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I have lost about 1 BTC in betting sites, is there anyway to beat these dice sites? You can post your opinion below or can send me a pm if you would like to share a secret exploit, glitch or method.

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After starting this topic, i went on and lost some BTC, so finally calling it quits to betting, below is a summary of my betting journey.

My betting journey:

Sports bet:
Directbet, betvip, cloudbet, nitrogen sports

Start bank roll: 3 BTC
Maximum profit in hand: 8 BTC, only to loose it all away later with bad selections.

Roulette, dice, slots, graph games, poker etc... :
Moneypot, primedice, bitcoinvideocasino, 999 etc...

Start bank: 1.5 BTC
Maximum profit in hand: 3.6 BTC, lost it all away

Total lost in betting 4.5 BTC

Calling it quits forever to betting.

 if there is an exploit or bug, people tend to use it themselves as more people using it will only cause the owner to notice the exploit
to beat a dice sites, luck is needed, so i suggest to play in a low house edge sites
mind sharing the site where you lose the 1 BTC?

I lost about 2.(something) but there is no way to beat dice dice always win you can stop playing thats the only way to beat .

Nope. Be careful with dealing with anyone claiming otherwise. Those "exploit" scripts that have been posted here and deleted in the past were nothing more then a couple lines of code to steal your balance when used at dice sites.

i dont like dice sites, in fact if you like to gamble, feel free to check out sportsbook, it is more thrilling and also better chance to win rather than dice

There are 2 ways I know of:
1. Give it a try and bet big. If you win just take it all and never come back.
2. Martingale it until you win a bit then see the bold part above.
3. Play with their money! Wait for a giveaway like the ones by PrimeDice (recently it was 0.03BTC, maybe they'll do another one next week).

the more you play the more you lose, better play less with big bets and get your money back and leave gambling, this is maths,you never can break maths rules

u always lose with gambling. only very few people win any substantial amount gambling

Just don't start and you will never lose or get addicted and bet your house.

Most sites with a progressive jackpot don't decrease the chance of winning relative to the size of the jackpot, so at a certain threshold they become +EV. There's at least one dice site I'm aware of with a periodically abusable jackpot.

There is absolutely no way to beat the dice or any gambling site as in the long term house always win. Best way of not loosing money is as some one mentioned above don't play and don't loose.

When I used to use PrimeDice, I would always call quits when I made a profit. No matter how small.
I never seemed to make a loss. I ended up quitting however. Always gamble with your extra earnings and not with your bread money.

bad thing, i rather withdraw my earning no matter how small it is, and come back tomorrow to win a small amount again

That is what I said. Never mind. Just my word of advice, try to lessen gambling in your life. It is not a healthy addiction.

I already got a PM selling an exploit for 0.5 BTC.

This is one of my fav sites, i won 3.7 BTC from 0.25 BTC in 3 days, then just to loose it all away and additional 1 BTC from my pocket by chasing the losses, it is none other than moneypot.

Lots and lots of luck. :)

You can buy lucky charms and chants at my new opening shop for as little as 1BTC for 1% luck increase. Interested? ;D

Im play primedice currently up .3 but the battle I endured to get it was not worth it in long run as a investment. I simply play because I enjoy it and have fun playing. I go for the 9990x or 99x only and hope for the best. I have hit it over 5 times know but its very hard to get and can take hours of rolling. Best of luck just try to have fun.

Easy, just the odds to 98%, you will 98 out of 100 times. :D

or you will loose 50 out of 100 or 100 out of 100 dice is unpredictable you might loose or win every single time

and when you lose, make sure you come back and cry that it was rigged!!!  ;D

No. Most dice sites let you change the win chance, the higher the win chance the lower the potential profit. 98% is the highest, you won't win much but you won't lose much either.

Never.  ;D

What do you mean you wont lose much? At 98% if you bet 100 satoshis you would win 2 satoshis so if you bet 100 times and you win 98 of the times you would win 196 satoshis and lose 200

You would win 1 per roll on that, but I mean 98 out of 100 rolls will win. I usually max out when I lose or raise the bet enough to offset the lose. The win profit is so low you need a huge cushion to make it worth it.

So you martingale but at a different %. I dont see how that is any better

98% odds are pretty good.

