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Title: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: Bit_Happy on February 11, 2015, 02:12:19 AM There have been so many UFO encounters/sightings, some from very credible sources, that they become hard to deny.
Is the Government: A) Hiding info that would clearly tell the public that we have been visited by aliens? B) Promoting false belief in UFO's by staging events, including (for example) "amazing things" that Air Force pilots have seen and talked about? Do you think there is any chance that aliens can take human form? http://robrogers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/082213_Area_51.jpg ps. Satoshi was an alien, please do not be afraid. :D Title: Re: What does the Gov’t really know about UFOs and ETs? Post by: username18333 on February 11, 2015, 02:19:38 AM A civilization capable of intelligently interacting with another light-years away from its home is likely to have “a very specific set of skills” (Taken). Denial of base self-preservation (e.g., intercultural military conquest) would be one of them.
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: Chef Ramsay on February 11, 2015, 02:25:21 AM If someone had the balls to drive thru the Area 51 gate and step on it and make a break for the main facilities then perhaps they could get some footage of one of the hangars before you get swooped up and never heard from again. :D That's if they don't send in a chopper after you and blow your ass up.
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: pedrog on February 11, 2015, 02:47:09 AM People in Government positions don't know more than everybody else.
Check Fermi paradox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox) for some good hypothesis on why we haven't encountered alien civilizations yet. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: sickhouse on February 11, 2015, 03:10:52 AM I think a mix of both. We've been to space, so we've propably made contact with an advanced ET race. However things like Area 51 is propably a military base, nothing else.
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: (oYo) on February 11, 2015, 03:19:51 AM Stargate SG-1 is not sci-fi, but
http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/SG-1-S8-Active-Stargate.jpghttp://www.freecomputerwallpapers.net/wallpapers/redemption_stargate_sg_1_wallpaper-1280x960.jpg Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: Foxpup on February 11, 2015, 04:21:00 AM A) Hiding info that would clearly tell the public that we have been visited by aliens? Impossible. You can't hide something that big, or if you can, it would require far more competence than the government is known for.B) Promoting false belief in UFO's by staging events, including (for example) "amazing things" that Air Force pilots have seen and talked about? They already have. Remember the Roswell crash? It's since been revealed that it was a top-secret high-altitude balloon for observing Soviet nuclear tests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul), but for obvious reasons the government couldn't admit that at the time, so they made up the UFO story as a cover-up (or the media made it up and the government just went along with it, which amounts to the same thing in the end).Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: riptide on February 11, 2015, 09:01:44 AM Its hard to believe in something without actually seeing it, But many of us do it. God is one example.
God and UFOs are depicted on TV and the movies which creates a powerful believable image. Title: Re: What does the Gov’t really know about UFOs and ETs? Post by: username18333 on February 12, 2015, 07:14:01 PM People in Government positions don't know more than everybody else. Check Fermi paradox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox) for some good hypothesis on why we haven't encountered alien civilizations yet. A civilization that could intelligently interact with another such civilization would not view a less capable “civilization” (perhaps, speaking from the perspective of one such civilization) as a peer and would avoid it therefor (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/therefor). Title: Re: What does the Gov’t really know about UFOs and ETs? Post by: pedrog on February 12, 2015, 10:21:40 PM People in Government positions don't know more than everybody else. Check Fermi paradox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox) for some good hypothesis on why we haven't encountered alien civilizations yet. A civilization that could intelligently interact with another such civilization would not view a less capable “civilization” (perhaps, speaking from the perspective of one such civilization) as a peer and would avoid it therefor (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/therefor). What we know from our own history is that when a more advanced civilization meets a less advanced civilization the last one suffers immensely, I think we can extrapolate this for the cosmic scale. Don't know how rare Goldilocks planets are, but probably pretty rare, and so desirable, if a civilization with the capability of reaching Earth finds us, we're probably fucked. Title: Re: What does the Gov’t really know about UFOs and ETs? Post by: username18333 on February 13, 2015, 05:40:12 AM . . . (Red colorization mine.)What we know from our own history is that when a more advanced civilization meets a less advanced civilization the last one suffers immensely, I think we can extrapolate this for the cosmic scale. Don't know how rare Goldilocks planets are, but probably pretty rare, and so desirable, if a civilization with the capability of reaching Earth finds us, we're probably fucked. Quote from: Plato. _Apology_. trans.: Benjamin Jowett. The Internet Classics Archive. 