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Title: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: traderman on February 19, 2015, 03:14:33 AM
A blackmarket for just about any kind of information working off the blockchain. Interesting stuff.

http://www.btcfeed.net/news/darkleaks-will-open-pandoras-box-will-world-ever/


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: Guido on February 20, 2015, 12:32:22 AM
dunno

Amir taaki behind I think and darkwallet
very talented, intelligent bloke imo
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/17005/bitcoin-technology-worth-nothing-interview-dark-wallet-front-man-amir-taaki/



Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: slaveforanunnak1 on February 20, 2015, 12:34:16 AM
that dude is fucking brilliant.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: traderman on February 20, 2015, 12:35:51 AM
If this thing works as planned, I can imagine the type of crap that will start to surface. Can you imagine how many people are keeping theirs mouths shut for fear of prosecution.

that dude is fucking brilliant.



Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: slaveforanunnak1 on February 20, 2015, 12:38:33 AM
If this thing works as planned, I can imagine the type of crap that will start to surface. Can you imagine how many people are keeping theirs mouths shut for fear of prosecution.

that dude is fucking brilliant.


Release The Kraken


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: CtrlAltBernanke420 on February 20, 2015, 01:16:15 AM
What he says is very interesting… So how do we turn this into a reality if for thousands of years the system has been designed to weed out 'parasites' like him and to takeover bitcoin so its not a threat to the establishment….

If bitcoin transactions  really cost about $30. And scalability is being viewed and dealt with from the wrong perspective then, how do we be apart of what fixes these problems… I don't want to see bitcoin get ruined, and I find it very hard for another coin to gain trust if bitcoin gets infiltrated..


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: Guido on February 20, 2015, 01:22:47 AM
brilliant interview with Amir Taaki
http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/10/kr661-keiser-report-spaghettios-of-terror/

second half


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: BCwinning on February 20, 2015, 01:34:31 AM
dunno

Amir taaki behind I think and darkwallet
very talented, intelligent bloke imo
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/17005/bitcoin-technology-worth-nothing-interview-dark-wallet-front-man-amir-taaki/


excellent read


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: bitwarrior on February 20, 2015, 01:37:34 AM
Yep, darkleak will release a Pandora's Box alright. Let us see how this project will go. Would there be a  lot of buyers and will there be a lot of interesting stuffs that will be released online?


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: inBitweTrust on February 20, 2015, 01:41:07 AM
I respect and continue to support most of his projects but this statement doesn't make much sense in the context of decentralization:

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This doesn’t need to be a problem, in particular for the functionality of Bitcoin as an instrument to settle debts. The way banks work today is not that every transaction done between two parties is sent directly from one bank account to the other. Instead, they add up all transactions between the different banks, and settle the debts at the end of the day.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/17005/bitcoin-technology-worth-nothing-interview-dark-wallet-front-man-amir-taaki/


I  hold some of the same concerns he has, but the way to accomplish this is not to replace Visa / Mastercard where Bitcoin is another backbone settlement processor between centralized off the chain banks....

We don't have to adopt an overly simplistic approach either and just repeatedly scale up the block size from 1MB to 200MB. 7TPS isn't what we have right now but 2-7TPS realistically and that will not be sufficient even if we are processing most transactions on sidechains. We need to increase the blocksize regardless , perhaps more conservatively than what is initially being proposed however.

Darkleaks is an amazing idea BTW...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530093.100-darkleaks-lets-anyone-sell-secrets-for-bitcoin.html

This is the type of material that will make Wikileaks look conservative.

bravo.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: CtrlAltBernanke420 on February 20, 2015, 04:57:43 AM
I respect and continue to support most of his projects but this statement doesn't make much sense in the context of decentralization:

Quote
This doesn’t need to be a problem, in particular for the functionality of Bitcoin as an instrument to settle debts. The way banks work today is not that every transaction done between two parties is sent directly from one bank account to the other. Instead, they add up all transactions between the different banks, and settle the debts at the end of the day.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/17005/bitcoin-technology-worth-nothing-interview-dark-wallet-front-man-amir-taaki/


I  hold some of the same concerns he has, but the way to accomplish this is not to replace Visa / Mastercard where Bitcoin is another backbone settlement processor between centralized off the chain banks....

We don't have to adopt an overly simplistic approach either and just repeatedly scale up the block size from 1MB to 200MB. 7TPS isn't what we have right now but 2-7TPS realistically and that will not be sufficient even if we are processing most transactions on sidechains. We need to increase the blocksize regardless , perhaps more conservatively than what is initially being proposed however.

