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Police: Family plots to teach child a lesson with fake kidnapping

TROY, MO (KTVI) – Family members plotted to have a six-year-old boy kidnapped to teach him a lesson on stranger danger because he was “too nice” to people, the Lincoln County Sheriff’s Office said Thursday.

According to the sheriff’s office, deputies learned of a kidnapping in Troy on February 4.

Investigators learned that sometime before February 2, 38-year-old Denise Kroutil approached a co-worker, 23-year-old Nathan Firoved, and asked him to kidnap her nephew to “scare” him. The victim’s mother, 25-year-old Elizabeth Hupp, and grandmother, 58-year-old Rose Brewer, agreed with the plan to kidnap the young boy to teach him a lesson.

The boy’s mother and grandmother did not know Nathan’s last name, only Kroutil.

On Monday, February 2, authorities said Firoved parked his pickup truck by the boy’s bus stop and waited for him to be dropped off after school. Firoved lured the six-year-old into his truck and drove off.

Firoved told the frightened young boy he would never see his mother again and that he would be “nailed to the wall of a shed.”

The young boy began crying, at which point Firoved pulled out a handgun and threatened to harm the child if he didn’t stop crying.

Investigators said Firovfed bound the boy’s hands and feet with plastic bags, then covered the child’s face with a jacket. Firoved drove the boy to his own home, carried the child into the basement, and left him there.

Kroutil, the boy’s aunt, walked down into the basement, pulled the victim’s pants down, and began shouting that he could be sold into sex slavery. She also allegedly chastised the child for not trying to resist her or Firoved.

The boy was kept in the basement for some time longer before he was finally unbound and allowed to go upstairs, at which time his family lectured him about stranger danger.

Family members and Firoved kept in contact via cell phone during the whole ordeal, which lasted about four hours.

The victim told school authorities on Wednesday, who then contacted the Missouri Division of Family Services. The sheriff’s office was called to the home and the child placed into protective custody.

The family members told investigators their intent was to educate the child and felt they had done nothing wrong.

Firoved, Brewer, and Kroutil were charged with kidnapping, felonious restraint, and abuse/neglect of a child. They remain in custody at Lincoln County Jail on $250,000 bond. The boy’s mother, Hupp, was charged with kidnapping and abuse/neglect of a child. She remains jailed on a $250,000 cash-only bond.

The family members told investigators their intent was to educate the child and felt they had done nothing wrong.

When you can't find enough bad in the world around you to show your son, you must take matters into your own hands.

yeah it wasn't 'actual' kidnapping, I don't dispute that, but it was child abuse enough, what kind of shit heads do that to a perfectly nice kid? Especially when you consider how on this very forum people were bitching about what assholes children are.

I really don't see how anyone unless they are total lunatics can justify that kind of treatment.

That's straight up child abuse to me. Leaving the kid tied up in the basement for FOUR hours is way too far.

There was actually a movie, where someone did for Insurance movie.
Man of Fire I think.

The court heard the pair plotted to claim the £50,000 reward money put up by the press for the youngster's return. 

There was actually a recent case here in the UK where there was a kidnapping of a child and it turned out that the child's own mother was in on it, I should probably dig that one up.

Got it! Knew I remembered right!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7733586.stm

the actor's sole intent was to assume lawful control of the victim.

possibly bordering on sexual abuse ...

Especially when you consider how on this very forum people were bitching about what assholes children are.

No-one said ALL kids are assholes, yet there seems to be more and more of them each day because parents either refuse to or feel unable to maintain control over them. Some kids are a delight because they are considerate. Which is no different from how I feel about adults who share the same qualities.

That's my point, you guys act as if all kids who question their orders deserve to be hit for it, I'm going to stop repeating myself now because this isn't really going anywhere, you may think your justified with one or two kids who are acting like total cunts for no reason but what about all the children out there ( Again with parents that tend to be religious ) who see through their own parents' bullshit and hypocrisy and when they point it out they end up getting hit for it?

These laws are designed to protect kids like that, children are have to be one of the worst abused and opressed groups in history among all others purely because of how defenceless they are most of the time and it's about time people started owning up to the kind of bullshit they make them deal with.

Yeah, it's not a matter of if the parents condoned it or not.  It's a matter of a sentient human being taken against their will and that's abduction or kidnapping.

No-one said ALL kids are assholes, yet there seems to be more and more of them each day because parents either refuse to or feel unable to maintain control over them. Some kids are a delight because they are considerate. Which is no different from how I feel about adults who share the same qualities.

Most kids just lack parenting, and its easier for some to on the line with less resistance and let their child run wild.
That kid in question definetly got kidnaped, held in restrain against his will, and that was a big step over the line,
and the thing about situations like theese is that court needs to make an example out of theese parents to minimise risk of some genious repeating this scene.

cheers

BTW, there's no reason to bring up religion in nearly every comment you make. This thread has nothing to do with religion. There's people who are religious that would never hit their kids, as well as there being people who aren't religious which do hit their kids. You're like the forum's opposing force to BADecker, who unashamedly promotes his dogma.

I'd call that kidnapping, what else would you call it? A field trip?

Seriously, you're going to argue the semantics of how long they were tied up their rather than the actual act itself?

I did make it seem as if I was talking about that last part. I'm sorry about that, Talking about the incident as a whole and giving that side information at the same time.

IT's not the right way to teach your child and the child may instead start hating the person for doing it. For me the answer would be an obvious no.

Haha, it did seem like you were saying tying him up for four hours is what made this wrong, like if they had only tied him up for an hour, everything would have been fine. Perhaps you just enunciated it poorly, but I think maybe you brought up that bit about him being tied up for four hours as evidence as to how out of control and unreasonable these people were, not the singular point of what made it wrong.

The problem with cases like these is that holistic solutions are never really possible. People will almost invariably side with the child but what they fail to appreciate is that what's acceptable and what's not is a purely relative thing (here assuming that the parents only had the best interest in mind and that this stunt is not is direct contradiction with the rest of the child's upbringing).
For example, there are tribal practices, involving children, in places like Africa that westerners would immediately condemn. 

This matter is sad on so many levels:

1) clearly the kid was traumatized, but that was obviously the intent of the exercise,
2) the "scaring for life" is shared by the whole family as well as the coworker,
3) the state (via police and DA) is clearly trying to inflict their own brand of trauma and terror on the whole family, and their damages are not just physiological, but financial, and will very likely impact them socially for a very long time.

All of the responsible actors (family and state) went overboard and everyone did so in what they felt was the best interest of the kid, but obviously NONE of it is serving any short term good and the likelihood is that the "kidnapping" in all of its idiocy will likely serve as a far better lesson for the kid then the mass arrest, persecution, and prosecution of his family in an attempt to correct their internal injustice.

Depending how the narrative is written the story is either bad or worse, but the underlined fact is the child was not in any real or meaningful danger.  The intent of the family is clear they were trying to protect their family member.  As more rational and logical minds try to judge the family's foolish they should also hear of all of the child abduction stories to get a better understanding of how their fears provoked such irrational behavior.  

It should not take a police officer, a DA, much less a criminal court judge to see this was just a case of magnificent stupidity.  Unless the family has a history of child abuse this should not have risen above a civil matter (family services).

The wicked irony is through all of this the kid is now truly taken from his family, traumatize for substantially longer than 4 hours, and placed with real "strangers" who actually care less than his family about his actual welfare.  

The bail provisions were additionally wicked, I'd really like to hear the whole story including the back story (family history).

If you just take them to a different house or something, they might never know. Untill they are back