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Hey guys it has come to my attention that people who are selling gift codes are making false claims saying they are not obtained via carding. Many users who purchase these from shops always have that question in mind if they are obtained legally or illegally. Because the shop owner is running a service they will falsify and lie to their clients saying they are obtained legally without providing any proof whatsoever.

I am here to just let you guys know how they are obtained. I am not claiming any one of the sellers as scammers but due to the fact people are offering 10%+ off has lead also scammers to make fake shops to scam people as come on at least 25% off is a very good deal and people would fall for it. That is just on a scammers point but there are people who do professional carding and card gifts cards > Sell to users via Bitcoins > profit. Those people run a legit service but they will say they are obtained legally which they are not.

Gift Cards known to be used and carded and sold to people:

• Amazon - For their reputation it is pretty sad to see how Amazon gift cards are easily carded.
• Best Buy - They have some anti fraud measures but a professional is still able to do it.
• Starbucks - Have the worst security ever!

Why the seller does not care:
Once they card the codes they will work as fast as they can to sell them as in 40% of all cases on Amazon cards they will be revoked within 24 hours of it being carded if caught.
They are not using the codes themselves so its not a worry to them.

Possible risk to buyers:

• Although this will not happen there are still people who have their orders canceled or are asked to return the item. Failure to comply will result in contact of your local authorities (All you have to do is say you don't know how it was obtained and that you just bought it).
• Termination of your account and blacklisted - This rarely happens but if you are...trust me its going to suck big time
• Being lied straight to the face - As I mentioned you as a buyer would be asking if they are obtained legally and they would just lie and tell you no so they can make sales.

Common Sense:

• Anybody who is selling something for 25%-70%+ off is pretty damn obvious they are obtaining this from a method not legal. Even if they are not carding it themselves there can be many factors like buying from a supplier who cards or using exploits to buy it cheap (This happens more than you think). Hence its still obtained illegally or in a shady method.
• Every purchase you make goes to them funding into more Credit Cards which can be obtained for about $2-$5 each allowing them to card more. Thus, creating a endless cycle of promoting carding.
• If you noticed they will soften things up and try to ignore obvious questions and or if you ask a question that can shut down their service they would just reply to you with a "Send me a PM" instead of posting a reply to the public in case they mess up.

Educational Purpose: How they are able to Card the said Gift Cards

Keep in mind I am only posting this as some people don't know how it works so I am posting the method on how the cycle works.

1). The seller purchases or obtain a hacked credit card from many sources.
2). Based on the card holders details the seller would obtain a Sock5 Proxy i the same location(City) as the card holder.
3). The seller then uses the card holders information to purchase the gift codes via email so they can sell or redeem (If does not work they will skip the Hacked CC and try a new one)
4). Once sold to a users on BitcoinTalk they now have enough money to Buy new cards and Sock5 Proxies allowing them to rinse and repeat the cycle.

I just thought I give people a few heads up regarding things like this as I am pretty sure this site doesn't allow blackhat or illegal means of obtaining these but I don't know about that. Otherwise I thought people should know.

Please MasterCarder I have some humble questions for you ...I will refer onto the Educational Purpose: How they are able to Card the said Gift Cards as it is the most interesting and I bet many people would like know more stuff about it....

Here is your "tutorial" :

1). The seller purchases or obtain a hacked credit card from many sources.

We all have coins and heard about SilkRoad and Evolution so that shouldn't be too hard .

2)Based on the card holders details the seller would obtain a Sock5 Proxy i the same location(City) as the card holder.

Probably some good security doesn't heart anyone.Cool

3)The seller then uses the card holders information to purchase the gift codes via email so they can sell or redeem (If does not work they will skip the Hacked CC and try a new one)

Please tell us MasterCarder, how does a carder manages to use the SAME AMAZON ACCOUNT every time without being closed ? If he is adding so many CARDED GIFT CARDS to the SAME AMAZON account than how come Amazon DOES NOTHING to his account ?