Darkleaks is an amazing idea BTW...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530093.100-darkleaks-lets-anyone-sell-secrets-for-bitcoin.html

This is the type of material that will make Wikileaks look conservative.

bravo.

@ $30/transaction bitcoin will never work long term...


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: inBitweTrust on February 20, 2015, 05:14:58 AM
@ $30/transaction bitcoin will never work long term...

Agreed.
Most people don't care about security and privacy and will not pay that much when there are other options available. There are already a couple alts that have some aspects better than btc for privacy and with advanced forms of TaPoS/PoS they can be designed secure enough , bitcoin will not compete with these alts if it raises TX fees that high and stays at 2-7TPS.

Bitcoin needs to stay innovative and compete and no one is suggesting we need to sacrifice our core values to make that happen.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: AGD on February 20, 2015, 05:47:28 AM
There will be running a lot of scams and lies on Darkleaks.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: CtrlAltBernanke420 on February 20, 2015, 07:21:59 PM
There will be running a lot of scams and lies on Darkleaks.

im not saying were not in the early days of this thing… But when Microsoft accepts bitcoin, you know for the most part are not scamming you… the rest is basically what you know to do with code. Simply "blogging" is a form of code we know in our lives. How to use a computer is beginner code.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: cheekychap on February 20, 2015, 08:01:15 PM
There will be running a lot of scams and lies on Darkleaks.

I think it had something to verify everything. But I am sure, that part will be sorted out, as it would be the biggest concern.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: neoneros on February 20, 2015, 08:04:58 PM
There will be running a lot of scams and lies on Darkleaks.

I think it had something to verify everything. But I am sure, that part will be sorted out, as it would be the biggest concern.

But will the general public care enough? wikilieaks, snowden, it stumped, now darkleaks might be promissing, but the general public only want's to have their bread and games, entertained and no worries. It would be a great thing if it would spread to the more passive public. Not the ye-sayers that also adopted bitcoin and other world revealing tech.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: koelen3 on February 20, 2015, 08:18:54 PM
Though people might say bad of the site  but i find it interesting
It got HD hollywood movies man!


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: albert11 on February 20, 2015, 08:53:36 PM
dunno

Amir taaki behind I think and darkwallet
very talented, intelligent bloke imo
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/17005/bitcoin-technology-worth-nothing-interview-dark-wallet-front-man-amir-taaki/



"""Is Bitcoin being corrupted right now?

In some ways, yes. The Bitcoin Foundation is trying to establish itself as a central point of Bitcoin through which it can fund and steer development, while at the same time working together with the state and Wall Street. What’s going to happen, is that governments will use the Foundation to pressure Bitcoin development in certain directions."""



I saw it coming, people need to be careful about this bitcoin foundation, who decided to create it in the first place? why this need to always create a central governance? as time goes by i can clearly see where this is heading and it's bad news..they will try and create problems that bitcoin doesn't have and use this foundation to solve these problem

we better move on to another cypto now, the freecoin :) no foundation, no roundtable,no regulated exchange,no wallstreet nothing just math and decentalization


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: RodeoX on February 20, 2015, 09:01:49 PM


"""Is Bitcoin being corrupted right now?

In some ways, yes. The Bitcoin Foundation is trying to establish itself as a central point of Bitcoin through which it can fund and steer development, while at the same time working together with the state and Wall Street....

Just curious. Where did you hear that?
Bitcoin is open source and decentralized. You could also make a foundation. The more the better. But I have never heard anything like that at BF and the people there are venomously anti-centralization.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: traderman on February 20, 2015, 09:08:31 PM
I am in full agreement, the Bitcoin Foundation needs to go big time. http://www.btcfeed.net/news/bitcoin-foundation-must-dismantled/

dunno

Amir taaki behind I think and darkwallet
very talented, intelligent bloke imo
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/17005/bitcoin-technology-worth-nothing-interview-dark-wallet-front-man-amir-taaki/



"""Is Bitcoin being corrupted right now?

In some ways, yes. The Bitcoin Foundation is trying to establish itself as a central point of Bitcoin through which it can fund and steer development, while at the same time working together with the state and Wall Street. What’s going to happen, is that governments will use the Foundation to pressure Bitcoin development in certain directions."""