They are no different than 50% odds, since each different % gives you different reward it really makes no difference.
So lets say you bet 100 sat at 98% and you lose then you would have to bet 10k to cover that and if you lose again 0.01 btc so then again i really dont see your point

Well if you have infinite bankroll you dont need the minimum amount you can bet to be low

Not when you compare them to the payout.

Bets on the dice sites are going to be -ev, because that's how they make money. You cannot combine independent -ev bets to be +ev, so there is no way to beat the sites.

Well ,yes . I meant, with an infinite bankroll, you will be able to have upto 50 streaks supported with it. Which should be enough for you to survive. Never seen more than 35 losses even in simulations done by friends.

98% means you will get more wins than losses. Your EV will still be negative.

If you have an infinite bankroll you don't need to bet.

That said, how much do you win if you win 35 in a row? how much do you lose if you lose 35 in a row? Both have the same chance of happening, that's why martingale is bad/dumb.

Martingale is not dumb, any strategy is dumb then

There is no need for an infinite backroll. Just 5629499.53421BTC is enough to cover 49 losses if you start with 1 satoshi.

Thats pretty decent then. Satoshi, can support around 47 then. he should already be winning :)

Any strategy on these dice sites is dumb, at least math wise. they all have a negative expected value. Martingale is a great way to win a little or lose a lot. You will have a bunch of small wins, but the one time it doesn't work it will wipe out all of those wins and then some.

Know going into these sites that there is no way to win, if you want to take the risk, take the risk, it's your money, but martingale is not a smart thing to do, because when it fucks you over, it will fuck you over hard.

In order to make even 1% profit, satoshi will have to make billions of rolls, in which case the chance of so happening will multiply exponentially.

Guess what? It is the same odds as betting everything in a single bet for the expected win (in a place with no max limit)  ;)
So why waste the time?

With a 1 satoshi bet, wins will be 35 satoshis :)

and losses will be 2^34*0.00000001 (is this right?) = 171.79869184BTC
and if you win the 36th bet, you profit 1 satoshi :D

Yeah, it sure is dumb. Unfortunately, I realized that only after I lost quite a good amount.

Just trying to stop the next you. I got lucky and the first time I heard of martingale was in stats class, where you learn that it's dumb the same day you learn about it.

There is no way except for being lucky by which you can defeat the house. Its just your luckiness that makes you win. No trick, strategy works in gambling. Just have control and gamble with what you can loose

Try just a simple martingale starting at a base bet like 10 satoshi at 2x payout. If you lose 4 times in a row, increase the payout to 10x and calculate your bets to break even until you win.

10 satoshi @ 2x lose
20 satoshi @ 2x lose
40 satoshi @ 2x lose
80 satoshi @ 2x lose

you lost 150 satoshi and by increasing the payout to 10x the sequence of bet would be:

15 satoshi @ 10x

If you lose this bet then

17 satoshi @ 10x

and continue to you win.

No guarantee, just works for a while before bust.

Martingale never works in the long run. But if you want like 300 satoshi thenI guess it's okay.

Yes, you are right, there is no way to beat these dice sites, just come out of the game when up 10% of bank roll, which happens quite sometimes and then quit  ;D

Yes, there is a way.

The dice site should not have any max bet limit
and
Your bankroll should be higher than the site's.  ;D

That is if I play at this site: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965615.0 when it had 0.047BTC bankroll, I could have easily beat the house. ;)

The first 4 bets are martingale, the next bets are made to break even and lower the bet.

Again bet in primedice, total lost in primedice in last 3 days 0.3 BTC, calling it quits to betting, there are great things to do than this. Fullstop to betting.


My betting journey:

Sports bet:
Directbet, betvip, cloudbet, nitrogen sports

Start bank roll: 3 BTC
Maximum profit in hand: 8 BTC, only to loose it all away later with bad selections.

Roulette, dice, slots, graph games, poker etc... :
Moneypot, primedice, bitcoinvideocasino, 999 etc...

Start bank: 1.5 BTC
Maximum profit in hand: 3.6 BTC, lost it all away

Total lost in betting 4.5 BTC

Calling it quits forever to betting.

well,theres no exact method to win in dice games, because all matters of luck..

only if you have profit just leave or cash out so you will have some money to spare,

dont play with your ego it will always end bad.