13 Feb. 235. link=http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html Why do I mention this? Because I am going to explain to you why I have such an evil name. When I heard the answer, I said to myself, What can the [otherworldly being] mean? and what is the interpretation of this riddle? for I know that I have no wisdom, small or great. What can he mean when he says that I am the wisest of men? And yet he is a[n] [otherworldly being] and cannot lie; that would be against his nature. After a long consideration, I at last thought of a method of trying the question. I reflected that if I could only find a man wiser than myself, then I might go to the [otherworldly being] with a refutation in my hand. I should say to him, "Here is a man who is wiser than I am; but you said that I was the wisest." Accordingly I went to one who had the reputation of wisdom, and observed to him - his name I need not mention; he was a politician whom I selected for examination - and the result was as follows: When I began to talk with him, I could not help thinking that he was not really wise, although he was thought wise by many, and wiser still by himself; and I went and tried to explain to him that he thought himself wise, but was not really wise; and the consequence was that he hated me, and his enmity was shared by several who were present and heard me. So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is - for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows. I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him. Then I went to another, who had still higher philosophical pretensions, and my conclusion was exactly the same. I made another enemy of him, and of many others besides him. (Red colorization mine.)Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: Agestorzrxx on February 13, 2015, 06:39:40 AM There is no UFOs and ET's
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: krigger on February 13, 2015, 11:42:19 AM Want the truth?
Its simple. There is no UFO and ETs. GOV is making it from their own secret projects when they leak out by accident. Sorry for spoiling the illusions. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: michietn94 on February 13, 2015, 01:24:27 PM There is no UFOs and ET's agree with this one. Alien & UFO were created by someone who has high imagination then he decide to make the first movie about it. It attract much people and entertaining on that time. Until our memory program the shape how UFO's like. When see something similiar like it, then he convince that he saw the UFO Title: Re: What does the Gov’t really know about UFOs and ETs? Post by: u9y42 on February 13, 2015, 01:40:59 PM What we know from our own history is that when a more advanced civilization meets a less advanced civilization the last one suffers immensely, I think we can extrapolate this for the cosmic scale. Don't know how rare Goldilocks planets are, but probably pretty rare, and so desirable, if a civilization with the capability of reaching Earth finds us, we're probably fucked. That could well be the case - if we're visited by "human-like" aliens, we're probably fucked. :P That said, just a couple of comments: worlds outside the Goldilocks zone can still have the conditions for life similar to what we know - tidal heating and radioactive decay could help environments keep liquid water outside the usually considered "habitable zone" - Jupiter's moon Europa, for example, might be one such world. So, "Goldilocks planets" are probably not uncommon, though many can still be hostile and uninhabitable for other reasons. But more importantly, one of the problems with having only the example of life on Earth to start with, is that we don't really know how dissimilar other life might be: they might not share our requirements for habitable worlds; they might not even share most of our motivations and incentives; and ultimately, they might be either so alien, or so far more advanced, that we might not even understand what we're seeing for what it is - who knows, maybe they use the Earth, and similar worlds, as a sort of RPG. :D Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: NUFCrichard on February 13, 2015, 02:53:11 PM UFOs do exist and have been mentioned my governments. I don't think they are hiding anything about aliens as I don't think any have ever been here or contacted us.
UFOs are exactly that, unexplained. I guess we will explain them at dome point but people won't believe the explanation. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: RodeoX on February 13, 2015, 02:56:45 PM Show me the money? That's what I want to see. Never in history has there been a discovery that shows life elsewhere in the universe. Show me non-DNA life, or a piece of the space ship made from an unknown material. Until you have something like that the evidence for UFOs is the same as for unicorns.