I saw it coming, people need to be careful about this bitcoin foundation, who decided to create it in the first place? why this need to always create a central governance? as time goes by i can clearly see where this is heading and it's bad news..they will try and create problems that bitcoin doesn't have and use this foundation to solve these problem

we better move on to another cypto now, the freecoin :) no foundation, no roundtable,no regulated exchange,no wallstreet nothing just math and decentalization


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: pedrog on February 20, 2015, 09:12:00 PM
Why is this a good thing?

From the article:

Quote
Edward Snowden and Julian Assange would be free men today.

Why would they be free man?

Edward Snowden would be a sell out traitor instead of a whistleblower and Assange whould not have fucked that chick?

Quote
The other side of the coin, is of course the almost limitless amount of illicit material which will find plenty of buyers. How would you like to buy some nuclear weapon launch codes for Bitcoin

How about people ISIS buying these type of information...


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: traderman on February 20, 2015, 09:16:17 PM
Do you believe everything you hear on TV?

Why is this a good thing?

From the article:

Quote
Edward Snowden and Julian Assange would be free men today.

Why would they be free man?

Edward Snowden would be a sell out traitor instead of a whistleblower and Assange whould not have fucked that chick?

Quote
The other side of the coin, is of course the almost limitless amount of illicit material which will find plenty of buyers. How would you like to buy some nuclear weapon launch codes for Bitcoin

How about people ISIS buying these type of information...


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: arvindr on February 20, 2015, 09:17:24 PM

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The other side of the coin, is of course the almost limitless amount of illicit material which will find plenty of buyers. How would you like to buy some nuclear weapon launch codes for Bitcoin

How about people ISIS buying these type of information...

I think organizations like those, who would benefit from exposing stuff would obviously be the people buying it.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: pedrog on February 20, 2015, 09:19:15 PM
Do you believe everything you hear on TV?

Why is this a good thing?

From the article:

Quote
Edward Snowden and Julian Assange would be free men today.

Why would they be free man?

Edward Snowden would be a sell out traitor instead of a whistleblower and Assange whould not have fucked that chick?

Quote
The other side of the coin, is of course the almost limitless amount of illicit material which will find plenty of buyers. How would you like to buy some nuclear weapon launch codes for Bitcoin

How about people ISIS buying these type of information...

What does that has to do with anything?


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: traderman on February 20, 2015, 09:51:21 PM
Explain to us how Edward Snowden would be a traitor?

Do you believe everything you hear on TV?

Why is this a good thing?

From the article:

Quote
Edward Snowden and Julian Assange would be free men today.

Why would they be free man?

Edward Snowden would be a sell out traitor instead of a whistleblower and Assange whould not have fucked that chick?

Quote
The other side of the coin, is of course the almost limitless amount of illicit material which will find plenty of buyers. How would you like to buy some nuclear weapon launch codes for Bitcoin

How about people ISIS buying these type of information...

What does that has to do with anything?


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: pedrog on February 20, 2015, 10:23:02 PM
Explain to us how Edward Snowden would be a traitor?


From the article:

“When you’re selling information you’re not really a whistleblower under the legislative legal definition in almost any country”

Selling state secrets and/or intelligence is considered treason pretty much everywhere, plus if you watch Snowden's interviews he talks about this, it was not about money or fame, it was public service.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: slaveforanunnak1 on February 20, 2015, 11:26:22 PM
Explain to us how Edward Snowden would be a traitor?


From the article:

“When you’re selling information you’re not really a whistleblower under the legislative legal definition in almost any country”

Selling state secrets and/or intelligence is considered treason pretty much everywhere, plus if you watch Snowden's interviews he talks about this, it was not about money or fame, it was public service.

you should be able to just post documents with no monetary prize.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: traderman on February 20, 2015, 11:50:49 PM
The bureaucrats can come up with all kinds of crazy definitions, what matters is the truth. If it has to be sold, so be it. Maybe honest people can sell info for very small amounts just to facilitate the exchange.

Explain to us how Edward Snowden would be a traitor?


From the article:

“When you’re selling information you’re not really a whistleblower under the legislative legal definition in almost any country”

Selling state secrets and/or intelligence is considered treason pretty much everywhere, plus if you watch Snowden's interviews he talks about this, it was not about money or fame, it was public service.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: pedrog on February 20, 2015, 11:58:33 PM
The bureaucrats can come up with all kinds of crazy definitions, what matters is the truth. If it has to be sold, so be it. Maybe honest people can sell info for very small amounts just to facilitate the exchange.

