrust to gain a really high trust score.

Another thing I REALLY hate about the current system is that if you are on DefaultTrust you are much less likely to be negged by someone else, as they will fear retaliation feedback.

TF was one of the most trusted people on here before the current trust system was even put into place (at least this is my understanding).

I thought that's what Alt accounts are for????

Not at all. He only had one highly suspicious looking lending website. He became "trustworthy" once he was put on DefaultTrust and was able to use it to silence people who tried to express concerns and reward people who sided with him. And when he was taken off of DefaultTrust theymos actually had to rewrite most of the trust systems algorithms because everyones rating were completely broken as a large section of the system had been cut off.


Your alts feedback won't have as much weight.

This is what Im talking about  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=228602

Not at all. He only had one highly suspicious looking lending website. He became "trustworthy" once he was put on DefaultTrust and was able to use it to silence people who tried to express concerns and reward people who sided with him. And when he was taken off of DefaultTrust theymos actually had to rewrite most of the trust systems algorithms because everyones rating were completely broken as a large branch of the trust system had been cut off.

Very interesting. I was under the impression that he had high ratings on bitcoin-OTC prior to default trust being setup.

Using the trust system to silence critics is really no longer something that is acceptable and will likely result in the removal of someone from their position on the default trust network now. There have been several people who were removed recently (maybe closer to 2 but still) for using their position on default trust to silence others. People now also seem to be more willing to speak up about being silenced via negative trust .

Hes not on my trust list, when I click on your trust page I don't see his feedback. Whoever it is is just wasting their time as their feedback has no weight.

That was pirateat40.

TradeFrortress had actually been very questionable for many reasons, I recall one incident where he (allegedly and I'm only IIRC'ing here so I'm sure I got some facts wrong) he had built a site from someone, and then later he found a vulnerability in it so he hacked the site and transferred away all the bitcoins in the sites wallet. He then however contacted the owner and returned the funds, but later on he tried to hack the site again even after the owner specifically told him to stay away. There was also the ripple issue where he tried to point out a "flaw" in Ripple by asking people to trust him with funds on Ripple and a number of users had their bitcoins stolen by other people.

Why was he put on default trust in the first place? It is my understanding that he was actually trusted by DefaultTrust so anyone on his trust list was also on default trust list

I think it would be understandable if he took funds from a site and then returned them if it was vulnerable, that is very similar to what johoe did with the funds in all the vulnerable blockchain.info created addresses.

Not at all. He only had one highly suspicious looking lending website. He became "trustworthy" once he was put on DefaultTrust and was able to use it to silence people who tried to express concerns and reward people who sided with him. And when he was taken off of DefaultTrust theymos actually had to rewrite most of the trust systems algorithms because everyones rating were completely broken as a large branch of the trust system had been cut off.


Your alts feedback won't have as much weight unless it is also trusted, and if it is then you are still exposing yourself to retaliation feedback.

Right. The Trust system isn't really designed to deal with "long con" situations, but it was performing particularly badly in this case. I changed the algorithm to more severely limit the maximum number of positive trust points you can get per month.

(I'm not saying that TradeFortress is or is not a scammer at this point, but someone with more than 30% negative trust ratings should have a negative trust score.)

I also removed TradeFortress from DefaultTrust (early yesterday), so his entire branch of the trust network is now untrusted by default.

I know I have tried different combinations of people and depths to see what happens to individuals trust level numbers....and how going from depth 2 to depth 3 changes some from green to red....... 

He should've just diclosed the issue to the owner. I guess It's kind of justifiable, but the owner told him not to hack the site a second time and he attempted to do it anyway.

In hindsight it is quite funny because it was TF who coded the site.

Depth 3 is fairly inaccurate, not enough people use exclusions.

I don't think default trust had as much to do with him being trusted as you think, I think it's more that people just want to blame someone or something besides themselves for being suckered by him.

And what stops you from laser engraving wood, then doing your own touch ups to cover up you are using a laser?.......

I even fully disclosed that the piece I lasered and posted on this forum had ZERO touch ups.

Of course if I wanted to I probably could remove those imperfections (burn marks, rough spots)...but I don't care to cover up my laser "hand-carved" (:D) work.

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