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Title: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: TheIrishman on February 09, 2015, 03:58:18 AM
http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/2/5/1391620519231/HSBC-bank-branch-007.jpg

HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/08/hsbc-files-expose-swiss-bank-clients-dodge-taxes-hide-millions (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/08/hsbc-files-expose-swiss-bank-clients-dodge-taxes-hide-millions)

<< Data in massive cache of leaked secret bank account files lift lid on questionable practices at subsidiary of one of world's biggest financial institutions. >>

US government faces pressure after biggest leak in banking history

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/08/us-government-biggest-leak-banking-history-questions-irs-taxes (http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/08/us-government-biggest-leak-banking-history-questions-irs-taxes)

<< Questions for Department of Justice and IRS after disclosure of leak revealing HSBC's private Swiss bank helped clients to conceal undeclared "black" accounts. >>


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: hetecon on February 09, 2015, 04:19:54 AM
Wow these banks are nuts.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: medUSA on February 09, 2015, 04:27:17 AM
This is partly why EU countries are receiving less revenue from taxes. Accountants have been helping large corps for decades and now banks are helping private customers.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: countryfree on February 09, 2015, 11:49:51 AM
I love HSBC.

This is what a proper bank shall do. Protect the assets of its customers against the evil hands of the nation state.



Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: Sefton on February 09, 2015, 12:18:59 PM
Surprise surprise HSBC yet again. When is it that these bankers are going to start going to jail. Funny how when regular people commit money laundering or tax dodging they go straight to jail but all the bankers do is pay a fine.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: Solange on February 09, 2015, 12:24:09 PM
Surprise surprise HSBC yet again. When is it that these bankers are going to start going to jail. Funny how when regular people commit money laundering or tax dodging they go straight to jail but all the bankers do is pay a fine.

The sad thing is they're above the law. Just imagine all the criminality they get up to that we don't know about. Then whenever it does get exposed they just pay the gov off and everyone forgets about it.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: Q7 on February 09, 2015, 01:31:53 PM
Just imagine if we can convince them to use bitcoins


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: rollingMyCar on February 09, 2015, 01:40:06 PM
http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/2/5/1391620519231/HSBC-bank-branch-007.jpg

HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/08/hsbc-files-expose-swiss-bank-clients-dodge-taxes-hide-millions (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/08/hsbc-files-expose-swiss-bank-clients-dodge-taxes-hide-millions)

<< Data in massive cache of leaked secret bank account files lift lid on questionable practices at subsidiary of one of world's biggest financial institutions. >>

US government faces pressure after biggest leak in banking history

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/08/us-government-biggest-leak-banking-history-questions-irs-taxes (http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/08/us-government-biggest-leak-banking-history-questions-irs-taxes)

<< Questions for Department of Justice and IRS after disclosure of leak revealing HSBC's private Swiss bank helped clients to conceal undeclared "black" accounts. >>

that's interesting!
a bank that helps to commit a crime
and to evade taxes !!!

and especially a bank that does not pay for his crimes,
if there has already been a judgment of a court!!!



Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: TheIrishman on February 09, 2015, 01:47:01 PM
The sad thing is they're above the law. Just imagine all the criminality they get up to that we don't know about. Then whenever it does get exposed they just pay the gov off and everyone forgets about it.

HSBC Swiss bank aided terrorists and crooks

http://www.thelocal.ch/20150208/hsbc-swiss-bank-helped-terrorists-and-criminals (http://www.thelocal.ch/20150208/hsbc-swiss-bank-helped-terrorists-and-criminals)

<< A data leak shows that HSBC's private bank in Switzerland catered to clients seeking to evade taxes and those who were involved in money laundering, financing terrorism and drugs and arms trafficking, according to explosive reports from an international team of investigative journalists. >>

HSBC files: why the public should know of Swiss bank's pattern of misconduct

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/08/hsbc-files-public-right-to-know-swiss-operation-leaked-data (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/08/hsbc-files-public-right-to-know-swiss-operation-leaked-data)

<< Scores of clients of lucrative operation are already under criminal investigation amid claims of their involvement in drug smuggling, frauds and terror financing. >>


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on February 09, 2015, 02:27:43 PM
Lol everyone was in. From David Bowie to super model Ellie Mcperson to Flavio Briatore the guy from the formula 1.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: zlatanBorec on February 09, 2015, 06:22:04 PM
Lol everyone was in. From David Bowie to super model Ellie Mcperson to Flavio Briatore the guy from the formula 1.

ahahhaa

briatore!!!

what kind!!!

he is the principal of Billioner... in Sardegna italy!!!