If I prove that I am using the SAME AMAZON ACCOUNT for all orders (and I will be using it for a lot more than a year), what will you say ? That Amazon is retarded and allows people to use stolen credit cards on the SAME ACCOUNT until the end of time ??


People wake up, and stick to what you know...and you my friend learned carding from Google, you have no idea what you're talking about...Amazon blocks your account even when using your OWN CREDIT CARD sometimes...they are called FRAUD FILTERS, and Amazon pays VERY WELL an army of fraud specialists to ensure that  they DON'T GET SCREWED . Because if they didn't have a FRAUD DEPARTMENT , they would be "out of business" .
It is impossible to use the SAME AMAZON account if you plan on doing "funny business"on Amazon.... Amazon will suspend your account in a flash and how will you explain all those chargebacks to get your Amazon account re-instated ??

Please tell us CARDERMASTER....you'll have 20 chargebacks on your account, how will you explain those 20 chargebacks to Amazon ?? How will you convince Amazon to re-open your account, let you use the SAME ACCOUNT and keep on carding until you die ?  Please tell us CARDERMASTER...

Your method is science fiction...If you're into that I can recommend you some nice movies

4). Once sold to a users on BitcoinTalk they now have enough money to Buy new cards and Sock5 Proxies allowing them to rinse and repeat the cycle.

The Bitcointalk users you talk so much about have repeat orders themselves...Repeat orders means that they order again from Amazon....and if what you say it's true that shouldn't work, because their delivery address is already blacklisted by Amazon from the previous chargeback... See ? another dead end to your nice googled tutorial...

None of my customers had any problems and I am ready to give the login of my Amazon account to a Moderator here so he can confirm that all my orders are made from the SAME AMAZON ACCOUNT and NOT RANDOM AMAZON ACCOUNTS like you suggested!!!
Any Mods willing to check that out ?



Another chapter of your " Google search carding tutorial" that I want to approach is this one...

Here is what you wrote :

Common Sense:

    Anybody who is selling something for 25%-70%+ off is pretty damn obvious they are obtaining this from a method not legal


Please surf these tho websites :

www.purse.io

www.brawker.com


Do you still think 25% OFF is impossible now ?? Please elaborate ...

Here are some press releases for you, so you see that the 2 companies I've listed above are indeed legitimate. One is based in San Francisco and the other  one in Australia

http://www.coindesk.com/purse-io-can-shave-25-bitcoin-buyers-amazon-bills/

http://www.coindesk.com/purse-io-closes-300k-funding-expand-amazon-discount-service/

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/14040/brawker-cyril-houri/


If you don't like my press releases, just Google the 2 companies....I know you like Google, you just wrote a nice tutorial....I will be waiting for your response since you've just opened a thread here....it's not fair to hit and run with an ALT username, we all know who you are...at least be a man and use your OLDER username you like so much....

amazon4u is 50% probability a carder or 50% he buys the gift cards from carders.

Yes. He got very offended. Overall His reply to this thread had a lot of things wrong.

lol ....look at all the ALT usernames roaming free in this thread...:) I am very surprised to see such a lack of manhood on Bitcointalk....you guys really like stealthy game play I guess...


His reply to this thread had a lot of things wrong.


Why don't you underline my "wrong things" in my reply and send me some arguments for a change ?! All the ALTS please unite !!!

Lol someone is mad =D

Have a cookie.

Thank you , I think I'll have one....If there isn't anything valuable for you to say in this conversation I think I'll leave now...Peace

Yes you can leave now.

Why are you so afraid to use your real username ? You think I will start throwing negative feedback at your nice looking OLD username you treasure so much ?? I'm sorry to disappoint you but I am not into that game.... I have been accused unfairly many times before on this forum but I am yet to return a negative feedback...see the "camolist" thread or the "tomato" thread ... I can tolerate any conversation as long as it is based on arguments...and NO, I will never throw trash in your "trusted feedback" just because I can....That's not who I am....

