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We don't have all the information, and I'd avoid leaping to conclusions until you know more. Personally I'm staying out of this as I'm not qualified to make judgements and adequate people are already involved.

Here's an extract from an article (http://bitcoinmedia.com/the-future-cannot-exist-without-the-past/) I wrote:

So ?

Arent you qualified to contact authorities, police, attorney, on the behalf of bitcoinica ?

No informal investigation can ever uncover all the information.  If no formal investigation takes place, then - for better or worse - this whole affair is going to be judged on limited facts in the court of public opinion.

The strongest indication that one or more of the Bitcoinica hacks were inside jobs is that you, Patrick and/or Donald have not filed a police report.

Currently I consider the only unknown to be exactly who were in on it. Feel free to let us know how and why the source code got released btw, since that was the trigger needed to claim the latest "hack" :)

Actually, the 700 reports (not lawsuits) were over the previous decade.

The coffee was not served over 90 degrees, it was less than 85, and it is served even hotter today at Starbucks.

She sued for millions and millions in damages, and the jury would have given her 2.9 million, but the judge reduced it to $640,000, and the case settled for something more than a half million.

Courts since have routinely rejected the claim that coffee is unreasonably dangerous. McDonalds lost mostly because an executive came off as a jackass.

Still waiting to hear why this matter hasnt been reported to the police by the principals.

They have to wait until their coffee is less hot.

+1

OK, genjix. We will leave Zhou Tong be for now.

Let's talk about the Bitcoinica source code you leaked.

Care to explain the above?

^ This

davout, I'm having a dejá vu...

That's easy. Someone hacked genjix' VPS.

But why they haven't involved the police is still a mystery to me.

Is your (user)name genjix?

Care to explain why I should care about what you think?

I didn't ask the question to you, why would I care about any speculation that comes out of your mouth?

You lost a great oportunity to keep your mouth shut.

I've been wondering about this. Did you (genjix) leak the entire bitcoinica source code? If so, why?

Genjix is probably not talking because "he stopped yapping and got lawyered up."

Sorry, I don't believe in that.
The concern was first brought up on July 13. He yapped a lot after that date, even to the point of posting the communications he had with Mr. Seale. He carefully avoided answering about the source code leak that points to him.

Funny how those very same advocates for this being the "Wild Electronic Frontier" and are all for unregulated freedom to conduct business pretty much any which way they want, all become solid Establishment proles when the worm turns against them.

Not a kangaroo court, but you are shocked when people expect you to follow through on your statements?

Innocent until proven guilty, yet by your own admissions you have not followed any other legal requirement in terms of professional practice, business registration, dispute resolution of fiduciary responsibility?

Not a kangaroo court, but you expect the entire world to abide by your random acts of business ethics, contradictory shell game of ownership, and extend you the ability to just walk away from tens of thousands of dollars in value that you assumed IN TRUST?

Innocent until proven guilty, but you hide behind a fabric on lies, non-communication and outright fabrication when confronted with any factual consideration about your actions, and run to find someone else to blame as the "responsible party" in your organization.

Sorry genny old sport, but you can only have one set of rules to play this game. You either follow the path of law and order and full disclosure- in which case you reported this to the authorities months ago when it first happened, and are using your business insurance to make good on all claims, or you want to play cash money big shot playa in the unregulated world, and you take the consequences of dealing with equally unrestricted, and possibly not quite socially restrained victims of your unethical acts.

Hope you are lawyered up with a good one, and a flak vest. You have pissed in the wrong bowl of breakfast cereal.

Excuse me but where is the problem here? Coffee must be HOT, it's made with boiling water, of course it's 90 degree celsius or more!

Americans, they think their shit is coffee and when someone give them real coffee they go to hospital and sue them  :-\

"Selling my name - 2000 BTC:"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2655.0

"Selling myself."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2604.0

Would these still be viable options to cover the funds lost in the 'hacks' ?

You wonder, yet complain nevertheless. I am afraid you have to resolve this dichotomy yourself.

I don't always address confused statements, but when I do, I prefer to point out the obvious.

Stop making a fool of yourself. We all know the Bitcoin Consultancy invited you to talk at the London conference.
Did they also hired you to be their spokesman on all other matters?

Why start a thread only to say : "Personally I'm staying out of this" while it has been Intersango's status-quo for the last 2 months ?

This empty statement is only adding gas to the fire.

The only similarity I found with your McDonald case is that I'd like more than the price of the coffee refunded. And I'd expect that compensation to come from all negligent parties involved.

PS : I have 32 page of new comments about this to go through, What make you think I'd want to read about a McDonald Coffee spill ?

I appreciate your advice, but I believe I am perfectly capable of handling myself.

Bitcoin Consultancy did not invite me, I applied. I have been working on economic research of Bitcoin for over a year. I know genjix from previous Bitcoin meeting/conference so I suppose that might make it a bit easier to apply. From there I also remember genjix talking about his setup, that he stores all his data on one VPS.

However, my relationship with genjix has exactly zero effect on my relationship with Bitcoinica, as I'm one of the biggest Bitcoinica creditors who got nothing back so far.

I am not associated with Bitcoinica. I am actually member of the Bitcoinica Fund Recovery Initiative (http://www.bitcoinica-recovery.org), a group of creditors attempting to get their deposits back.

However, I am also someone with the urge to point out errors and biases in other people's claims. I can be pretty stubborn and persistent about this.

Genjix, what is Bitcoinica LP doing in all of this? It seems it is possible to recover the majority of funds lost in the last MtGox compromise. Bitcoinica owes it to their customers to make the utmost effort to retrieve these funds which now seem within reach. Please tell me that 'adequate people' includes Bitcoinica LP representatives. So far I have only seen Patrick post funny youtube videos to the statement thread from AurumXchange, MtGox and BitInstant which is aggrevating as a Bitcoinica Customer that has over 30K locked up in Bitcoinica for the last 2.5 months.

you are wrong!
this is a kangaroo court!
you are guity to proven otherwise.
this it not some highly ethical lawyer shit.
this is angry people who think you have stolen their money.
this is the gun-or-bat people, who does not trust in the any legal system, calling themselves anarchists.
these anarchistic people, will hurt you, if you don't give them their money back.

bitcoin gained popularity not among lawyers, politicians, and highly moral people.
bitcoin gained popularity among people with guns, people who does not respect the law, drugdealers, and other people who can hurt you.

I believe that he, or them behind "he", have no fear of any anarchists. Now, if this were a person in the states, and he was outed out, then he may have reason to be concerned. I, myself, would travel cross-country to stick ONE alpaca sock in his mailbox, letting him know that I know, prior to passing the address along, thus probably not getting more socks in his mailbox--a dead fish comes to mind (and I don't mean sushi).

~Bruno~