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: painlord2k on February 09, 2015, 09:41:50 PM
We want the FULL LIST

We do not need a censored, sanitized, homogenized and partial leak just about some of these people.
If they out one, they must out everyone.
If they don't, it become just a political hit job and only the "RIGHT" targets are outed and the "LEFT" targets are protected.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: waterpile on February 10, 2015, 12:34:53 AM
I'm not surprised at all, I do believe there will be always something fishy being done inside the banks. They eventually get away today but in the future they will be exposed for it.. the cycle keeps going on and on..


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: unsoindovo on February 10, 2015, 09:16:49 AM
We want the FULL LIST

We do not need a censored, sanitized, homogenized and partial leak just about some of these people.
If they out one, they must out everyone.
If they don't, it become just a political hit job and only the "RIGHT" targets are outed and the "LEFT" targets are protected.

the complete list will not be never out.
or better,
will be out only if all members of the list,
are far, from the political and administrative bank vertices ...
otherwise, the names that are close to or that are part of the vertices,
will never come out!!!



Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: TXWA on February 10, 2015, 02:30:14 PM
I think mostly all of those banks are in the back not 'serious'
HSBC is just another confirmation ;)


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: st4nl3y on February 10, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
HSBC bank has been laundering money and "helping" customers hide their income for years. There were reports of HSBC being involved in funding terrorist organizations in Saudi Arabia. Then later, HSBC was linked with other bank connected with Mexican drug cartels. Only recently an employee decided he had enough and leaked hard proof documents to several authorities in few countries.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: unsoindovo on February 10, 2015, 07:34:38 PM
HSBC bank has been laundering money and "helping" customers hide their income for years. There were reports of HSBC being involved in funding terrorist organizations in Saudi Arabia. Then later, HSBC was linked with other bank connected with Mexican drug cartels. Only recently an employee decided he had enough and leaked hard proof documents to several authorities in few countries.

i'm interested!!!
can you give us some materials/links to pursue the matter?

many thanks


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: dinofelis on February 10, 2015, 10:17:23 PM
Kudos to HSBC who protects their customers from state theft !

(also called taxes)


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: st4nl3y on February 10, 2015, 10:27:29 PM
HSBC bank has been laundering money and "helping" customers hide their income for years. There were reports of HSBC being involved in funding terrorist organizations in Saudi Arabia. Then later, HSBC was linked with other bank connected with Mexican drug cartels. Only recently an employee decided he had enough and leaked hard proof documents to several authorities in few countries.

i'm interested!!!
can you give us some materials/links to pursue the matter?

many thanks

I heard about this somewhere back in 2010, can't remember where from.

Here's an example from reuters 2012 report: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/uk-hsbc-probe-idUKBRE8BA05K20121212


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: countryfree on February 10, 2015, 10:28:19 PM
Kudos to HSBC who protects their customers from state theft !

(also called taxes)


Thanks for your support. I thought I was the only one here to side with the individual against the mighty.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: unsoindovo on February 11, 2015, 10:53:50 AM
HSBC bank has been laundering money and "helping" customers hide their income for years. There were reports of HSBC being involved in funding terrorist organizations in Saudi Arabia. Then later, HSBC was linked with other bank connected with Mexican drug cartels. Only recently an employee decided he had enough and leaked hard proof documents to several authorities in few countries.

i'm interested!!!
can you give us some materials/links to pursue the matter?

many thanks

I heard about this somewhere back in 2010, can't remember where from.