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: ajareselde on February 13, 2015, 03:21:39 PM There was a ton of ufo cought on tape while cameras were basicaly useless, and now when everyone has atleast 5mpx on their cellphone,
theres no more sightings, gee i wonder why. Furthermore, it was said that even if there is intelignet life out there , they surely wont come and visit us, because we are what we are.. As far as government is concerned, they cant find a missing plane with gps, what makes you think theyre capable of locating ufo's Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: bf4btc on February 13, 2015, 03:30:29 PM Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out.
Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone ::) Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: ajareselde on February 13, 2015, 03:35:00 PM Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out. Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone ::) Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !? Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation, the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: RodeoX on February 13, 2015, 03:41:04 PM Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out. Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone ::) Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !? Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation, the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further. While I find the argument about odds has merit, we really can't say anything about other life in the universe since we have only one example. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: u9y42 on February 14, 2015, 05:32:52 PM Show me the money? That's what I want to see. Never in history has there been a discovery that shows life elsewhere in the universe. Show me non-DNA life, or a piece of the space ship made from an unknown material. Until you have something like that the evidence for UFOs is the same as for unicorns. While I agree with the main idea you present here, I would just like to point out that UFO means Unidentified Flying Object; not alien space craft, though many jump from the former to the latter for no good reason. As such, there are indeed UFOs - that is, events associated with unidentified objects that remain unexplained to this day - very few such cases exist, but they do exist. Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out. Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone ::) Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !? Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation, the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further. While I find the argument about odds has merit, we really can't say anything about other life in the universe since we have only one example. You're right: it is problematic to draw conclusions based on so little information, as is the case for life in the universe - but, in a sense, aren't you doing just that? I mean, you believe the argument he presents has merit, but sort of dismissed it based on an anthropocentric view: not only do we not know what the future holds for humanity, and whether or not it will destroy itself, but also, we don't know if there is good reason for such danger to be common to all advanced species - personally, I think culture has a lot more influence than most attribute to it. Also, just because humans have so far been unable to devise workable ways to move at speeds faster than light, that doesn't mean it's impossible. And finally, there could be life forms whose biology allows them to survive in conditions different to what we have on Earth, effectively increasing the number of worlds that might hold life. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: Wilikon on February 15, 2015, 12:11:40 AM http://news.yahoo.com/outgoing-obama-adviser-john-podesta-s-biggest-regret-of-2014--keeping-america-in-the-dark-about-ufos-234149498.html Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: Jordan23 on February 15, 2015, 09:56:22 PM Who do you think created Bitcoin?
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: grendel25 on February 16, 2015, 08:15:48 AM I always think of the X-files, "I want to believe."
I hope in my lifetime we find someway to discover an extraterrestrial species that we could coexist with. I hope it's that sort of thing and not the thing where they eat us. lol Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: RodeoX on February 16, 2015, 03:06:38 PM Show me the money? That's what I want to see. Never in history has there been a discovery that shows life elsewhere in the universe. Show me non-DNA life, or a piece of the space ship made from an unknown material. Until you have something like that the evidence for UFOs is the same as for unicorns. While I agree with the main idea you present here, I would just like to point out that UFO means Unidentified Flying Object; not alien space craft, though many jump from the former to the latter for no good reason. As such, there are indeed UFOs - that is, events associated with unidentified objects that remain unexplained to this day - very few such cases exist, but they do exist. Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out. Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone ::) Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !? Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation, the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further. While I find the argument about odds has merit, we really can't say anything about other life in the universe since we have only one example. You're right: it is problematic to draw conclusions based on so little information, as is the case for life in the universe - but, in a sense, aren't you doing just that? I mean, you believe the argument he presents has merit, but sort of dismissed it based on an anthropocentric view: not only do we not know what the future holds for humanity, and whether or not it will destroy itself, but also, we don't know if there is good reason for such danger to be common to all advanced species - personally, I think culture has a lot more influence than most attribute to it. Also, just because humans have so far been unable to devise workable ways to move at speeds faster than light, that doesn't mean it's impossible. And finally, there could be life forms whose biology allows them to survive in conditions different to what we have on Earth, effectively increasing the number of worlds that might hold life. All good points. Perhaps our world is an outlier? Maybe most civilizations do not threaten themselves? Maybe most living things require high temperatures and live in stars? The mind boggles. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: Wilikon on February 16, 2015, 04:54:48 PM I hate every single extra terrestrial life form living among us right now. Yes, including you, mister E.T. bitcointalk lover... You all think about this for a few minutes, then realize it is better no ETs have ever lived among us. 8) Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: zezt on February 16, 2015, 09:35:12 PM The government may know something, but we the public know things too. After all there is a lot more of us then of them!
