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Title: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: Chef Ramsay on February 11, 2015, 03:59:37 AM Quote Bloomberg responded that conventional wisdom points to education, but education isn’t going to help uneducated adults. Bradley later asked how government can offer basic fairness to the children “who have been failed.” Bloomberg claimed that 95 percent of murders fall into a specific category: male, minority and between the ages of 15 and 25. Cities need to get guns out of this group’s hands and keep them alive, he said. “These kids think they’re going to get killed anyway because all their friends are getting killed,” Bloomberg said. “They just don’t have any long-term focus or anything. It’s a joke to have a gun. It’s a joke to pull a trigger.” At one point, the former mayor brought up New York City’s stop-and-frisk practices, which gained national attention in 2011. Bloomberg said that during his last year in office, a minister at a Baptist church in Harlem invited him to speak. “While I’m sitting there waiting for him to introduce me, he said to his congregation, ‘You know, if every one of you stopped and frisked your kid before they went out at night, the mayor wouldn’t have to do it,’” Bloomberg said. “And so I knew I was going to be okay with that audience.” More...http://www.aspentimes.com/news/14957190-113/michael-bloomberg-calls-colorados-decision-on-legal-pot-stupid (http://www.aspentimes.com/news/14957190-113/michael-bloomberg-calls-colorados-decision-on-legal-pot-stupid) Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: saddampbuh on February 11, 2015, 09:02:16 AM you don'thave a gun problem you have a minority problem
Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: BitCoinNutJob on February 11, 2015, 09:47:23 AM you don'thave a gun problem you have a minority problem True that, its all socio economoics. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: Snail2 on February 11, 2015, 09:58:54 AM you don'thave a gun problem you have a minority problem Well, I think this problem have some deeper roots then simply being a meber of certain minorities. Too many criminals in a society indicates fundamental problems with the whole society. Perhaps forcibly recruiting such blokes into the President's own Forlorn Hope Rifles division and deploy them against the ISIS or Boko Haram would solve this issue. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: cheekychap on February 11, 2015, 12:15:43 PM Quote Bloomberg responded that conventional wisdom points to education, but education isn’t going to help uneducated adults. Bradley later asked how government can offer basic fairness to the children “who have been failed.” Bloomberg claimed that 95 percent of murders fall into a specific category: male, minority and between the ages of 15 and 25. Cities need to get guns out of this group’s hands and keep them alive, he said. “These kids think they’re going to get killed anyway because all their friends are getting killed,” Bloomberg said. “They just don’t have any long-term focus or anything. It’s a joke to have a gun. It’s a joke to pull a trigger.” At one point, the former mayor brought up New York City’s stop-and-frisk practices, which gained national attention in 2011. Bloomberg said that during his last year in office, a minister at a Baptist church in Harlem invited him to speak. “While I’m sitting there waiting for him to introduce me, he said to his congregation, ‘You know, if every one of you stopped and frisked your kid before they went out at night, the mayor wouldn’t have to do it,’” Bloomberg said. “And so I knew I was going to be okay with that audience.” More...http://www.aspentimes.com/news/14957190-113/michael-bloomberg-calls-colorados-decision-on-legal-pot-stupid (http://www.aspentimes.com/news/14957190-113/michael-bloomberg-calls-colorados-decision-on-legal-pot-stupid) I think thats good news . atleast brings down the crime rate through it. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: neoneros on February 11, 2015, 01:32:34 PM Segregation is still the big issue, these kind of 'rules' only drive the segregation and make things worse, it is a negative spiral and adding to the negativity only makes it spiral down harder.
Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: bitgeek on February 11, 2015, 01:37:37 PM you don'thave a gun problem you have a minority problem Well, I think this problem have some deeper roots then simply being a meber of certain minorities. Too many criminals in a society indicates fundamental problems with the whole society. Perhaps forcibly recruiting such blokes into the President's own Forlorn Hope Rifles division and deploy them against the ISIS or Boko Haram would solve this issue. You can restrict their gun access, but this won't solve the big problem. If somebody wants to commit a crime he'll steal a gun, borrow it, make it, or simply use a machete or a knife like that black guy in Britain. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/23/article-2329089-19F1FAAA000005DC-790_634x476.jpg It reminds me of the problem with Gypsies in Europe. They are known to be lazy and steal stuff, so nobody wants to hire them, which forces them to turn to crime and steal even more. Even those, who are honest are forced into the life of crime by everyone around them, and when they actually do, people just nod their heads saying "I knew it, they were pretending, but true nature always wins, all of them are thieves, period". Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: Snail2 on February 11, 2015, 02:06:10 PM You can restrict their gun access, but this won't solve the big problem. If somebody wants to commit a crime he'll steal a gun, borrow it, make it, or simply use a machete or a knife like that black guy in Britain. That's true. This is why all states should liberalize firearm access for "trustworthy" citizens and restrict for "dangerous" groups. Quote It reminds me of the problem with Gypsies in Europe. They are known to be lazy and steal stuff, so nobody wants to hire them, which forces them to turn to crime and steal even more. Even those, who are honest are forced into the life of crime by everyone around them, and when they actually do, people just nod their heads saying "I knew it, they were pretending, but true nature always wins, all of them are thieves, period". Actually in the last 400 years the majority of the gypsies never ever had any intention to do anything else then trickery and theft. They think work is something for the gadjos (means peasants or impure) and gypsies have to outsmart them. So they don't need too much force to turn them to crime. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: Tarantino on February 11, 2015, 04:48:17 PM 15-year-old kids can own guns? Why is it you can't drink till you're 21 but can own a gun? Ridiculous.
Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: SirChiko on February 11, 2015, 05:06:09 PM 15-year-old kids can own guns? Why is it you can't drink till you're 21 but can own a gun? Ridiculous. Is that true? This should have been forbidden long time ago already not just now! Also why aren't proper pschychotests involved, i mean like really strict ones. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: RodeoX on February 11, 2015, 05:15:34 PM 15-year-old kids can own guns? Why is it you can't drink till you're 21 but can own a gun? Ridiculous. Is that true? This should have been forbidden long time ago already not just now! Also why aren't proper pschychotests involved, i mean like really strict ones. I got my first gun at 10. Which is typical for the place I grew up. Guess how many murders I have committed as a result? Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: cryptocoiner on February 11, 2015, 06:15:38 PM Quote Bloomberg responded that conventional wisdom points to education, but education isn’t going to help uneducated adults. Bradley later asked how government can offer basic fairness to the children “who have been failed.” Bloomberg claimed that 95 percent of murders fall into a specific category: male, minority and between the ages of 15 and 25. Cities need to get guns out of this group’s hands and keep them alive, he said. “These kids think they’re going to get killed anyway because all their friends are getting killed,” Bloomberg said. “They just don’t have any long-term focus or anything. It’s a joke to have a gun. It’s a joke to pull a trigger.” At one point, the former mayor brought up New York City’s stop-and-frisk practices, which gained national attention in 2011. Bloomberg said that during his last year in office, a minister at a Baptist church in Harlem invited him to speak. “While I’m sitting there waiting for him to introduce me, he said to his congregation, ‘You know, if every one of you stopped and frisked your kid before they went out at night, the mayor wouldn’t have to do it,’” Bloomberg said. “And so I knew I was going to be okay with that audience.” More...http://www.aspentimes.com/news/14957190-113/michael-bloomberg-calls-colorados-decision-on-legal-pot-stupid (http://www.aspentimes.com/news/14957190-113/michael-bloomberg-calls-colorados-decision-on-legal-pot-stupid) Well, homicide rate in USA still relatively lower than in many other countryes. For example, in Russia it's 3 times higher than in America. In Russia you can't own a gun, its forbidden. Also in texas there is a lowest homicide rate from all the states. And you can own and carry a gun in texas. So guns is not a problem. Society is a problem. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: najzenmajsen on February 11, 2015, 06:29:20 PM whew , the more and more i read this section of bitcointalk , i learn that USA is a really weird place.
Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: bitgeek on February 11, 2015, 06:34:52 PM @Snail2 - well said, nothing to add.
Well, homicide rate in USA still relatively lower than in many other countryes. For example, in Russia it's 3 times higher than in America. In Russia you can't own a gun, its forbidden. Also in texas there is a lowest homicide rate from all the states. And you can own and carry a gun in texas. So guns is not a problem. Society is a problem. You're wrong. http://rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/ In an amendment to its tough gun control laws, the Russian government eases restrictions, allowing citizens to carry licensed weapons for the purposes of ‘self-defense.’ Until now Russian gun enthusiasts were only permitted to carry firearms for hunting or target shooting after obtaining a license through the Interior Ministry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Russia An individual cannot possess more than ten guns unless part of a registered gun collection, guns that shoot in bursts and have more than a ten-cartridge capacity are prohibited. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: SirChiko on February 11, 2015, 06:40:48 PM 15-year-old kids can own guns? Why is it you can't drink till you're 21 but can own a gun? Ridiculous. Is that true? This should have been forbidden long time ago already not just now! Also why aren't proper pschychotests involved, i mean like really strict ones. I got my first gun at 10. Which is typical for the place I grew up. Guess how many murders I have committed as a result? May you disclose the place please? Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: RodeoX on February 11, 2015, 06:48:35 PM 15-year-old kids can own guns? Why is it you can't drink till you're 21 but can own a gun? Ridiculous. Is that true? This should have been forbidden long time ago already not just now! Also why aren't proper pschychotests involved, i mean like really strict ones. I got my first gun at 10. Which is typical for the place I grew up. Guess how many murders I have committed as a result? May you disclose the place please? .410 shotgun. It's quite real and quite deadly. Still it's a good gun for learning. It is a single shot long gun. I did not get a repeating rifle until I was 12-13. And was not allowed to own my own handgun until I was 16. However I started shooting them at about 8. Again, that was not weird where i grew up. I really did not know any kids without guns. The most important thing I learned was how to be safe with firearms. That is emphasized over and over again in youth shooting. I now shoot about 200 rounds a week; pistol and precision rifle mostly. It's what I do to relax. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: PolarPoint on February 11, 2015, 08:03:43 PM You cannot pass a law that involves discrimination. No guns for BLACK males and no guns for black MALES. It should be no guns for 15 to 25 and that is it.
Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: MrTeal on February 11, 2015, 09:03:39 PM Read the article more critically. Bloomberg isn't advocating some kind of law banning black 15-25yr olds from buying guns. They obviously already have them, and as people here have said a law being passed won't change that anyway. He's saying that cities need to work to get guns off the street and keep that demographic safe.
Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: BADecker on February 12, 2015, 10:56:09 AM The problem with this whole idea is that, if we take guns away from black males, we are really harming ourselves. What we are really doing, is simply relieving the country of guns altogether, one group of people at a time.
The better alternative would be to supply black males with guns, and to require everyone else to protect themselves with guns. This would cause the bad blacks (and whites) to either become good, or become dead, from the rest of the populace protecting themselves. It would also mean that people would be more apt to take responsibility for their lives, more readily protecting themselves from bad cops and bad government officials. :) Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: cryptocoiner on February 12, 2015, 05:58:56 PM @Snail2 - well said, nothing to add. Well, homicide rate in USA still relatively lower than in many other countryes. For example, in Russia it's 3 times higher than in America. In Russia you can't own a gun, its forbidden. Also in texas there is a lowest homicide rate from all the states. And you can own and carry a gun in texas. So guns is not a problem. Society is a problem. You're wrong. http://rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/ In an amendment to its tough gun control laws, the Russian government eases restrictions, allowing citizens to carry licensed weapons for the purposes of ‘self-defense.’ Until now Russian gun enthusiasts were only permitted to carry firearms for hunting or target shooting after obtaining a license through the Interior Ministry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Russia An individual cannot possess more than ten guns unless part of a registered gun collection, guns that shoot in bursts and have more than a ten-cartridge capacity are prohibited. I mean a handgun. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: Possum577 on February 12, 2015, 06:31:16 PM Quote Bloomberg responded that conventional wisdom points to education, but education isn’t going to help uneducated adults. Bradley later asked how government can offer basic fairness to the children “who have been failed.” Bloomberg claimed that 95 percent of murders fall into a specific category: male, minority and between the ages of 15 and 25. Cities need to get guns out of this group’s hands and keep them alive, he said. “These kids think they’re going to get killed anyway because all their friends are getting killed,” Bloomberg said. “They just don’t have any long-term focus or anything. It’s a joke to have a gun. It’s a joke to pull a trigger.” At one point, the former mayor brought up New York City’s stop-and-frisk practices, which gained national attention in 2011. Bloomberg said that during his last year in office, a minister at a Baptist church in Harlem invited him to speak. “While I’m sitting there waiting for him to introduce me, he said to his congregation, ‘You know, if every one of you stopped and frisked your kid before they went out at night, the mayor wouldn’t have to do it,’” Bloomberg said. “And so I knew I was going to be okay with that audience.” More...http://www.aspentimes.com/news/14957190-113/michael-bloomberg-calls-colorados-decision-on-legal-pot-stupid (http://www.aspentimes.com/news/14957190-113/michael-bloomberg-calls-colorados-decision-on-legal-pot-stupid) Chef, you dummy, this link doesn't take us to the article only the headline...stop masking your personal views behind news articles. Title: Re: No Guns For Black Males 15 to 25 - USA Post by: bitgeek on February 13, 2015, 12:01:02 AM @Snail2 - well said, nothing to add. Well, homicide rate in USA still relatively lower than in many other countryes. For example, in Russia it's 3 times higher than in America. In Russia you can't own a gun, its forbidden. Also in texas there is a lowest homicide rate from all the states. And you can own and carry a gun in texas. So guns is not a problem. Society is a problem. You're wrong. http://rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/ In an amendment to its tough gun control laws, the Russian government eases restrictions, allowing citizens to carry licensed weapons for the purposes of ‘self-defense.’ Until now Russian gun enthusiasts were only permitted to carry firearms for hunting or target shooting after obtaining a license through the Interior Ministry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Russia An individual cannot possess more than ten guns unless part of a registered gun collection, guns that shoot in bursts and have more than a ten-cartridge capacity are prohibited. I mean a handgun. You are of course allowed to have a handgun. Don't tell me you thought that allowing citizens to carry licensed weapons for the purposes of ‘self-defense.’ apply only to hunting rifles. ::) |