Explain to us how Edward Snowden would be a traitor?


From the article:

“When you’re selling information you’re not really a whistleblower under the legislative legal definition in almost any country”

Selling state secrets and/or intelligence is considered treason pretty much everywhere, plus if you watch Snowden's interviews he talks about this, it was not about money or fame, it was public service.

You don't think that a citizen selling his country's secrets to the highest bidder should not be considered a traitor?


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: moriartybitcoin on February 21, 2015, 02:08:56 AM
DarkLeaks is a FANTASTIC IDEA .. beautiful application of the blockchain. Thumbs up to the devs!


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: neoneros on February 23, 2015, 02:11:17 PM
DarkLeaks is a FANTASTIC IDEA .. beautiful application of the blockchain. Thumbs up to the devs!

What is so fantastic about it? Disclosing information for money sounds like extortion to me. Like stated above, the difference between being a whistle blower and a sell out is the fact you share the information for the money or out of esthetics.

On the other hand it would secure the whistleblower financialy, giving some backup to compensate for the whistleblowing and losing a lot of personal freedom.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: traderman on February 23, 2015, 02:20:35 PM
In my opinion, the fact that whistleblowers will be immune and free to share information that is vital to the well being of the general public, far outweighs the potential consequences any possible misuse of such a system.

DarkLeaks is a FANTASTIC IDEA .. beautiful application of the blockchain. Thumbs up to the devs!

What is so fantastic about it? Disclosing information for money sounds like extortion to me. Like stated above, the difference between being a whistle blower and a sell out is the fact you share the information for the money or out of esthetics.

On the other hand it would secure the whistleblower financialy, giving some backup to compensate for the whistleblowing and losing a lot of personal freedom.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: neoneros on February 24, 2015, 08:56:40 AM
In my opinion, the fact that whistleblowers will be immune and free to share information that is vital to the well being of the general public, far outweighs the potential consequences any possible misuse of such a system.

DarkLeaks is a FANTASTIC IDEA .. beautiful application of the blockchain. Thumbs up to the devs!

What is so fantastic about it? Disclosing information for money sounds like extortion to me. Like stated above, the difference between being a whistle blower and a sell out is the fact you share the information for the money or out of esthetics.

On the other hand it would secure the whistleblower financialy, giving some backup to compensate for the whistleblowing and losing a lot of personal freedom.

The immunity and freedom to share information is guaranteed on other platforms as well, as is the backcheck of the information if the information is truly worth it.
With darknet information gets a value before it is checked and the chance you end up with trash is very high. The psychology is in work that when you pay a fair amount for your data(movie, book, drugs or whatever) you have a good product at hand, so people will be lured by a fake trust and pay the money only to be backstabbed.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: Twipple on February 24, 2015, 08:59:23 AM
DarkLeaks is a FANTASTIC IDEA .. beautiful application of the blockchain. Thumbs up to the devs!

What is so fantastic about it? Disclosing information for money sounds like extortion to me. Like stated above, the difference between being a whistle blower and a sell out is the fact you share the information for the money or out of esthetics.

On the other hand it would secure the whistleblower financialy, giving some backup to compensate for the whistleblowing and losing a lot of personal freedom.
Its good in some aspects and not in the other. I think verifying the information would be the biggest problem about it.


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: nikona on February 24, 2015, 12:38:15 PM
that dude is fucking brilliant.


Lets atleast hope it gets released soon. I got all excited when I saw the pic of Iron Man 3 loading on the page.

Yes mate...it got me excited as well...Cant wait for it to release.! :D


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: traderman on February 24, 2015, 10:02:51 PM
Same here, can't wait to see if any legitimate whistleblowers come out.

that dude is fucking brilliant.


Lets atleast hope it gets released soon. I got all excited when I saw the pic of Iron Man 3 loading on the page.

Yes mate...it got me excited as well...Cant wait for it to release.! :D


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: Bisha on May 30, 2015, 10:51:54 PM
Any updates on this?


Title: Re: Darkleaks Will Open Pandora’s Box, Will The World Ever Be The Same?
Post by: cellard on May 30, 2015, 11:15:57 PM
brilliant interview with Amir Taaki
http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/10/kr661-keiser-report-spaghettios-of-terror/

second half
How do you know Amir Taaki is making this Darkleaks thing?
Also is darkwallet still in development? Will it make Bitcoin usage totally anonymous? I remember reading about how it would still not be fully anonymous, at least not as anonymous as Monero.