Here's an example from reuters 2012 report: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/uk-hsbc-probe-idUKBRE8BA05K20121212

ahahhaha...

in the first paragraph i read:

local drug lord referred to the bank [HSBC] as the "place to launder money"

LOL


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: neurotypical on February 11, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
I wonder if Karpeles and friends cashed out BTC and stored the dirty money on there.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: BillyBobZorton on February 11, 2015, 03:09:06 PM
lol, I just saw there was a religious foundation of nouns that had 3 million dollars on there. Everyone is there!


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: VulgusMan on February 11, 2015, 09:24:23 PM
lol, I just saw there was a religious foundation of nouns that had 3 million dollars on there. Everyone is there!

wow!!!

and how that money will be used ??
sex drugs and rock & roll?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: leopard2 on February 15, 2015, 01:14:08 AM
I love HSBC.

This is what a proper bank shall do. Protect the assets of its customers against the evil hands of the nation state.



Well they failed to do that because they let a dirty scammer steal their data and get away with it alive

a nice fat bounty would be appropriate

Now with cryptocurrencies those customers would not be in trouble now. This is what happens if you let someone else manage your "private keys" in this case accounts.

While I don't support the real criminals that had assets there, I would still prefer a water tight banking system over one that betrays their customers. Sadly enough, non-anonymous accounts mean that you don't own the money, just possess it temporarily. There is a good reason why KYC/AML is so important, govts. know that the debt pyramid is going down soon, and want to be able to get peoples's assets if necessary.  >:(


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: manselr on February 15, 2015, 02:10:45 AM
Well if you live in a country where you are supposed to pay taxes and you still use their social security and social stuff like a lot of people on the list do while keeping your money away, then they deserve to be exposed as fraudsters.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: tabnloz on February 15, 2015, 03:05:06 AM
Kudos to HSBC who protects their customers from state theft !

(also called taxes)


The issue is that they get away with something (tax evasion, money laundering for wealthy/drug/dealers/terrorism) when it is an explicit breach of their banking license. Whether they state should be able to enforce taxes is separate. If I evade my taxes, I'm going to the big house. But when the HSBC's of this world do it, repeatedly and for a range of 'undesirables' it is said (for eg by Eric Holder) that is too hard to prosecute them because a) it is hard to pin it on anyone in particular and b) it may endanger the financial system.

What should happen is the top execs are put in jail (even for a minimum of time) and HSBC loses their banking license for that country. Then, that kind of shit would cease real quick.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: oblivi on February 16, 2015, 04:01:51 PM
Well if you live in a country where you are supposed to pay taxes and you still use their social security and social stuff like a lot of people on the list do while keeping your money away, then they deserve to be exposed as fraudsters.

This. Dont wanna pay taxes? thats ok, but leave the fucking country and stop using social healthcare, roads paid with public money etc etc. These that didnt leave deserve to be exposed by falciani as scammers. They are free to live in Switzerland ffs.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: steeveGrube on February 16, 2015, 09:17:03 PM
Well if you live in a country where you are supposed to pay taxes and you still use their social security and social stuff like a lot of people on the list do while keeping your money away, then they deserve to be exposed as fraudsters.

This. Dont wanna pay taxes? thats ok, but leave the fucking country and stop using social healthcare, roads paid with public money etc etc. These that didnt leave deserve to be exposed by falciani as scammers. They are free to live in Switzerland ffs.

i completaly agree...
and i also think that many who could afford to pay for health care,
get it for free...
evading taxes and claiming to be destitute,
This behavior is even more deplorable ...


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: elvizzzzzzz on February 17, 2015, 09:16:06 AM
the origins and business model of HSBC

http://greatgameindia.com/hsbc-bank-secret-origins-to-2611-mumbai-attacks/

“As the opium and other trade with China expanded, Britain’s new territory of Hong Kong became a major imperial commercial center. The opium dealers gathered together to form a bank, the Hongkong and Shanghai Bank, as the financial flagship of the British opium trade. Over time, the bank—now known as HSBC—would extend its reach into the drug fields of the Middle East and Ibero-America, as befitting its role as the financial kingpin of Dope, Inc.”

Enjoy reading while you can. All this can and will be censored.