We have all heard the stories of UFOS from people we know and we still don't have any proof. Should we have to say any more? Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: u9y42 on February 16, 2015, 09:37:55 PM I hate every single extra terrestrial life form living among us right now. Yes, including you, mister E.T. bitcointalk lover... You all think about this for a few minutes, then realize it is better no ETs have ever lived among us. 8) Considering we know next to nothing about any possible extraterrestrials, including what their intentions towards us might be, I'm not sure anyone could reach an unequivocal conclusion that it is better no aliens live among us. On the other hand, I certainly see the value in being able to develop independently, and being afforded the possibility of making, and learning from, our own mistakes - though, realistically, not everyone is in a position of making such a choice. At any rate, this reminds me of one of fortune's quotes: "you single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess". :P Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: Wilikon on February 17, 2015, 02:01:52 AM I hate every single extra terrestrial life form living among us right now. Yes, including you, mister E.T. bitcointalk lover... You all think about this for a few minutes, then realize it is better no ETs have ever lived among us. 8) Considering we know next to nothing about any possible extraterrestrials, including what their intentions towards us might be, I'm not sure anyone could reach an unequivocal conclusion that it is better no aliens live among us. On the other hand, I certainly see the value in being able to develop independently, and being afforded the possibility of making, and learning from, our own mistakes - though, realistically, not everyone is in a position of making such a choice. At any rate, this reminds me of one of fortune's quotes: "you single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess". :P I am a huge fan of anything scifi. I'd have loved to have an E.T. as a best friend when I was a kid, having fun in his flying saucer. The fact is those aliens have no table manners. Steak is good. I get it. I love meat. Why the heck would you drop your cow bones the way we find them? E.T. dude! Please! Curb your space doggy if you are not the one doing the eating. Millions and millions and millions of frequent flyer space points and you could not even convert some of them into buying this? (http://www.amazon.com/Tiffanys-Manners-Teenagers-Walter-Hoving/dp/0394828771/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1424138349&sr=1-2&keywords=Table+Manners) Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: u9y42 on February 18, 2015, 02:00:48 AM I am a huge fan of anything scifi. I'd have loved to have an E.T. as a best friend when I was a kid, having fun in his flying saucer. The fact is those aliens have no table manners. Steak is good. I get it. I love meat. Why the heck would you drop your cow bones the way we find them? E.T. dude! Please! Curb your space doggy if you are not the one doing the eating. Millions and millions and millions of frequent flyer space points and you could not even convert some of them into buying this? (http://www.amazon.com/Tiffanys-Manners-Teenagers-Walter-Hoving/dp/0394828771/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1424138349&sr=1-2&keywords=Table+Manners) ;D Maybe that's just the ET pulling a dine and dash on us. Hopefully unrelated to the above, I was just reading an article on NewScientist about a couple of cloud-like blobs that appeared over Mars in 2012. It seems no one knows for sure what they were: they extended well above the surface of the planet, up to 250 km; grew to about 1000 km across; remained there for over 10 days; and there seems to be no clue left on the surface that could perhaps help explain the phenomenon. Source: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26983-mystery-cloudlike-blobs-over-mars-baffle-astronomers.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26983-mystery-cloudlike-blobs-over-mars-baffle-astronomers.html) http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn26983/dn26983-3_480.gif You can see one of the unidentified objects near the top-right portion of the image - in this case, the planet's southern hemisphere. And again in the following image: http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn26983/dn26983-1_1200.jpg Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: btcjoin14 on February 18, 2015, 02:58:46 AM "UFO enthusiast John Greenewald has spent nearly two decades filing Freedom of Information Act requests for the government's files on UFOs and other phenomena. On Jan. 12, Greenewald posted the Blue Book files — as well as files on Blue Book's 1940s-era predecessors, Project Sign and Project Grudge — on his online database, The Black Vault.