It is easier said than done, so i am going to stay away from betting forever.

So you're gambling and lost and are surprised?  Have you never gambled before?  Gambling always favors the house.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odds

There is no exact way, but there are ways to increase your chances, martingale is a loss waiting to happen, but it will get u where you need to go if you have large amount
and seek a portion more.
I use something similar, and it has got me far, but my goal was rather low in comparison to most of you greedy ones  ::)

example

base bet 1000 satoshi on 50% , ignore wins, when loss happens , start counting it, every win removes one loss, every additional loss increases loss pot.
when u get to 4000 loss(4 base bets), increase stake x4, and do the same as before if you loose, but if you win,return to base bet of 1000 sat.

one might say that usual martingale is better/simpler, but i find this particular scheme much better.

cheers

You just think that those technique work.
But they all are a failure. Except reverse labourCher technique. That promises you that you wont lose more than the amount that you have decided to loose in the starting. Although in that too winning is dependent on luck. But that's the technique which is most promising and delivers what it says

Gambling is always a event with negative expected value, so IMO you should only gamble for fun but not expecting to beat the sites. There are all kinds of strategies, but none will change negative EV nature of the game.

I am sorry for your lost.
But you have to know gambling means you may win or lost.

well if we hack it also theres a chance for getting ban..
but is there even someone who can crack sha 256? its the most safe for now..but in the future maybe..

You can beat the sites if you have enough bankroll.
We can see the case of U:hufflepuff on primedice. He made a huge profit and has almost beaten the bank.

Stop playing
thats the way to beat dice site :D

agree to this, you need to have atleast 50% of the bankroll size so you can have an eye to eye match up with the house :)

im not saying it will work forever, im just saying that so far iwe been successful with it, ots all going to fail ultimatively, but atlest it doesnt get my stake too high too fast, offering me extended leverage.
its all a game, and loosing is fine with me, i dont gamble what i cant afford to loose, so its fun for me.

cheers

When people gamble for fun its always fine for them no matter whatever technique they use, they always have fun. But for the ones who play with huge money, they have to be just lucky, no technique works for them.

If you succeed to find anyway to beat the gambling sites then share your strategy with us. We all will play together and win big and let them without cash.

The only thing I have learned to beat the dice sites is, stop playing there and just have your BTCs stay safe with you in your wallet only... ;)

that is beating the dice site in some point, its like if everyone stop gambling then gambling sites will become dead :D

you could have bought a blackjack script and put it on a domain, make people play, increase the house leverage and win double what you have lost in gambling.

your solution : be the game and win over others..

http://satoshibox.com/54eece414c347b12c500834d

Also one more thing.
You cannot beat dice sites but you can certainly beat players in poker. Just sit in an online poker room, call your friend on that table(make sure you have different IPs) and then discuss your cards and you will have an upper hand in the game.

and what if he lost when he is the game?do you know there is also a risk to lose even if you own a gambling sites? PD lost 4200 bitcoin to hupplepuff  ??? ???

From what I have heard, hufflepuff has managed to win only 2000 bitcoin, or did I get it wrong?

thats because its a big game house and they dont have limits
what if you put the limit so that you happen to control it
and increasing the house advantage. its more appropriate to handle an online casino that betting.
ever heard a casino got busted?
never, the house always wins. you just have to know how to make yourself a winner rather than a loser....

you cannot beat dice sites yes thats right but one can win at dice sites. and yes you can beat other players that's a very good point. guys think about it. but not by cheating

You need to be unbelievably lucky, but it happens. Pretty sure this guy can brag about beating the system all he wants ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ-_kPxgkR0

The odds are against you, you can minimize your chance of losing by having a good staking strategy, but if you play enough you will lose.
A quick in and out is the only way to win, hope that luck favours you, then get out with your winnings, it sounds easier than it is!

yes agreed, but good strat or not, in the end the gambler always play again, thats what makes the casino always win.
the temptation of playing is always bigger than that of taking a retreat from casinos.
ive been playing roulette since i was 21, 8 years later, ive won some but lost more.
you might say i had a wrong strategy but not.
from 2k to 90k in a month. i played only red or black, odd or even.
i played 1k per game. 1k on red or black. i used to sit in casinos for hours but played only 2 or 3 times my maximum 1k bet.

having 90k in a month made me greedy some days and lost approx 130k in 4days.
thats casinos.

the best strategy is to be the casino, so you can win....