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: brendan.f on February 18, 2015, 09:06:23 AM
this information is shocking! i didn't think this could happen


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: r.jewell on February 18, 2015, 12:22:08 PM
Well if you live in a country where you are supposed to pay taxes and you still use their social security and social stuff like a lot of people on the list do while keeping your money away, then they deserve to be exposed as fraudsters.

this applies up until you are the one classified as "fraudster".


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: fastBeast on February 19, 2015, 09:04:09 AM
this information is shocking! i didn't think this could happen

wondered?
 :o
thi is just the tip of the iceberg!!!
trsut me...
more the bank is large
and more he needs to compromise with political and insutriali!
and HSBC it is not the most biggest!


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: B.A.S. on February 19, 2015, 11:24:26 PM
Well if you live in a country where you are supposed to pay taxes and you still use their social security and social stuff like a lot of people on the list do while keeping your money away, then they deserve to be exposed as fraudsters.

This. Dont wanna pay taxes? thats ok, but leave the fucking country and stop using social healthcare, roads paid with public money etc etc. These that didnt leave deserve to be exposed by falciani as scammers. They are free to live in Switzerland ffs.

i completaly agree...
and i also think that many who could afford to pay for health care,
get it for free...
evading taxes and claiming to be destitute,
This behavior is even more deplorable ...

Interestingly (a la your comment), there is a movement (slow) that the USG is implementing regarding paying for your own healthcare. On your W2 forms for 2014, you will find a line with which has the total compensation your employer paid on your healthcare to date (if you have a W2 and have company paid health insurance). In years to come, that number will be considered part of your taxable income. The paradigm is shifting.

- It once was a wonderful country where you worked hard and in return the USG + your modest savings would help you out in your older years.

- Now it's becoming a country where you work even harder and in return the USG will use these extra years you're working to pay off the broke system of yesteryear that was poorly managed.



Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: dinofelis on February 21, 2015, 08:33:31 AM
This. Dont wanna pay taxes? thats ok, but leave the fucking country and stop using social healthcare, roads paid with public money etc etc. These that didnt leave deserve to be exposed by falciani as scammers. They are free to live in Switzerland ffs.

Don't use state services, OK.  But "leave the country", that's not OK.  To go where ?  To the moon ?  Every piece of inhabitable land is taken by violence monopolists, whether they are amateur thugs or professional thugs (called states).  In what way is the part of land that I own and on which I have a house, not mine, and I should leave it ?

The problem with taxes is not so much that you have to pay for service, but that the price of the service is (more than) proportional to your economic success.  Yes, I'm willing to pay for state services I value (like police protection).  No, I don't see why the price of that should be more than proportional to my income, why some get it for free, and why others have to pay huge amounts for it.
Yes, I'm willing to pay for infrastructure, for the price I think it is worth (that is, for the amount of money I am willing to pay not to be denied access to that infrastructure).
I'm even willing to contribute a small amount of money to welfare.  Not much, but a bit.
And yes, I'm willing to pay money for insurances against bad times (loss of job, illness, disaster, ....).  But not in proportion (or more so) to my income.

And many state services are just lousy products at huge prices.  Education, for instance.  


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: dinofelis on February 21, 2015, 08:36:14 AM
the origins and business model of HSBC

http://greatgameindia.com/hsbc-bank-secret-origins-to-2611-mumbai-attacks/

“As the opium and other trade with China expanded, Britain’s new territory of Hong Kong became a major imperial commercial center. The opium dealers gathered together to form a bank, the Hongkong and Shanghai Bank, as the financial flagship of the British opium trade. Over time, the bank—now known as HSBC—would extend its reach into the drug fields of the Middle East and Ibero-America, as befitting its role as the financial kingpin of Dope, Inc.”

Enjoy reading while you can. All this can and will be censored.

So HSBC started somewhat like bitcoin :)

Guess that's why I like them :)

(that said, in the link they talk about Adam Smith as a high sea pirate, which he definitely wasn't).


Title: Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions
Post by: elvizzzzzzz on February 21, 2015, 09:30:08 AM
"So HSBC started somewhat like bitcoin "

Who knows what might have happened if DPR had opened a bitcoin bank
and started trading bitcoin?

And yes, the Adam Smith thing sounded strange, maybe the text
got mangled by Google Translate or something ...