Thought you were leaving. See you like to lie a lot. My real username? No idea what you are talking about but ok.

Thought you were leaving. See you like to lie a lot

Yes, yes, you're right...all the people who don't agree with you are liars when actually...


My real username? No idea what you are talking about but ok.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qYMl9T9wQ

Liar, liar ...

um ok then =D

Lol don't know how you get so offended when I never said you were  a scammer but MKAy..you cant ready.

I was actually hoping for a new "tutorial" from you but it seems you've exhausted all "google searches" on your first trial

I wasn't offended ...didn't had time to....I took that flash cookie, remember ? I'll be heading out now ...

THIS IS WHY REFUND SERVICE IS BETTER, REFUND SERVICE IS JUST SOCIAL ENG.

Refund services/the use of social engineering is just as illegal (it just brakes different laws), and will likely cause the buyer to face similar consequences.

Not only that but you don't know that refund services are not using carded credit/gift cards to buy your order

I feel a lot of shady stuff is going on in this forum recently and it sickens me. Hacked accounts for file sharing sites or other services like netflix are one thing since it does not hurt the original owner as much but selling hacked accounts for things like dunkin donuts is just plain wrong. You are stealing someone's money (gift card balance) and selling it for someone else to use. Although social engineering is illegal I feel a little better about it since you are stealing from a million dollar company instead of the middle class. I have great experiences with amazon4u and the order was sent fine.

I don't think it's fair to label every single person selling discounted gift cards as blackhat. Many people receive these at gifts or through discounts (for their birthday, christmas, from their work, etc.) and are willing to sell at a discount because they don't plan on using it. I have personally sold gift cards at a discount because I value the freedom of cash over the purchasing power of the gift card.

I never said everyone is but you have to think about what you said.

People who receive gift codes as a gift and want to sell it...would only sell one. Not open a shop.

Oh, okay. I thought you were referring to all gift card sales in general. Yes, if someone has a shop they are most likely receiving through illegal means, whether that be through carding or exploiting a third party or whatever else may be the case.

Yup and as you can see someone got uber pissed lawl.

You are right.  It doesn't take a genius to figure out these guys selling $1000's or tens of $1000 worth of Starbucks cards at 30% of face value to figure out they are using stolen credit cards.  I have tried to warn people as well that they are involving themselves in credit card fraud, and that people go to jail for that.  Someone somewhere is paying the price for their cheap coffee...

the thing is amazon gift cards are a commodity. they can be put on craigslist and easily be sold for ~90% face value. even more on ebay. so why would one offer 25% off...

he does have a point though about him having used the same account on amazon for all these orders. going back how far? i'd like to see proof of this.

Amazon4u,  mods don't have time for that let a trusted escrow confirm the orders.

Starbucks and Amazon carded gift cards are being sold here almost daily and people are buying them indirectly supporting this fraud. It needs to be stopped to save the forum's reputation as many just come here to sell their illegitimate goods which does not give out a good name of this forum.

The forum rules clearly state that illegal goods are not allowed, yet the mods do nothing to stop these people.  And people aren't indirectly supporting fraud, they are DIRECTLY supporting it.  Plus if they couldn't get un-reversable (and anonymous) payments in BTC, they would have a much harder time peddling their stolen goods.  Stop buying from these scam artists.

I asked the mods few days back about selling these illegal goods and they said that there is no way for them to find that the gift card is stolen. When the sellers specify that the cards are going to expire, isn't that obvious to the members and mods?

I don't buy these cards in any case but am saddened by the amount of fraud going on here.

Yeah the mere fact they are expected to go bad and are replaced with no questions asked (and replaced for free) shows that they aren't legit.  Anyone with half a brain can see that.  And I think people have called starbucks and they were given the explanation that the cards were shut down "due to fraud."  That should be enough for the mods.