Project Blue Book was based at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. Between 1947 and 1969, the Air Force recorded 12,618 sightings of strange phenomena -- 701 of which remain "unidentified." Short summary here: http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/tech/2015/01/17/air-force-ufo-files/21812539/ And here is the actual vault: http://projectbluebook.theblackvault.com/ Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: Hazir on February 18, 2015, 04:02:16 AM Don't you think that these intentional leaks - telling general public some misty facts about Project Blue Book, providing scraps of useless informations and facts are leading not to uncover the truth about UFO but to confuse and baffle general public? I've got to say that after all these years we now nothing for sure, there are only more questions.
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: bassclef on February 18, 2015, 04:49:09 AM We may not be alone, but the universe is so old that Earth's time is but a brief moment. Similar intelligent civilizations have probably existed, but if it was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, we will never know them. Even if a civilization has survived long enough to master space travel, the chance that our time periods and galactic proximity line up is extremely low.
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: username18333 on February 19, 2015, 03:30:36 AM “The Kepler Mission, NASA Discovery mission #10 (http://discovery.nasa.gov/kepler.html),” (United States [NASA]) has already observed planets (http://kepler.nasa.gov/Mission/discoveries/) that are similar to earth well before Homo sapiens sapiens or a descendant thereof, organic or inorganic, “master[ed] space travel” (bassclef).
http://kepler.nasa.gov/images/mws/FlightSgmntBodypointLbld.jpg “Kepler [Non-Diametric] Spacecraft and Photometer” (United States [NASA]) Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: DLCseller on February 19, 2015, 07:35:15 AM Aliens are like zombies, they are just fiction and appears in so many movies.
UFO = Unidentified Flying Object UFOs arent always spaceship. If aliens are real, then Earth should been raided by them by now. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: crypto97 on February 19, 2015, 07:56:34 AM I think Aliens exist in our mines now. Thanks to television and movies. It has become a self propagating ideology which will never fade irregardless of and concrete proof.
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: username18333 on February 19, 2015, 09:10:59 PM Aliens are like zombies, they are just fiction and appears in so many movies. (Red colorization mine.)UFO = Unidentified Flying Object UFOs arent always spaceship. If aliens are real, then Earth should been raided by them by now. A civilization capable of interstellar travel would have long since desisted in “raid[ing]” (DLCseller), for, had it not, it would have undermined its own development the capability thereby. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: zezt on February 19, 2015, 10:17:54 PM You know what they say, " seeing is believing" The rest is up to our imaginations!
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: username18333 on February 19, 2015, 10:24:42 PM Quote from: Merriam-Webster, Inc. “solipsism.” 19 Feb. 235. link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/solipsism : a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing; also : extreme egocentrism It could also be said that everything that is not oneself is imagined thereby. Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: pedrog on February 19, 2015, 11:05:37 PM I think Aliens exist in our mines now. Thanks to television and movies. It has become a self propagating ideology which will never fade irregardless of and concrete proof. Oh, that's how bitcoin hashing works, super-intelligent aliens making really fast math calculations, who would know bitcoin mines are filled with aliens... :D Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: pereira4 on February 21, 2015, 12:52:31 AM I dont believe in the Area 51 thing, I dont think they are keeping anything alien on there ffs... some guys watch too many movies.
Title: Re: What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's? Post by: notbatman on February 21, 2015, 01:58:55 AM The "government" knows that it can use aliens and UFOs as cover for their lies and scams.
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