It sounds stupid because no one is gonna play to win 20$ and then leave and never play again

True... n thats how dice sites reel you in.. U somehow win in the beginning.. U feel as if u r a pro..n then the bad luck starts..n now u cant stop as you r chasing your losses.! :p

i don't think there are any ways to beat it, since dice sites have house edge :(
which one offer lowest house edge? play there and hope your luck is enough to make some win
and don't forget to set a target amount of profit of victory, if you reach that target, stop playing and enjoy your winning

yeah , don't play with dice site seriously, you will lose at the end, who claim otherwise, just had a small time of luck

The only way to beat them would be to hack them ;)
Else, you can't really do much to beat a -EV system for long.

Seems like house bet doesnt really affect too much, not much difference between 49% or 50%

If you just play one bet, it is true that 1% difference won't be big.  Having a 49.5% chance to double your balance is pretty much the same as having a 50% chance.
But if you keep on playing, the difference adds up and you will likely end in the down side.

It is true that strategies like martingale and others are not any better on 50%

well, on 50 chance you may use the lowest % increased because you will get more balance recovery..

so on 50/50 is the best for martingale, also if you lucky pay out more than 2x is better...so who knows on dice thing?

anything can happen,we couldnt predict what next..

Martingale would fail even if you had 51% win chance

unless you cash out when ahead. always cash out when up limit your losses, and your wins!

It can happen that martingale never fails. In a provably fair game everything is possible. If its possible that martingale will fail then there is also a probability that it will never fail and you will keep on winning. Anything can happen and that's why they call it gambling.

But it doesnt, never heard anybody claiming that they won 100 btc with martingale

ofc, martingale isnt worth it for long run game , it will bust your bankroll sooner or later, the only thing you can do is withdraw your profit, if you keep martingaleing, you will lose it sooner or later ::) ::)

But i was talking to the other guy, he said you could never fail with martingale and i said ive never heard of anybody winning with martingale. Talking about big money not 0.1 btc. Everyone that talks about martingale say that they lost 2 btc with martingale or 5 or 10 but no one says he won 10 btc with that strategy

so you believe him without actual proof of his play history and withdrawal transaction?
and if i claim to won 100 btc then you will also believe me?  :-\ :-\

martingale win a lot?
i never heard this statement from some gamblers
do you have some proofs?
as i know martingale is risky strategy, and you need big capital to make this plan works

I've seen one won in bitdice, he went -100btc to +500btc but you know gamblers never stop gambling and he end up losing like i think around 500btc

Wich is my point, anyone that used martingale ended up loosing

you're still wrong coz all strategy will end up loosing if they won't stop gambling..

I never said that you can never fail with martingale. I just said that "maybe" you never fail will martingale. Although I know martingale is suicide, but as its gambling, who knows that maybe martingale will never fail for you. Its gambling, anything can happen. Martingale failure not occuring in millions of rolls is nearly impossible, but maybe your luck can make you win with martingale too. More the more the profit and anything can happen in gambling.
And 100BTC with martingale is not a difficult task. Have you met every bitcoin gambler yet?

Have you met one that won 100 btc with martingale yet?

It's a lot easier to get a small win with martingale than other strategies.

It's also a lot easier to get a HUGE loss with martingale with other strategies, and that's the problem.

If your base bet is 1 btc, it takes 100 successful martingale rounds to win 100 btc, but only one 7 bet losing streak to lose 100 btc.

does that seem like a smart thing to do?

Well yes, I don't remember his name but there was one who won more than 100BTC on primedice 2 with martingale. There will be many more who would have won it. They were just lucky to win it with a trick such as martingale.

Proofs or it didnt happen

I remember somebody from JD that won a large sum doing martingale. He would win 30 BTC everyday starting from 0.25 BTC and obviously doubling on loss. He did this for weeks, didn't bust once if I can remember correctly.

either he is pretty lucky or he know the server seed which enable him to see the "future" rolls, martingale isnt profittable in a long run  ::) ::)